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Power Rangers: A Guide to Pewing
Carbuncle.Dagget
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By Carbuncle.Dagget 2014-02-02 23:41:52
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »how Bahamut.Greyfawkz said: »Is Sylvan +2 hat still the best for precast, or should you sub in Orion +1 for the Rapid Shot?
Pretty sure consensus is Orion +1
On a side note, with Orion +1 hat, I wonder if using relic +2 body would be better...
I believe with courser's roll Sylvan +2 wins, but outside of that Orion.
can you explain that to me?
Cumulative total of snapshot? ^ this and snapshot devalues rapid shot as you gain more snap (lower total delay, so less % saved when it procs) Caban +2 is superior to +2 relic, unless every rapid shot* proc is the 80% variety, then they're basically the same if i remember my math correctly.
By Jurant 2014-02-03 00:26:09
Is there any significant advantage of Relic Gun Vs Relic Bow? One way or the other? Asides from Sam using Bow.
Phoenix.Suji
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By Phoenix.Suji 2014-02-03 10:19:26
On the subject of x-hits, after getting Kyujutsugi and Tripudio I started wondering if a yoichi 4-hit might be more viable now.
I found this 4-hit, which is 3% DPS higher than what I was using in my low-acc setup before. This is aimed at Normal difficulty DM (can sub whatever you feel safe with but we use /NIN).
TP:
ItemSet 319326
Namas:
ItemSet 319327
Thoughts? I'm wondering if I can make this better. You sacrifice some stats to get the 4-hit but the spreadsheet says it's worth it by a nice margin.
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2014-02-03 13:11:33
Is there any significant advantage of Relic Gun Vs Relic Bow? One way or the other? Asides from Sam using
Bow.
They parse very closely when spamming coro and namas (although team gun shoots fewer times than team bow so more plasm saved). Usually our gun rangers eek out a few thousand more damage than our bow rangers in a DM run but that could be player instead of weapon (our bow users are newer RNG than our gun users for the most part).
I haven't seen either aftermath matter much (gun and bow parses very similar for accuracy and the minus enmity is irrelevant when you relic proc barrage). The only other advantage I have seen for bow is that when you are low on time you can switch over to Jishnu's Radiance for a little extra damage. This will of course result in your death.
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By Asura.Originalkord 2014-02-03 13:17:32
Is there any significant advantage of Relic Gun Vs Relic Bow? One way or the other? Asides from Sam using
Bow.
They parse very closely when spamming coro and namas (although team gun shoots fewer times than team bow so more plasm saved). Usually our gun rangers eek out a few thousand more damage than our bow rangers in a DM run but that could be player instead of weapon (our bow users are newer RNG than our gun users for the most part).
I haven't seen either aftermath matter much (gun and bow parses very similar for accuracy and the minus enmity is irrelevant when you relic proc barrage). The only other advantage I have seen for bow is that when you are low on time you can switch over to Jishnu's Radiance for a little extra damage. This will of course result in your death.
Also, one might wish to note that gun Rangers kill bow Rangers by proxy. AMIRITE HOSHI?!
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2014-02-03 14:16:20
It's in the contract for joining team gun :D
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Carbuncle.Dagget
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By Carbuncle.Dagget 2014-02-03 19:23:20
Is there any significant advantage of Relic Gun Vs Relic Bow? One way or the other? Asides from Sam using
Bow.
They parse very closely when spamming coro and namas (although team gun shoots fewer times than team bow so more plasm saved). Usually our gun rangers eek out a few thousand more damage than our bow rangers in a DM run but that could be player instead of weapon (our bow users are newer RNG than our gun users for the most part).
I haven't seen either aftermath matter much (gun and bow parses very similar for accuracy and the minus enmity is irrelevant when you relic proc barrage). The only other advantage I have seen for bow is that when you are low on time you can switch over to Jishnu's Radiance for a little extra damage. This will of course result in your death.
For our VD DM runs, our gun rangers normally dominate the bow rangers. Like you said, baring players they should be close-ish, however gun is going to be the better DPS option on difficult content even if you can use jishnu's 100%(you can't).
