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Lakshmi.Flavin
Server: Lakshmi
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Posts: 18466
By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-05-13 13:25:13
Nik adopted the mennonite holiday known as tuesday and took off... ***...
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Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2014-05-13 13:40:57
Thanks, but we've got other, more diabolical , plans.
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Caitsith.Zahrah
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-05-13 13:42:12
I should hunker down in here...
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2014-05-13 14:10:37
I should hunker down in here...
I thought this was the plan...
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Forum Moderator
Server: Excalibur
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-05-13 14:12:34
Ok, question time.
You go to sleep one night, when you wake up you find yourself in the world of the creepiest baby-toddler show you can think of. Which show is it, what do you do?
Sid the Science Kid.
I'd off myself.
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2014-05-13 14:14:25
you built me up on that post, then completely let me down.
idk many creepy kid shows.
/shrug
Forum Moderator
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-05-13 14:15:43
My nephew watches that show, it creeps me out.
Lakshmi.Flavin
Server: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
Posts: 18466
By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-05-13 14:20:15
Ok, question time.
You go to sleep one night, when you wake up you find yourself in the world of the creepiest baby-toddler show you can think of. Which show is it, what do you do?
Sid the Science Kid.
I'd off myself. Go away.
Caitsith.Zahrah
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-05-13 14:35:27
Moving the conversation por los big kids...
Okay, so pulling excerpts from each of the studies from the PDFs would be a waste of time? Just tell me now.
Oxytocin levels, prenatally, and postpartum oxycontin and bonding don't transfer to individuals or effect their adulthood too.
/jazz hands Bring it on!
Giving it a glance now.
So, anyhow thoughts on synthetic reproduction and the sociological effects of a lack of mutual-symbiosis via oxytocin/bonding and transfer...
Can't find the PDF for this one...
Quote: . In one relevant paper, Fries et al. [15] studied the oxytocin levels of adopted children with backgrounds of early neglect. Subjects had resided, since early infancy, in orphanages for an average of 17 months and had been fostered for three years. Subjects had similar basal urine OT levels as controls, as assessed by averaging 12-h overnight urine collections for four separate mornings. However, in striking contrast to controls, the adopted children showed decisively less increase in oxytocin levels after physical contact with their caregivers. Since subjects had already resided in their foster homes for 3 years (range 10–48 months) at the time of testing, the authors concluded that the lack of early oxytocin-related maternal bonding had a long-range effect on these children, an effect apparently resistant to subsequent nurturing.
Excerpt from the first study...
Quote: This is the first study to examine the relationship between
plasma OT and reported maternal–fetal attachment. In contrast to our expectations, levels of reported bonding were not significantly correlated with OT levels in pregnancy, assessed earlier (first trimester) or concomitantly (third trimester). However, participants whose OT levels rose between early to late-mid pregnancy scored higher on prenatal bonding, compared to the other women. Thus, dynamically increasing levels of OT and not static, however large, levels of OT were associated with increased prenatal bonding. It can be noticed from the typology figures (Fig. 3) that the rising OT levels between Time-I and -II in Fig. 3 B and D both begin and end lower than the corresponding levels of Figure A which shows little or no change over the same time period. Even so, while these OT levels are lower in absolute terms, it is apparently the dynamic rise in levels between Time-I and -II which is important in creating the association between them and better prenatal bonding.
The meat of the second link is where it gets fun...
Quote: Results of this study demonstrate associations between the OT system and measures of bonding and psychological distress in adults who are not currently in romantic relationships. These data point to relationships between the functioning of the OT system and bonding-related cognitions, regardless of the individual’s present attachment status. As such, the links between OT and measures of both psychological distress and bonding to one’s own parents may suggest that one mechanism by which OT buffers stress and depression across the lifespan is through its association with the attachment system. The associations found here between OT and bonding are consistent with the few existing studies on the relations of OT with the parent–infant bond assessed both concurrently and retrospectively.
