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By Quetzacoatl 2013-05-24 12:20:43
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"In regards to Walk of Echoes weapons, these were implemented with the concept of allowing players to use the specialized empyrean weapon skills, so instead of revamping them we felt it more appropriate to have them serve to unlock the weapons skills (planning to have restrictions based on jobs and level). Also, we are looking into adjustments for the method to create Walk of Echoes weapons."

Watch out for the spitfire behind the keyboard everyone. ^^
what does that even say about camping lottery NMs
To make a WoE weapon is like making an empy weapon up to the items trading portion. You fight the same NMs as the empy weapon, only then it is aby items you trade for empy weapon or WoE items for the WoE version
So wait, I know I haven't done WoE, but are you saying the NMs you fight in Abyssea, which are normally force popped, are lottery spawned in WoE now?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-24 12:21:18
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Wtf are you talking about. To make a woe weapon you have to do the same trials as empy, which are the lottery nms.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-05-24 12:21:34
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if they don't allow you to unlock the emp ws with real emps then you will need to camp the nms again to make a woe weapon to unlock it
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By Quetzacoatl 2013-05-24 12:23:36
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Wtf are you talking about. To make a woe weapon you have to do the same trials as empy, which are the lottery nms.
oh wait, you mean the trials from before you make the actual empyrean huh

I just hope the "win" carries over to the alliance is my concern
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-05-24 12:25:09
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Quetzacoatl said: »
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Wtf are you talking about. To make a woe weapon you have to do the same trials as empy, which are the lottery nms.
oh so ***like, for example, Gukumatz again huh >_>

<______< I dunno, if that's the case, I guess I'm okay with that
are you doing drugs or something, guku is sobek prereq

you need to redo the 3x3 and 3x4 lotto NMs outside abyssea then redo VNM to be able to make a WoE weapon, which is a bit *** for the people who have emp already(since their emps wont be useful either unless 99, but are still more work than equiv woe99)
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2013-05-24 12:25:53
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Is this thread serious right now
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-24 12:27:00
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Quetzacoatl said: »
I just hope the "win" carries over to the alliance is my concern
I don't even
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By Carbuncle.Darktrance 2013-05-24 12:28:06
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Suggestion for weaponskills? Go the path they went with Mythic?


They already have "Relic" WS weapons on abyssea, could always just turn them into Weaponskill break weapons. Since every 13th WS is Relic on those abysea weapons, maybe make it so you hafta activate the latent WS 13 times in a skillchain or something. Easy, peasy.

As for Empyean, they could include random weapon drops with similar break weapons.

And finally, if ya already have the weapon via Relic and Empy, you should just be able to Log in and have the WS waiting on ya with any appropriate weapon you wanna wield.

Just me ramblin. Carry on <<.
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By Quetzacoatl 2013-05-24 12:28:09
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orz

forgive my lack of comprehension today, it's been a crazy start of the day for me
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By Ragnarok.Legendarycloud 2013-05-24 12:28:18
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I'm stabbing myself in the eyes reading the last two pages
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-05-24 12:29:14
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What the *** is going on? <.<
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By Quetzacoatl 2013-05-24 12:30:11
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apparently i've been unintentionally trolling the last two pages :<
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2013-05-24 12:33:55
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Ignoring our bizarre and abrupt turn for the ridiculous, and as much as I don't fancy the idea myself, the assumption that anyone is getting anything for anything without being 99 on their respective weapon is pretty delusional.

Only reasonable assumptions as follows:

-No Empyrean WS without 99 Coin weapon
-No Empyrean WS carryover at all for 99 Empyreans(or below), because they probably think that the weapon retaining relevance on it's own is a reward in and of itself
-No Relic WS without 99 Relic weapon

The only possible deviation from that one could reasonably hope for is a WS carryover from 99 Empyreans, but for the reason outlined, I still doubt it
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2013-05-24 12:45:41
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Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
Ignoring our bizarre and abrupt turn for the ridiculous, and as much as I don't fancy the idea myself, the assumption that anyone is getting anything for anything without being 99 on their respective weapon is pretty delusional.

Only reasonable assumptions as follows:

-No Empyrean WS without 99 Coin weapon
-No Empyrean WS carryover at all for 99 Empyreans(or below), because they probably think that the weapon retaining relevance on it's own is a reward in and of itself
-No Relic WS without 99 Relic weapon

The only possible deviation from that one could reasonably hope for is a WS carryover from 99 Empyreans, but for the reason outlined, I still doubt it

Except for the fact that you don't need the 99 Mythic weapon to unlock that WS. Comparing the usefulness of the weapon skills is a moot point. There is probably just as many useless Relic Weaponskills as Mythic Weaponskills. Emp WS have mostly better WS, but some still fall behind when compared to Merited WS (probably some extra ones since using them without getting the Aftermath would be useless).
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2013-05-24 12:47:43
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Calling on precedent for a situation without precedent is pretty silly