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-02-03 19:56:18
as an owner of 4 yoichis and 5 annihilators, i am firmly in team gun
bow is for sams, sillies
Siren.Kenesu
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By Siren.Kenesu 2014-02-03 22:07:39
I agree with ya Comeatmebro.
Phoenix.Suji
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By Phoenix.Suji 2014-02-04 00:24:42
Anyone that can give me best/near best sets for the four above sets would be an amazing person. You are welcome to try and find something better than what I posted. Obviously you can change the main/sub to whatever you want but Hurlbat is only really strong if you're benefiting from most of its ranged accuracy.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-02-04 00:48:30
Hurlbat is great for gun rangers sine its 15 ranged accuracy and AGI+.
Aphotic R15 path A is great for both Archery and Marksmanship but benefits Archery more.
Suji was basically saying he posted a set you could review and plug in pieces you have if you don't match up. The sets for range accuracy for marks and archery are virtually the same barring the hands. For Archery, Burmete Gloves are a good straight 20 rng acc. Whereas Sigyn's are the go to for marks.
You also get the + rng acc aftermath so you also have more room to play with gearwise than gun rangers.
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Phoenix.Suji
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By Phoenix.Suji 2014-02-04 01:18:24
wasnt meant to come off as an insult or anything I wasn't sure how a 4hit would work for me since i dont have Tripudio Earring nor Kyujutsugi.
So without those 2 items does that change my whole build or can I still pull it off? Also didnt post any RACC sets for when it is needed.
Assume the Daggers are STR rank? Well, you did ask for best or near best! :p Like Zerowone said, it's a starting point. And no, 4hit is a still a mess without those two pieces. It's only barely viable with what I posted (assuming I didn't make a mistake).
The 5-hit low acc alternative is pretty much what you'd expect... swap stp stuff for more strength/ratt. Although, due to RNG's Conserve TP trait along with the usage of the elemental belt, Store TP benefits DoT even if it isn't changing your x-hit.
Here is my RNG.lua gearswap file, you can see all the sets I've been using in there (I didn't adjust it yet to account for my post this morning).
http://pastebin.com/Ujn8UQLS
If you try to use it, the barrage accuracy tier bump might not work if the T{}:max() fix isn't in live yet.
Here's how I've been using the accuracy tiers:
For DM Normal:
Pot-Au-Feu + low accuracy set for everything excpet Mithra. Gun users might need a little more accuracy. For Mithra I switch to Medium. And we sub /NIN for safety on TT.
For VD AAs:
Squid Sushi +1 plus low or medium accuracy for all of them except mithra, where I use high accuracy. Hurlbat and use WAR sub for everything except TT.
My buffs are normally 1prelude+restMinuet with a 2~3 song BRD and chaos/courser. You can work RCB into most of the fights if you have a stronger BRD or feel like testing/tweaking accuracy requirements further.
That's it, pretty much.
Bismarck.Marmite
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By Bismarck.Marmite 2014-02-04 01:49:25
You appear to have left out Nahtirah Trousers from your Snapshot build. Other than that, very nice job on your gearswap. How do you toggle low, med, high sets in game?
Phoenix.Suji
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By Phoenix.Suji 2014-02-04 01:59:03
You appear to have left out Nahtirah Trousers from your Snapshot build. Other than that, very nice job on your gearswap. How do you toggle low, med, high sets in game? wow, thanks. I had it in there but I must have deleted it accidentally at some point (hopefully recently!).
As for your question, look at line 287; it prints out a little UI guide when it gets loaded.
Edit: I should mention that I'm just sort of writing it as needed and there are still some issues. If you want a really full-featured RNG.lua, writing one using Motenten's framework would be a lot better.
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By Bismarck.Marmite 2014-02-04 02:05:11
Awesome, thank you!
Edit: It's the best way to learn imo. Great job!