Meinlschmidt and Heim (2007) demonstrated that intranasal administration of oxytocin in adult men with early parental separation did not decrease the level of cortisol as compared to controls. Levine and colleagues (2007) found associations between an increase in maternal plasma oxytocin from the first to the third trimester of pregnancy and the mother’s bonding to her fetus, and Feldman et al. (2007) showed links between oxytocin across pregnancy and the postpartum with the mother’s bonding-related thoughts and behaviors toward her infant. The present findings may suggest that the adult’s representations of the experience of being cared for as a child, which are likely shaped in the first years of life, are related to the OT system in adulthood. Because the OT system functions as a feedback loop (Uvnas-Moberg, 1998), bonding-related representations and OT may function in a mutually influencing manner throughout development, with more positive representations of parental care related to increased oxytocin levels.However, due to the fact that our data are correlational, it is not possible to infer causality but only to demonstrate associations between OT levels and bonding-related representations.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
Posts: 20284
By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 14:44:51
Moving the conversation por los big kids...
Okay, so pulling excerpts from each of the studies from the PDFs would be a waste of time? Just tell me now.
Oxytocin levels, prenatally, and postpartum oxycontin and bonding don't transfer to individuals or effect their adulthood too.
/jazz hands Bring it on!
Giving it a glance now.
So, anyhow thoughts on synthetic reproduction and the sociological effects of a lack of mutual-symbiosis via oxytocin/bonding and transfer...
Can't find the PDF for this one...
Quote: . In one relevant paper, Fries et al. [15] studied the oxytocin levels of adopted children with backgrounds of early neglect. Subjects had resided, since early infancy, in orphanages for an average of 17 months and had been fostered for three years. Subjects had similar basal urine OT levels as controls, as assessed by averaging 12-h overnight urine collections for four separate mornings. However, in striking contrast to controls, the adopted children showed decisively less increase in oxytocin levels after physical contact with their caregivers. Since subjects had already resided in their foster homes for 3 years (range 10–48 months) at the time of testing, the authors concluded that the lack of early oxytocin-related maternal bonding had a long-range effect on these children, an effect apparently resistant to subsequent nurturing.
Excerpt from the first study...
Quote: This is the first study to examine the relationship between
plasma OT and reported maternal–fetal attachment. In contrast to our expectations, levels of reported bonding were not significantly correlated with OT levels in pregnancy, assessed earlier (first trimester) or concomitantly (third trimester). However, participants whose OT levels rose between early to late-mid pregnancy scored higher on prenatal bonding, compared to the other women. Thus, dynamically increasing levels of OT and not static, however large, levels of OT were associated with increased prenatal bonding. It can be noticed from the typology figures (Fig. 3) that the rising OT levels between Time-I and -II in Fig. 3 B and D both begin and end lower than the corresponding levels of Figure A which shows little or no change over the same time period. Even so, while these OT levels are lower in absolute terms, it is apparently the dynamic rise in levels between Time-I and -II which is important in creating the association between them and better prenatal bonding.
The meat of the second link is where it gets fun...
Quote: Results of this study demonstrate associations between the OT system and measures of bonding and psychological distress in adults who are not currently in romantic relationships. These data point to relationships between the functioning of the OT system and bonding-related cognitions, regardless of the individual’s present attachment status. As such, the links between OT and measures of both psychological distress and bonding to one’s own parents may suggest that one mechanism by which OT buffers stress and depression across the lifespan is through its association with the attachment system. The associations found here between OT and bonding are consistent with the few existing studies on the relations of OT with the parent–infant bond assessed both concurrently and retrospectively.
Meinlschmidt and Heim (2007) demonstrated that intranasal administration of oxytocin in adult men with early parental separation did not decrease the level of cortisol as compared to controls. Levine and colleagues (2007) found associations between an increase in maternal plasma oxytocin from the first to the third trimester of pregnancy and the mother’s bonding to her fetus, and Feldman et al. (2007) showed links between oxytocin across pregnancy and the postpartum with the mother’s bonding-related thoughts and behaviors toward her infant. The present findings may suggest that the adult’s representations of the experience of being cared for as a child, which are likely shaped in the first years of life, are related to the OT system in adulthood. Because the OT system functions as a feedback loop (Uvnas-Moberg, 1998), bonding-related representations and OT may function in a mutually influencing manner throughout development, with more positive representations of parental care related to increased oxytocin levels.However, due to the fact that our data are correlational, it is not possible to infer causality but only to demonstrate associations between OT levels and bonding-related representations. I think you can infer what happens what happens without bonding. Although it's hard to put in a statistical format or even a format that would be generally accepted. Since every cause you would point out would be counteracted by some kind of new social trend, rather than a root cause for behaviors. You'd also have to be careful not to imply causality on that end as well.
