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Power Rangers: A Guide to Pewing
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2014-07-03 18:00:48
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »I wish there was just a chart, one that shows what you need to xhit
Kinda like what Kincard did for the nin forum, having 6 different sets at varying states of haste/dw.
IE;
Anni; stp tp/ws 4hit 4/4 recycles
Anni; stp tp/ws 4hit 3/4 recycles
Yoichi; stp tp/ws 5hit 5/5 recycles
etc etc, that'd be really awesome if someone added that, then there wouldn't be a thousand of the same question.
I'll see if I can do something like that on Monday, I work all weekend so won't be able to do anything til then.
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By Carbuncle.Dagget 2014-07-03 18:07:29
Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »Hello everyone, havent touched RNG since Se redid merits. Can i see updated sets please? thank you. Because you have Anni,
TP in this ItemSet 325145
*S kote needs 5 STP
WS in this ItemSet 324548
What's dps difference between that TP set and one that utilizes Kyujutsugi and Nahtirah Trousers instead of Arcadian +1 and Aetosaur +1?
On stuff that's not fodder, preferably.
Was/am attempting to spreadsheet since I finally downloaded it but still not 100% with it.
One person in my shell started using a setup similar to this. Before, he and I were always within 1-2% of each other, depending on relic procs and whatnot. Now he is a good 7-8% above me, due to increasing his TP shots and WS frequency.
So it's 32 stp for 3/4?
That shows the amount of STP needed to 3/4 recycle 4 hit anni.
3 hit is pretty much that + SAM. i believe ccl posted a set quite a few pages back
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By Bahamut.Baozzer 2014-07-04 13:45:34
Made a build with 30 STP in TP, and 20STP in WS. 1001 TP
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-07-04 13:48:06
Made a build with 30 STP in TP, and 20STP in WS. 1001 TP
Hmm, that's good to know. I'm sitting at 31 stp. I'm at 4 stp on Skote (need 5 for 32) after literally 100+ tries.
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By Bahamut.Baozzer 2014-07-04 13:48:37
Whats your avg EES on relevant content? On AAs I do anywhere from 2.3-3k just stacking RATT on every slot.
Though fully buffed last stands can do a bit more on this Mob.
Very nice but I assume that's a crit and not an avg.
try it and see.
Aura down with a decent set and buffs and that is normal, maybe even on the low end depending on how many minuets you're afforded.
I never really paid attention to my EES on him, I mostly blow it on the T5
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By Bahamut.Baozzer 2014-07-04 13:49:33
Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Made a build with 30 STP in TP, and 20STP in WS. 1001 TP
Hmm, that's good to know. I'm sitting at 31 stp. I'm at 4 stp on Skote (need 5 for 32) after literally 100+ tries.
Forgot to mention 3/4 recycle, and im not using those hands, roughly 1030 racc and ratt w/ ionis.
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By Bahamut.Baozzer 2014-07-04 14:49:53
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By Aikawa 2014-07-04 15:15:33
Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Made a build with 30 STP in TP, and 20STP in WS. 1001 TP
Hmm, that's good to know. I'm sitting at 31 stp. I'm at 4 stp on Skote (need 5 for 32) after literally 100+ tries. bad luck on you... but after I got my first 5stp w/ less than 20, and have done ~90 more, and got at least 5 more STP 5, but looking something STP 5 + crit.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-07-04 15:23:39
Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Made a build with 30 STP in TP, and 20STP in WS. 1001 TP
Hmm, that's good to know. I'm sitting at 31 stp. I'm at 4 stp on Skote (need 5 for 32) after literally 100+ tries. bad luck on you... but after I got my first 5stp w/ less than 20, and have done ~90 more, and got at least 5 more STP 5, but looking something STP 5 + crit.
I've gotten a bunch of 4 stp +3 crit, as is it's 4 stp, 3 crit, and 3? evasion. I went 1/1 for 3 da / 6 stp adberk though so all my synergy luck is probably gone.
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2014-07-04 20:11:52
ItemSet 319855
ItemSet 319857
Skotes are stp +4.
is what I've found so far with the most racc and to be a 2/4 recycle.
41 stp for TP phase
15 stp for WS phase
Edit: 1002 TP with 2/4 recycle procs, 1014 Racc 1088 Rattack (with velocity shot)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-07-04 20:30:29
Is 2/4 recycle over 3/4 recycle necessary though?
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2014-07-04 20:51:50
I dunno, to me it is, it's a consistent 4hit, never a 5hit. (I know it has a lot to do with the player) Out of the 100's of parses i've done, i've been second twice? i'll stick with my consistency over luck.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-07-04 20:56:06
Bahamut.Greyfawkz said: »I dunno, to me it is, it's a consistent 4hit, never a 5hit. (I know it has a lot to do with the player) Out of the 100's of parses i've done, i've been second twice? i'll stick with my consistency over luck.
In theory the 2/4 set looks great, although earlier in the thread the number was 42 instead of 41 for it so that had me confused. Was just concerned about losing the racc from back/waist for things like VD AA.
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By Asura.Sope 2014-07-04 21:04:31
The extra security of a 2/4 proc happening is negligible compared to the amount of stats you sacrifice for the extra +stp
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-07-04 21:08:56
Ok thanks for the input, I have the stuff for the 2/4 so I'll try it out.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-07-04 21:18:06
Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Ok thanks for the input, I have the stuff for the 2/4 so I'll try it out.
