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By Bahamut.Snapshot 2014-05-11 10:02:04
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Iuitl wristbands are 10% snapshot pre augment. Both nq and +1.
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By Bahamut.Snapshot 2014-05-11 10:30:39
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Asura.Hotsoups said: »
Regardless of how good the paladin is, if you are not pulling hate without a relic weapon going all out, you are either..
A. Not doing enough damage.
B. Holding back, see point A.

Although this may be true for pug and part time rangers, its not the rule for most. Keep in mind, most of the people here are have spent 150M+ on relics or hours/days farming. They are going to hang on to "Relics are King", as long as they can. Almost all relics are second rate now.

Keep doing what you're doing Rait :)
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-05-11 12:08:18
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With the right buffs one could be riding Coronach's aftermath full time, and still be doing remarkable damage.

edit: in regard to not pulling hate.
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By Bismarck.Inference 2014-05-11 12:21:49
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A relic is by no means required, just highly advisable.

Apart from not having to worry about hate issues, a RNG playing optimally with a relic should out damage a RNG playing optimally without a relic when hate is an issue(the latter optimal obviously being as much damage as possible without pulling hate, I say should since its obviously hard to quantify since there is no given indication of your threat level other than Libra, and is up to the individual RNGs intuition).

As with all bandwagon jobs not every RNG with a relic is an automatic good RNG. Timing your shots during your TP phase is an additional layer of difficultly many other DD may not be accustomed to. Before Delve 2.0 when we were doing 2-3 Divine Mights every night I would chuckle at parses whenever we would swap in someone who was new to RNG and they'd do just absolutely horrible, but they'd obviously get better over time(no one likes being at the bottom of the parse, after all).

I'll always strongly suggest players without a relic build one, but if they're getting whatever job they want to get done without one, whether that be Reive boulders or AA fights, and they decide they don't want to, I naturally can't force them to build one.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2014-05-11 12:38:29
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Bahamut.Snapshot said: »
Asura.Hotsoups said: »
Regardless of how good the paladin is, if you are not pulling hate without a relic weapon going all out, you are either..
A. Not doing enough damage.
B. Holding back, see point A.

Although this may be true for pug and part time rangers, its not the rule for most. Keep in mind, most of the people here are have spent 150M+ on relics or hours/days farming. They are going to hang on to "Relics are King", as long as they can. Almost all relics are second rate now.

Keep doing what you're doing Rait :)
I'm sorry but, if you're playing ranger properly you're always going to be doing worse than a relic ranger on anything that you can't pull hate on. You're deluded if you think otherwise, or you just play with terrible rangers.
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By Bahamut.Snapshot 2014-05-11 12:46:16
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If you're using relic, you're selling yourself short. You can clear any content just fine(with relic) but can put out much better numbers with about 3-4 other bows and guns atm, with minimal hate issues.

Relic can get lucky with procs and win, but normally not. I'll be the first one upgrading to relic when SE updates them more often but for now, just meh. Save your money and time guys.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-05-11 12:54:14
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Bahamut.Snapshot said: »
If you're using relic, you're selling yourself short. You can clear any content just fine(with relic) but can put out much better numbers with about 3-4 other bows and guns atm, with minimal hate issues.


Spreadsheet disagree with you unless you can prove it with numbers and showing the maths, you're wrong occ does triple dmg is OP for rng.
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By Bismarck.Inference 2014-05-11 12:59:05
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Think it comes down to bad RNGs, really. There's more than enough bad RNGs with relics running around to give the non-relic ones a god complex.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2014-05-11 13:56:24
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Bahamut.Snapshot said: »
If you're using relic, you're selling yourself short. You can clear any content just fine(with relic) but can put out much better numbers with about 3-4 other bows and guns atm, with minimal hate issues.

Relic can get lucky with procs and win, but normally not. I'll be the first one upgrading to relic when SE updates them more often but for now, just meh. Save your money and time guys.
Fact of the matter is, even if you had the ability to lead in damage, you will pull hate and you will die. Thus reducing your total damage, not accounting for anyone else you may have killed via AOE. Relic RNG will never have to stop shooting/WSing ever. You're wrong, simply put.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2014-05-11 14:00:17
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[Makes incorrect statement based on absolutely no information to justify current equipment choices]

Make a relic, bro.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-11 14:13:56
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While RNG isn't my primary job, I have it well geared enough with a rank 13 cibitshavore.

I'm usually bottom of the parse due to having to hold back from pulling hate far too easily, where as the rangers with Annhilator spamming between Coronach and Last Stand, do roughly 50% more damage than I do, without having to stop or slow down.

Also, I thought that Iuitl Wristbands were tested to be 5% Snapshot before augments.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-05-11 14:15:09
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Also, I thought that Iuitl Wristbands were tested to be 5% Snapshot before augments.

I believe it's the belief that +5 is actually 5 *2.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-11 14:17:04
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Also, I thought that Iuitl Wristbands were tested to be 5% Snapshot before augments.

I believe it's the belief that +5 is actually 5 *2.
That might make more sense then, considering the JSE weapons like Aettir, Polyhymnia, and Ohtas, as well as the Hangaku-no-yumi.
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By Siren.Kenesu 2014-05-11 14:24:14
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Whats the best of the best gear sets for anni rng right now? Is presto, mekki, plasm dagger, or ah axe? Anyone with a spreadsheet to show these numbers? Seem's my set I use atm hasn't been out parsed in any event I've been to. Just asking so I know if its my set or the rngs I'm parsing against. Thanks and very much appreciated.
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By Bahamut.Snapshot 2014-05-11 14:48:56
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Bahamut.Snapshot said: »
Keep in mind, most of the people here are have spent 150M+ on relics or hours/days farming. They are going to hang on to "Relics are King", as long as they can. Almost all relics are second rate now.