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Caitsith.Zahrah
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-05-13 14:46:39
Bloodrose had a "What if the entire world ends up gay?" moment (which is fine), then it went to test-tube kiddos, then so my mind started wandering to the sociological impact of such world.
Didn't go over well, so brought it here for me and Chaos, and whoever wanted to join.
EDIT: I'm of the "playing God" mentality, but hey! I probably should avoid that discussion in there since it's not the topic at hand.
Leviathan.Chaosx
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
Posts: 20284
By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 14:52:53
Bloodrose had a "What if the entire world ends up gay?" moment (which is fine), then it went to test-tube kiddos, then so my mind started wandering to the sociological impact of such world.
Didn't go over well, so brought it here for me and Chaos, and whoever wanted to join.
EDIT: I'm of the "playing God" mentality, but hey! I probably should avoid that discussion in there since it's not the topic at hand. I don't need to play god, I make myself self appointed overlord!
>:D
Bahamut.Kara
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3544
By Bahamut.Kara 2014-05-13 15:28:14
I find the bonding hormones super fascinating. Trying to find an article I read while pregnant how the pregnant woman influences the man around her, changing his brain as well as hers during the pregnancy.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
Posts: 20284
By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 15:29:23
Hold on I need go buy a pack of smokes for this. Apparently I'm out.
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Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2014-05-13 15:29:48
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Bahamut.Kara
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3544
By Bahamut.Kara 2014-05-13 15:30:27
http://archive.attachmentparenting.org/support/articles/artchemistry.php
-ignore the feel good parts of which there are some. I read this then went searching for more scientific papers. Pretty fascinating stuff and we don't know a lot of how the interactions work
And a USA today article
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-06-15-daddybrain15_cv_N.htm
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Bahamut.Milamber
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3691
By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-05-13 15:37:22
Forums feel so much nicer after blocking just one more person. I think that brings the total to two!
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Caitsith.Zahrah
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-05-13 15:48:11
I find the bonding hormones super fascinating. Trying to find an article I read while pregnant how the pregnant woman influences the man around her, changing his brain as well as hers during the pregnancy.
Me too! It's nuts how internally chemically dependent we are on each other and our interactions with others are!
Quote: Although present and active during bonding in the mother and infant, vasopressin plays a much bigger role in the father. This hormone promotes brain reorganization toward paternal behaviors when the male is cohabitating with the pregnant mother. The father becomes more dedicated to his mate and expresses behaviors of protection.
Released in response to nearness and touch, vasopressin promotes bonding between the father and the mother, helps the father recognize and bond to his baby, and makes him want to be part of the family, rather than alone. It has gained a reputation as the "monogamy hormone." Dr. Theresa Crenshaw, author of The Alchemy of Love and Lust, says, "Testosterone wants to prowl, vasopressin wants to stay home." She also describes vasopressin as tempering the man's sexual drive.
Vasopressin reinforces the father's testosterone-promoted protective inclination regarding his mate and child, but tempers his aggression, making him more reasonable and less extreme. By promoting more rational and less capricious thinking, this hormone induces a sensible paternal role, providing stability as well as vigilance.
I was trying to remember what theirs is.
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2014-05-13 15:50:17
I need some more of whatever chemical makes my brain cope with the fussing... O that fussing.... it makes me think I'm just an old bear who wants to eat my cub for some peace & quiet.
I thought it was just cute until recently too.
Caitsith.Zahrah
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-05-13 15:55:27
I need some more of whatever chemical makes my brain cope with the fussing... O that fussing.... it makes me think I'm just an old bear who wants to eat my cub for some peace & quiet.
I thought it was just cute until recently too.
More Oragel?