Carbuncle.Dagget
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By Carbuncle.Dagget 2014-02-04 03:55:38
wasnt meant to come off as an insult or anything I wasn't sure how a 4hit would work for me since i dont have Tripudio Earring nor Kyujutsugi.
So without those 2 items does that change my whole build or can I still pull it off? Also didnt post any RACC sets for when it is needed.
Assume the Daggers are STR rank? Well, you did ask for best or near best! :p Like Zerowone said, it's a starting point. And no, 4hit is a still a mess without those two pieces. It's only barely viable with what I posted (assuming I didn't make a mistake).
The 5-hit low acc alternative is pretty much what you'd expect... swap stp stuff for more strength/ratt. Although, due to RNG's Conserve TP trait along with the usage of the elemental belt, Store TP benefits DoT even if it isn't changing your x-hit.
Here is my RNG.lua gearswap file, you can see all the sets I've been using in there (I didn't adjust it yet to account for my post this morning).
http://pastebin.com/Ujn8UQLS
If you try to use it, the barrage accuracy tier bump might not work if the T{}:max() fix isn't in live yet.
Here's how I've been using the accuracy tiers:
For DM Normal:
Pot-Au-Feu + low accuracy set for everything excpet Mithra. Gun users might need a little more accuracy. For Mithra I switch to Medium. And we sub /NIN for safety on TT.
For VD AAs:
Squid Sushi +1 plus low or medium accuracy for all of them except mithra, where I use high accuracy. Hurlbat and use WAR sub for everything except TT.
My buffs are normally 1prelude+restMinuet with a 2~3 song BRD and chaos/courser. You can work RCB into most of the fights if you have a stronger BRD or feel like testing/tweaking accuracy requirements further.
That's it, pretty much.
You cap acc on VD AA's with your low acc set without double preludes / hunters?
Phoenix.Suji
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By Phoenix.Suji 2014-02-04 08:46:08
You cap acc on VD AA's with your low acc set without double preludes / hunters? Sometimes we have more buffs due to an outside BRD, so I can sometimes get away with it on the less evasive ones. And then there's Namas AM which is Bow's only real advantage over gun.
The main point is to watch your parse and if you're missing, use more accuracy.
Bismarck.Snprphnx
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-02-04 14:03:23
Is there a way to set scoreboard up to show accuracy as well as dps?
Right now I'm using kparser but it doesn't refresh fast enough an I would like something on my UI
Sylph.Talon
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By Sylph.Talon 2014-02-04 15:07:24
sb reportstat racc p
Supported stats are: acc, racc, crit, rcrit, wsavg
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-02-04 15:24:58
//sb rs racc p also works. //sb report p is the general parser information.
Bismarck.Snprphnx
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-02-04 15:54:48
awesome. thanks
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-02-04 16:15:58
so, more specifically. can the on screen dps UI show r.acc, without getting the text report in the chatlog?
Phoenix.Suji
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By Phoenix.Suji 2014-02-05 00:02:08
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »so, more specifically. can the on screen dps UI show r.acc, without getting the text report in the chatlog? Not yet, it's something I'm adding though. Just been super lazy and distracted.
By Kyler 2014-02-05 00:43:18
I use this as my base set on VD AA and change things slightly for each mob
Max racc(mostly) while still 5 hitting (10stp namas/jishnu)
ItemSet 302273
Capped on pretty everything with 1 prelude and hunters w/o food. Usually only use sushi for mithra
Swaps would be Earring(s) for Vulcan's
2nd legs for natirah
3rd earring with rings (rajas+pyro)
4th back buqwik and waist beir+1
Staggering decoy shot with the other RNGs helps, spam jishnus with decoy up and namas when it's down. There is a significant enough difference to try and squeeze in Jish where you can. Never had a problem with hate but we're always /drg. Fealty and asylum easily take care of a charm window for mithra.
Other than that I usually high jump 30 seconds or so after decoy/jishnus and switch to namas.
Haven't even found camouflage to be that useful but if I do I just save up to 300 just before decoy is up and open with namas+barrage and then back to jishnus.
