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I don't.

Spam and eggs
I don't care much for FFT
MMOs are the devil
Elvis is dead, ask his daughter
Everything will blend
Depends if he's a man or not
If you were gay, that'd be ok.. I mean cuz hey.. I'd like you anyway.

Explain this picture.

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Pyro

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NO U

NO U

I don't.

He's some *** up musician

It's likely some effect he's using

Well first off, let's just compare stats.

Bow: DMG71, Delay490, STR+3, AGI+3, R.ACC+2, R.Attack+23
Arrow: DMG38, Delay90, R.ACC+3

Gun: DMG42, Delay640, R.ACC+7, R.Attack+17
Bullet: DMG82, Delay240

Totals:
Bow: DMG109, Delay580, STR+3, AGI+3, R.ACC+5, R.Attack+23
Gun: DMG124, Delay880, R.ACC+7, R.Attack+17



In terms of pure DPS, Bow has 20.67 DPS, and Gun has only 15.5 DPS. That's ignoring all bonus stats.

Now we get to the reasons that makes Gun much, much better.

1.)Biggest thing is that it drops you down a hit for your x-hit build. From 5 hits to 4 for 100 TP. Do the mental math, that's a 25% increase to WS frequency. Your WSs will do more damage, more often with Gun and really isn't that what you want on any DD anyway?

2.)Gun has a closer ideal ranged attack range than Bow. What that means is that, when you inevitably take hate, and you come to melee range, you're closer to your ideal range with a gun than with bow. The further you get away from the ideal range, the less damage you do and the less accurate you are, so you want to be as close to that range as possible. Gun lets you be very close to that range even in melee range. The only time where greater distance is a plus is when you absolutely need to stay out of AoE range, and I doubt there are really any AoEs that have a limit of between 5.5' and 7.5'.

3.)fSTR is based on your weapon's DMG, and ignores your ammo. What that means is you need much less STR to cap your damage per hit with Gun. Leaving more room to add AGI, R.ACC, and most importantly, R.Attack. R.Attack is amazing with gun, no lie.

4.)Easier to be in range of BRD or COR buffs. Not necessarily a big thing but missing a Minuet hurts your damage nonetheless.

5.)Snapshot and Rapid Shot. Even though they both decrease delay (Either indirectly or directly), they affect Gun a lot more. I'll try to explain this as simply as possible.

Ranged attacks don't work the same way as melee attacks. You have an aim-and-shoot animation, a holster animation, and then the time where your ammo needs to reload.

The first animation is calculated by your weapon's delay. For Hellfire+1 and Silver Bullets, it's 5.8 seconds from initial Ranged Attack input, to when the bullet fires. With Vali's Bow and Kabura Arrows, it's only 4.5 seconds.

The second animation is a static 1.8 seconds, to holster your gun or bow.

Then the final section, your reload time, is based on the delay of your ammo. 2.1 seconds for Bullets, 1.1 seconds for arrows. (Technically would be .8 seconds but the lower cap for this section is 1.1).

So for gun, a full cycle of Aim+Shoot>>Holster>>Reload takes 5.8+1.8+2.1 seconds, or 9.7 seconds, while a full cycle for bow takes 4.5+1.8+1.1 7.4 seconds.

Okay, so 9.7 seconds for gun and 7.4 seconds for bow. Now let's add in our variables, Snapshot and Rapid Shot.

Assuming 35% Snapshot (10% in merits, 15% Velocity Shot, 5% Mirke body, 5% Anwig Salade) for both weapon types, and a base 10% proc rate on Rapid Shot. Both only affect the base weapon delay.

Gun's delay drops to 3.12 seconds, Bow's delay to 2.95 seconds.

3.1+1.8+2.1= 7 seconds for a gun cycle
3+1.8+1.1= 5.9 seconds for a bow cycle





Basically, what all of that means is, after applying Snapshot and Rapid Shot to your weapons, the delay difference barely matters at all, so you're more or less just basing it on weapon DMG and added stats. Just for kicks, I'll add up the total delay with Snapshot and Rapid Shot.

770 delay for a Gun cycle, 640 for a Bow cycle.
17.7 DPS with Gun, 18.7 DPS with Bow.

Then you apply the +25% increase to WS frequency to Gun, and all the stuff mentioned above, and well, long story short, gun comes out way ahead unless you need to stay out of range of something.

And that's not even taking into account the fact that Gun WSs do more damage, even with worse gear, than Bow.


Sorry for the really long post, I get too wrapped up in this stuff sometimes.

You need 47 STP for a 4 hit build...
sounds like a lot to me c.c

I thought ammo delay didn't add to how long it takes to shoot

You need 47 STP for a 4 hit build...
sounds like a lot to me c.c

Just show me a build that doesnt sacrifice my vulcans staff then :P