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Bahamut.Kara
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3544
By Bahamut.Kara 2014-05-13 15:56:12
I need some more of whatever chemical makes my brain cope with the fussing... O that fussing.... it makes me think I'm just an old bear who wants to eat my cub for some peace & quiet.
I thought it was just cute until recently too. More skin to skin contact with mrs. Mosin! Release that oxytocin
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Lakshmi.Flavin
Server: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
Posts: 18466
By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-05-13 15:59:50
Finally... people making use of the block function!
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2014-05-13 15:59:57
that helps! dat numb gum...
More skin to skin contact with mrs. Mosin! Release that oxytocin
that actually was the answer to the mystery fit saturday. kinda cute, the little turd just needed to cuddle with mom & watch a movie.
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Caitsith.Zahrah
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-05-13 16:00:40
Lakshmi.Flavin
Server: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
Posts: 18466
By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-05-13 16:01:31
Speak for yourself hoppy!
Edit: giving little babies drugs now! I knew you hoppies were bad news... but this?!!?
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2014-05-13 16:01:36
I think dis be da chemical I be needin' more of:
C2H6O
Edit: As of 2010-10-05 14:48:06 CST, Ni reached 10,000 pages.
Since we all can't be on the same linkshell in game, this can be our cross server linkshell thread.
Like most linkshells, it can be pretty dead at times. Other times it's full of intense conversations about either rl, gear, goals, pokemon or anything else you want to contribute.
We can cover any sort of topic at all, within reason of the forum rules. No real main topic, just a bunch of FFXIAH friends/people coming on and discussing random things.
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=royal_kingdom_of_ni
Continuation from: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/2873/ffxiah-linkshell/732/#150486
Update: Sorry Eternaltriumph, too much has changed D: (Page 698)
Eternaltriumph said: Yeah Chuu. Bringing you up to speed, Ludoggy is the LS pedophile. I'm the fountain of random and useless knowledge that makes you go "Hrm" with the occasional side of "holy shit he said what?"
Kungfu is the LS nutjob, spouting super random things that are usually sexist, until Savvy or Alyria comes into the room. Then he's a classic case of sexual harrassment. Rumaha is also true to the second part; we're wondering about his sexuality though.
Daj is Ludoggy's gay lover. Not much else is known about this Asuran. Tairo is kinda new, but since is a female and Alyria's lesbian lover, she fit right in real quick.
Celene(F) and Rowland(M) are more of the shyer members, but often say things that are witty, have a good pun and sometimes cause three page discussions. Celene hates when people hit on her. It doesn't stop them from trying.
Krizz is just social and likes to kill time here during work Tbest is about the same, except tends to be a douche to guys and affectionate toward girls.
Alyria is the most social female, gets groped a lot without provoking it by others, and Tairo ends up stabbing people for it. Cai is just a barrel of lols, I might be gay for him. If I wasn't straight.
Not sure about Citag, s/he's new. Kiriyu is just an in-out kinda person. Says one thing every three days that every guy makes a big fuss over. Ludoggy gets really defensive since she's asian and underage (might be 18 now).
Artem is the wayward soul that makes you ponder the meaning of life by constantly reminding us life can suck. But he deals, and so do we. About the same for Savannah, except people are more "AWH!" to her because of a vagina involved.
Dasva is the ex military man (as is Krizz but this doesn't apply to him) who hates the world and plots a way to destroy most of it.
Number2 is kinda like a mix between Cai and I; never bashes, likes to laugh and has odd avatars. His current suits a lot of the convos this LS gets into. Barti is most well known for his moustache. He gives mousatche rides for a fee. I'm missing a few people but whatever. CARRY ON!
Luelle Smells.
Roster of FFXIAH Ni (as of April 1st, 2010 Pocoyo avatar craze)
One Year Anniversary!!!Asura.Ludoggy said: Happy b-day ls.
Heres my lame gift to AHLS, since Row is lame and took away the OP, I made my own!
Haseyo/Bignose: He's got a bigass nose, Leader of the RL avi revloution or some junk no one gives a crap about...crazy about his asian pop/rock bands and is a closet pedo. AKA LAME
Dameshi: wont level his sam sub and is a lolblu, LAME
Citag: Doesnt put out, Really lame
Dasva: Uses Chu as a cover up for his desire for me greased up and naked on his bed, Lame.