They're not likely to hand prizes out to people who haven't completed a weapon; I don't know what's complicated about that

They never have and never will have a sense of balance, just a sense of completion. Completing a relic has always been paltry compared to completing a mythic, and yet they treat them identically-- complete, or irrelevant. Expecting them to care about an 85 or 90 Empyrean, a 75 Relic, or a 90 Coin weapon is nothing short of giving in to wish thinking
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-05-24 12:50:17
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Hmmm. Just as I started to fall for Upheaval it seems Ukko has come back bearing roses, chocolates, and puppy dog eyes to lure me back to his side. As one of a select few weirdos who made Shamash and thus never knew the joys of 2-Handed Hammer Time this puts me in an awkward position. Where will my fickle heart lead me? Why does my analogy sound like a soap opera or a shoujo manga? Please pick up Volume 2 of "The Weirdo is a Warrior" to find out!
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2013-05-24 12:54:37
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Yea, I suppose. They did hand out prizes to people who haven't completed a weapon before though. Drakesbane was a pretty awesome prize for Dragoon back then. King's Justice was decent as far as I remember, and Kleos was nice for Dancer to self Darkness. Just saying, maybe they will, maybe they won't. I'm also trying to make myself feel better about it. I don't want to make a handful of 99 WoE weapons for all the WS I would want (Ukko's, Hi, CDC, Rudra's, Smite). If a 99 WoE weapon is required, I will probably never have any of them. Oh well.
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2013-05-24 12:58:04
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I just don't see the usefulness in applying the Mythic WS quests to this situation: it's an entirely isolated incident(that they don't even seem to know how to reconcile, frankly)

And again, I'd love to be able to trade in my 90 Vere or Ukon for their respective WS, but I've been playing this game long enough to know that they seldom bend when it comes to their vision of completion
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By Quetzacoatl 2013-05-24 13:29:14
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Honestly, one of the only things on my mind about this Empyrean stuff is, what LS is going to farm HMPs/Rifts as an event for future Empy99 users now? Since there's practically nothing to gain from VW anymore other than Heavy Metal Plates and Rift items (and maybe some pieces of VW gear)
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-24 13:30:06
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People did it as ls event?
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2013-05-24 13:30:53
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Considering there'll be all of two Empyreans worth creating post-update, and one of them doesn't require progress beyond its 90 trial, I don't think it'll be much of a topic of discussion
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By Quetzacoatl 2013-05-24 13:33:02
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
People did it as ls event?
One of my Linkshells did lol >.>
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-05-24 13:33:55
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Quetzacoatl said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
People did it as ls event?
One of my Linkshells did lol >.>
if you farmed plates for someone else's emp and you aren't really really good friends with them, you are a fool
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By Quetzacoatl 2013-05-24 13:37:39
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
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People did it as ls event?
One of my Linkshells did lol >.>
if you farmed plates for someone else's emp and you aren't really really good friends with them, you are a fool
Yeah don't get me wrong, I'm still good friends with him, and I talk to him still. The only problem I had with it was my stone count for other gear I was trying to get and I barely had time in the day to campaign away for dust

anyway, carry on
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By Asura.Fondue 2013-05-24 14:07:07
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Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
Considering there'll be all of two Empyreans worth creating post-update, and one of them doesn't require progress beyond its 90 trial, I don't think it'll be much of a topic of discussion

did I miss where they put out the basedmg and other stats for all the weapons? is accuracy gear that hard to get?
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By Quetzacoatl 2013-05-24 14:10:53
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Asura.Fondue said: »
Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
Considering there'll be all of two Empyreans worth creating post-update, and one of them doesn't require progress beyond its 90 trial, I don't think it'll be much of a topic of discussion

did I miss where they put out the basedmg and other stats for all the weapons? is accuracy gear that hard to get?
They just provided examples for the Swords for now.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-25 15:23:41
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If SE really is gonna unlock Emp WSs, I'm kinda eager to see how Quietus does with a buffed Apoc.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-25 15:34:43
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
If SE really is gonna unlock Emp WSs, I'm kinda eager to see how Quietus does with a buffed Apoc.


Description:

Delivers a triple damage attack that ignores target's defense. Amount ignored varies with TP.

Stat Modifier:

40% STR / 40% MND

fTP:
3.0

TP Modifier
100 TP
200 TP
300 TP

Defense ignored:
10%
30%
50%

Terrible, slightly better mods then Cata, slightly higher fTP but no 40% boost to damage. The last thing DRK is lacking is attack so Def ignored is a nonfactor.
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By Angeljcar 2013-05-25 15:37:40
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Victory smite with a buffed Glanzfaust sounds like it would be pretty epic.

So does ukko's fury with conqueror.
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