You made Sope quit the ranger thread GG
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-07-04 21:31:33
Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Ok thanks for the input, I have the stuff for the 2/4 so I'll try it out.
You made Sope quit the ranger thread GG
ok
Edit: I didn't realize that the war of the 2/4 x 3/4 was going on in this thread.
By fractalvoid 2014-07-04 21:38:18
The extra security of a 2/4 proc happening is negligible compared to the amount of stats you sacrifice for the extra +stp
I feel the same way, I just wish there was a way to quantify any differences
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2014-07-04 21:40:49
The extra security of a 2/4 proc happening is negligible compared to the amount of stats you sacrifice for the extra +stp
K? so what food/set's are you using? Also what content are you needing more than 1015 racc without buffs.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-07-04 21:42:10
The extra security of a 2/4 proc happening is negligible compared to the amount of stats you sacrifice for the extra +stp
Any other job (like SAM trying to 3 hit) this is true, RNG not so much really... rng tp/ws split is like 20/80... maybe even more.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-07-04 21:51:52
Bahamut.Greyfawkz said: »The extra security of a 2/4 proc happening is negligible compared to the amount of stats you sacrifice for the extra +stp
K? so what food/set's are you using? Also what content are you needing more than 1015 racc without buffs.
It doesn't mean he is using racc, first swap is kyu=> arca body +1.
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By Asura.Sope 2014-07-04 21:58:41
a 3/4 set has a 94.77% chance of working, where a 2/4 has a 99.63% chance of working. This is before taking into account any Conserve TP return.
Bahamut.Greyfawkz said: »Also what content are you needing more than 1015 racc without buffs.
I'm not saying swap in more racc, you're missing out on opportunities for damage. If you look at your 2/4 set, you could swap out patentia for Elanid for more damage, as well as Kyujitsugi for Arcadian +2
I don't know why you guys hate Arcadian +2 body. It gives you 5% double shot even when double shot isn't active. Kyu should be one of the lowest priority swaps for store tp, and only when you need the +racc that it comes with.
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »rng tp/ws split is like 20/80... maybe even more.
Rng (particularly annihilator rngs) rely very heavily on tp phase damage. I don't have any numbers unfortunately, but I would guess its around 50/50
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-07-04 22:04:55
So you're saying 3 tp shots is equal to your coronoch damage? Maybe if 2 of them relic crit...
DPS for ranged tp phase 157
DPS including coronoch 404
Looks awfully far away from a 50/50 split...
I just closed the *** thing by mistake before I took the screen shot. Minute.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-07-04 22:26:09
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »So you're saying 3 tp shots is equal to your coronoch damage? Maybe if 2 of them relic crit...
i just pulled up the last few parses on DM, and all 3 of our Annis did 44-49% damage in WSs, the rest was standard TP phase and Barrage damage.
that was 6 fights, 3 Annis each fight, 18 samples total. Even the one using Arc. Jerkin +1, rest using Kyu.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-07-04 22:28:52
I guess that 3 shots @ 500 damage = 3300 coronoch average, weird math.
Obviously barrage skews it... and relic procs, but come on. ~1500 =/= 3300
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By Bismarck.Inference 2014-07-04 22:30:27
The handful of parses I have show about 30(TP)-60(WS)-10(Ability), within ~3% among all RNG. You could technically lump ability damage in with WS damage if you wanted since a main function of Barrage is a quick WS, and EES should simply take the place of a normal shot when <1000 TP.
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »DPS for ranged tp phase 157
DPS including coronoch 404
My spreadsheet shows something like a 42(TP)-58(WS) split. Its going to vary hugely from person to person in that regard.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-07-04 22:32:54
40/60 to within 30/70 sounds about right, maybe not quite 20/80 but more accurate than 50/50.
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2014-07-04 22:34:07
Hmm. Can Recycle (and particularly, the TP Bonus effect) proc on Barrage?
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-07-04 22:37:51
Hmm. Can Recycle (and particularly, the TP Bonus effect) proc on Barrage?
It can proc on it, I think its all hits or none. However, I don't think the TP Bonus can proc on all hits, first shot only. I haven't paid super close attention.
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By Bismarck.Inference 2014-07-04 23:00:44
Its late so not sure if this math is sufficient; I'm assuming every shot of barrage works the same as if it were a normal shot.
Firstly, I received 1219 TP from 0, with one bullet still being wasted.
If X shots were fired, X-1 shots were recycled and all X-1 received Recycle bonus.
217*(X-1)+167=1219 implies X = 5.84 which is not an even amount of shots.
So it's not possible X-1 received a recycle bonus. If you assume only one shot received the recycle bonus, it works out nicely to a 7-shot barrage, with one receiving the recycle bonus. Feel free to correct me if there is more than one answer for this solution..as I said its late so I'm pretty much just doing napkin math.
Recreated again and still wasted a bullet with same results. No barrage gear or anything of the sort, just Arcadian Beret +1 and PDT in other slots to make testing less painful. Guess Barrage wastes the standard non-recyclable bullet like Shadowbind/Bounty Shot do?
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