Rydiya/Bra+Panties: Secret lesbien, doesnt wear bra+panties, like to knit and other old people stuff (bingo)
Pikachu/Chu: Hi Chu, I love chu
Kryee/Socks: Noms on socks, wears the sam red pair everyday and frequently sniffs her arm pits.
Cheyne: Domo origoto, Mr Roboto...I think he's gay.
Urial: SOCCER IS LAME AND YOU'RE LAME.
Thundars: LOLCANADIAN
Spence: LOLFRENCHCANADIAN
Enterius/ghost: He's a ghost...he'll say something witty to me later.
Ixe: Ducky face and cant seem to get a straw in her mouth (can get other things in there though)
Mairah: She cool...lame
Bart: Full times OPO-OPO, free mustache rides otherwise LAME
Sav/Mango: Field trips, yay!
Aly/thatgreenmodthatwillbanmeifIsayanythingbad: *tapes*
Woody: You're not Italian...no tea for you.
Sectum: My apprentice...loves asian girls, loves to cook...he's awesome. put me in a story where I wasnt a pedo and that'd cool
Rum:STOP RAIDING MY BASEMENT AND TAKING AWAY MY GIRLS GAWD. Long Islander...lame
Valencea:Wont tell me the color of her undies, you lost the bet...no we cant get married...NO MEANS NO
Kojo:Open pedo...he likes scat, ewww
Tohsou: I think he's a pedo with a girlfriend as cover up, lame.
Kiriyu/strawberry: Lurk Less post moar! I see you what you are doing!
Krizz: Mohawk guy #1
Triet: Mohawk guy #1...wait
Bloodbathboy: The Hulk
Kungfuhustle: AH%DUE%$JNSRGHSRHHEYHEHSA Y%HEDHGSR EAT AHUYY DONKEY NUTS
Celene: Quit...Canadian...who the hell quits?
Tbest: MIA
Eternaltriumph: Where the hell has he been? Is he gone cause he got pussywhipped or something? Whatever...
#2: GOD...I miss him /cry
Luelle/otherlu: The Other Lu.
Zekky: Quit, kicking ass, raped me :\
Krystale/Girlwithpiercing: Magnets stick to her, Toke Canadian, hawt...she's 15 right?
Marzbarz: NINJA
Rowland: All your Pocoyo are belong to...him
Weewoo/Tool: He liked Asura and wont admit it.
Miemo: Has a mithra avi c.c
Kalyna: is a girl right? right? oh...lame
Gimmeurselables: TOO MUCH BOUNCE...TOO BIG, EWWWW
Sagittario: Lame elf whu runs around in a diaper subligar
Ludoggy: Faggot
Edit: The Family Ni Tree
Luelle's (And Citag's too!) birthday present
Pics worth referencing:
This OP is paid for and sponsored by Stiklelf
Fenrir.Scragg said: Code Rowland 29488 2007-06-24 16:06:00
Ludoggy 26597 2009-02-25 22:31:23
Flionheart 22174 2008-11-17 14:28:15
Krizz 22085 2007-06-30 15:22:38
Haseyo 20875 2009-01-12 15:55:51
Dameshi 19807 2009-02-17 10:29:14
Urial 18636 2008-02-09 01:15:03
Spence 18475 2009-05-04 11:26:27
Kalyna 15001 2010-01-21 11:40:04
Rydiya 13469 2008-05-16 05:24:33
Alyria 12656 2007-10-23 10:58:35
Tigerwoods 10807 2007-03-14 21:10:43
Enternius 10382 2007-08-10 04:14:29
Slipispsycho 10072 2008-09-05 08:56:34
Rumaha 10000 2009-02-20 13:28:03
Kojo 9060 2007-06-30 17:46:02
Sevourn 8567 2009-02-10 00:10:20
Cheyne 8527 2007-04-27 12:27:54
Mabrook 8356 2008-07-01 00:53:38
Marzbarz 7723 2010-01-10 14:12:5
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February 1st, 2012
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