Kicking and screaming lol.
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By Bismarck.Inference 2014-05-11 14:55:46
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No one who built a relic is coming here complaining about the money they spent on it. You on the other hand have tried to parade the money you've "saved" around like it validates your point somehow.

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With that said, most of the time gun rangers will win parse because bow ranger has to hold back. So yea, most AA's you would win Grey. By maybe 5-10%. I'm ok with that. My bow cost 2M.
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By Bahamut.Snapshot 2014-05-11 15:14:13
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Of course they arent complainig. Why would you when you believe your're right. Im only advising those w/o relic to save gil because its only an update or two before they collect dust in your mog house for 2 years again.
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By Bahamut.Snapshot 2014-05-11 15:19:27
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Also, that is an old quote from me.
Its no longer relevant.
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By Bismarck.Inference 2014-05-11 15:24:37
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Not likely. Unless they're planning to release items past i119. Or if they completely overhaul the enmity system so that PLD can tank against heavy DD and still hold hate without concern.

You can get by using non-relic. That doesn't change that relic is a better, safer DPS option when safety is a concern. If you wanna go be king of Reive boulders or whatever useless scenario you might win in, be my guest.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-05-11 15:27:05
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One would hope a lesson was learned with the jump to 119... When/if we jump again, 129 151 9001.. RME's should be the very first thing to have an update trial...

But probably not. Either way, Ranger relic(s) have the unique ability to produce minimal enmity, even when other weapons got the skill update, some could say that the 99 anni with NO SKILL was still better for it's purposes even when the new guns had considerably more damage...Enmity is a real thing now lol. It used to not matter even the slightest bit, but the fundamental physics of the game are completely upside down now. (or rightside up after being upside down for years??)
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By Bahamut.Snapshot 2014-05-11 15:30:30
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Nah. Relic bow and gun is second rate bud. Enjoy being ok with that.

Im not posting to convince current relic users to upgrade. Thats like talking to an apple.
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By Bismarck.Inference 2014-05-11 15:42:38
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Think you'd be more convincing if your only argument wasn't "lol relics cost money and I don't have any so they suck"
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By Sylph.Kayen 2014-05-11 16:13:49
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It would help if Snapshot was playing with real RNGs. You will not outparse a relic RNG if the relic RNG is good. If you are winning, that simply means they are terrible. I advise anyone that doesn't have a relic and actually cares about RNG, to get a relic. Relic gun/bow is not bested in any scenario that actually matters, period.
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By Bismarck.Marmite 2014-05-11 16:15:12
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Bahamut.Snapshot said: »
Nah. Relic bow and gun is second rate bud. Enjoy being ok with that.

Im not posting to convince current relic users to upgrade. Thats like talking to an apple.

I only have Cibitshavore @R15 and I consistently beat some relic rngs in parses (mostly yoichi and a few poorly played/geared Anni's). It doesn't make it a better weapon or even better dps. It simply means I'm either better geared or have better timing or a combination of both. I also get raped by Anni rangers.

If you believe Anni is second rate, you are delusional. I know for sure if I had an Anni I'd beat my Cibi consistently. You can't practically 3 hit Cibi or even 4 hit without pulling hate, so that's 20-30% more ws from Anni. Let alone get relic procs on shots or barrage. Cibi can't compete under optimal timing/geared Anni with both damage and enmity.

You really should make an Anni before saying it's second rate.
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2014-05-11 16:26:32
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Damn, this thread turned into an Epeen crybaby thread fast.. R.I.P
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2014-05-11 16:28:12
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Honestly, I'm half tempted to pay for you to transfer servers so you can get wrecked by real rangers and then send you back. It's really embarrassing that someone who considers themselves a "main" ranger can be so wrong. I wouldn't have a problem if you were not spreading misinformation to the public who may actually believe the ***that you're spewing.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2014-05-11 16:42:09
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Everyone calm down he probably won the parse you ain't got nothing on that
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2014-05-11 16:43:39
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Bahamut.Snapshot said: »
Nah. Relic bow and gun is second rate bud. Enjoy being ok with that.

Im not posting to convince current relic users to upgrade. Thats like talking to an apple.

Sorry man, the two events? I think I did with you was an AAEV and I beat you on that, even though you almost got us kilt by its AOE and I decided to move away from you and lose my decoyshot, I beat you by at least 10% that parse..

the second time was a Marjami, where I was R0 every 30 secs and force d/c'd twice to try and reset it.. pullin hate on penguin, like you did will wipe errbody.

So that's two events that I remember doing with you, and you pulled hate both times.

I know you're a good RNG when it comes to "DPS", but when it comes to safety, you're a liability.
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By Bahamut.Snapshot 2014-05-11 16:52:15
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LOL Grey. EV was 3 months ago. We just did a delve 2 weeks ago and had you by 4-5%.

With better procs, you could win. Im a fan of consistency. I honestly believe you could do better w/o relic.
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By Bismarck.Inference 2014-05-11 16:56:22
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And we'll keep ignoring the hate factor cause god knows people bring RNG for their unique ability to put their entire backline in danger.
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