By lhova 2014-02-05 16:52:24
Hey Kyler,
I've yet to try VD with my current set but I'm curious with Pot-au-feu do you think that this set will cap with similar buffs that you had?
ItemSet 319128
The Ituiti wristbands also have Racc +5 so I figured they were pretty good in slot for R. Acc. I will also post my JR WS set, let me know what you think of this also for VD.
ItemSet 319410
I know that I could upgrade the earrings and the AF gear will be upgraded to +1 soon but its hard swapping everything when you are playing on 360. Even the precast/tp set is kinda slow to the point where I'm debating just making a hybrid set with one macro and taking my chances. We did a Norm DM and though I was the second Rng in the parse the Anni Rng literally doubled my parse. He must have ws alot more that I did but I've noticed that in my tp set I'm only getting 19 tp per melee so I'm on a 6 hit which is killing my dps. THanks for any info/advice.
By Kyler 2014-02-05 16:58:31
On everything but mithra and maybe hume more than likely.
Carbuncle.Dagget
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By Carbuncle.Dagget 2014-02-06 02:47:19
Hey Kyler,
I've yet to try VD with my current set but I'm curious with Pot-au-feu do you think that this set will cap with similar buffs that you had?
ItemSet 319128
The Ituiti wristbands also have Racc +5 so I figured they were pretty good in slot for R. Acc. I will also post my JR WS set, let me know what you think of this also for VD.
ItemSet 319410
I know that I could upgrade the earrings and the AF gear will be upgraded to +1 soon but its hard swapping everything when you are playing on 360. Even the precast/tp set is kinda slow to the point where I'm debating just making a hybrid set with one macro and taking my chances. We did a Norm DM and though I was the second Rng in the parse the Anni Rng literally doubled my parse. He must have ws alot more that I did but I've noticed that in my tp set I'm only getting 19 tp per melee so I'm on a 6 hit which is killing my dps. THanks for any info/advice.
Should try and get the Lutian (or Libbecco which is an easy quick aby drop) mantle with Hunters+ double lude and P-A-F, you should cap on everything but Mithra. Mithra is a struggle without Sushi (unless SV'd ludes). You should be able to silde in Scouts+2 with the preludes (especially SV'd against the lower evasion AAs)
At the least you should swap to scout's beret +2 (fix the TP issues) while using Ej necklace (or hope torque if you cant find one). No -enmity loss, minimal to no accuracy loss, and a huge bonus to DPS
ItemSet 318866
This is my High ACC set
my LowACC set i was 85% ACC on AATT. (replace neck/legs/ring) without hunters using PAF +1 and double preludes (it's ~-40 acc from the previous set meaning it should be around your sets acc.). which is about the same accuracy your set contains (due to weapon skill and lutain cape/HQ hajduk) so for the taru and things less evasive you will cap with PAF+1 and hunter's roll with double preludes Or Sushi and double preludes. You will probably need everything on the mithra to gain a decent hitrate.
On the subject of x-hits, after getting Kyujutsugi and Tripudio I started wondering if a yoichi 4-hit might be more viable now.
I found this 4-hit, which is 3% DPS higher than what I was using in my low-acc setup before. This is aimed at Normal difficulty DM (can sub whatever you feel safe with but we use /NIN).
TP:
ItemSet 319326
Namas:
ItemSet 319327
Thoughts? I'm wondering if I can make this better. You sacrifice some stats to get the 4-hit but the spreadsheet says it's worth it by a nice margin.
This set should only be used with Hunter's/Ludes/permenant namas AM and Sushi its losing over 45 acc including namas am unless you switch out to Hurlbat) from my LowACC set (which was about 20 ACC from capping on TT with Ghorn ludes.) Unless sushi caps significantly higher (60+ points) than PAF+1.
If any of your buffs fall (namely Namas AM) you're going to have a tough time hitting until its back up. The set probably isn't viable on HM without double SV ludes and sushi. Although, with the right buffs / mob, it probably partially bridges the massive gap between gun and bow.
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