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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-06-02 06:35:23
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2 questions
1. Novia w/ Yoichi?
2. Wonder how Pot-au-Feu stands as it's the in-between food? Might bring you up to cap while still giving you the RAtk as well.
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By Sylph.Washburn 2013-06-02 07:57:17
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Did anyone ever figure out the racc cap on pot au feu? And, yeah, if you have either hunters roll or archers prelude, with sushi you should be able to just about cap racc. Without songs/rolls while using racc set and sushi, my acc was garbage, but just 1 song or roll seemed to make a huge difference. Hence the reason i just /cor for PUG runs.
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By Shiva.Kinzu 2013-06-02 11:30:25
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According to the guide, a 4 hit with Yoichi is 41 STP + proc from Beret +2 correct?

That means a 5 hit should be about 31-33 STP + proc from + Beret?

Just want to make sure my Mid Acc(fodder content) set has the appropriate build.

Thanks!
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By Asura.Kurriko 2013-06-02 12:18:36
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Bismarck.Helel said: »
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For that "optimal" TP set above, Khepri would be better than AF3 feet.

He said post STR/AGI adjustment, if you're referring to Generic. AF3 are better. Khepri is still an option for bow users.

15*0.75= 11.25 = 11 or 12.
7 skill gives 6 racc in this instance (assume 8 merits)
Best case scenario AF3 gives 18 Racc 7 Ratk
Khepri give 18 Racc 15 Ratk.

I did not say Kheper, it would appear you lack either basic math or basic reading skills. I'm not sure which.
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By Bismarck.Raistlinratt 2013-06-02 12:31:30
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Asura.Kurriko said: »
Bismarck.Helel said: »
Asura.Kurriko said: »
For that "optimal" TP set above, Khepri would be better than AF3 feet.

He said post STR/AGI adjustment, if you're referring to Generic. AF3 are better. Khepri is still an option for bow users.

15*0.75= 11.25 = 11 or 12.
7 skill gives 6 racc in this instance (assume 8 merits)
Best case scenario AF3 gives 18 Racc 7 Ratk
Khepri give 18 Racc 15 Ratk.

I did not say Kheper, it would appear you lack either basic math or basic reading skills. I'm not sure which.

If we are going to have a contest to see who can be the biggest ***, I assure you I will win

also: AGI for crit rate? lol 1more -enmity and the set bonus?
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-06-02 14:20:45
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Asura.Kurriko said: »
Bismarck.Helel said: »
Asura.Kurriko said: »
For that "optimal" TP set above, Khepri would be better than AF3 feet.

He said post STR/AGI adjustment, if you're referring to Generic. AF3 are better. Khepri is still an option for bow users.

15*0.75= 11.25 = 11 or 12.
7 skill gives 6 racc in this instance (assume 8 merits)
Best case scenario AF3 gives 18 Racc 7 Ratk
Khepri give 18 Racc 15 Ratk.

I did not say Kheper, it would appear you lack either basic math or basic reading skills. I'm not sure which.

The hell is your problem? You even quoted me, and I said khepri. Clearly, you lack both basic reading skills, and any understanding of what AGI actually does for RNG. Sylvan adds almost the exact same ranged accuracy, and increases critical hit rate, and increases double damage proc rate (minor but whatever). If pDIF is capped, AF3 CLEARLY wins, which it absolutely will be in any situation where you need this much accuracy. Anyone doing these bosses is rotating angons, geo, dia, etc.

Best I can say is khepri is best for fodder mobs, but I'm not sure why you would ever need accuracy for them.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-06-02 14:31:18
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Shiva.Kinzu said: »
According to the guide, a 4 hit with Yoichi is 41 STP + proc from Beret +2 correct?

That means a 5 hit should be about 31-33 STP + proc from + Beret?

Just want to make sure my Mid Acc(fodder content) set has the appropriate build.

Thanks!

No. Technically, you need 0 store tp if you TP and weapon skill in beret +2. 15.1 + 5 = 20.1*5 = 100.5

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Did anyone ever figure out the racc cap on pot au feu? And, yeah, if you have either hunters roll or archers prelude, with sushi you should be able to just about cap racc. Without songs/rolls while using racc set and sushi, my acc was garbage, but just 1 song or roll seemed to make a huge difference. Hence the reason i just /cor for PUG runs.

Tried using pot on tojil, and it was absolutely horrible. I had to switch to sushi mid-fight. It'd probably be fine on regular NMs though. Pot worked fine for raptor, and he's slightly evasive. I haven't tried it vs. mastop, but I'd probably stick to sushi for him. Everything else you can probably get away with RCB (assuming full buffs).

Sylph.Mirvana said: »
2 questions
1. Novia w/ Yoichi?
2. Wonder how Pot-au-Feu stands as it's the in-between food? Might bring you up to cap while still giving you the RAtk as well.

1. Novia is good
2. (above)
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By Shiva.Kinzu 2013-06-02 16:47:13
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Bismarck.Helel said: »
Shiva.Kinzu said: »
According to the guide, a 4 hit with Yoichi is 41 STP + proc from Beret +2 correct?

That means a 5 hit should be about 31-33 STP + proc from + Beret?

Just want to make sure my Mid Acc(fodder content) set has the appropriate build.

Thanks!

No. Technically, you need 0 store tp if you TP and weapon skill in beret +2. 15.1 + 5 = 20.1*5 = 100.5


Thanks!
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-06-02 17:41:40
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For anyone interested in store TP calculations, the process is basically, ((100-(tp gained from weapon skill))/(x-1))-5

x is the x-hit build you're aiming for. You need to subtract 1 because weapon skill counts already as 1 hit. The -5 is the TP gained from scout's beret.

(100-15.1)/4 - 5 = 16.2
(yoichi gives 15.1 TP per hit)

That formula gives you the amount of TP you need per hit. Then you need to divide that amount of TP by the amount of TP you normally get without any store TP.

16.2/15.1 = 1.08 (always round up here, otherwise you will be left with 99 TP occasionally).

Thus you need 8 store TP for 5-hit build with yoichi+beret +2, assuming no store TP in your weapon skill build.

15.1 * 1.08 = 16.3

(16.3 + 5)*4 = 85.2

85.2 + 15.1 = 100.3
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-02 17:45:18
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By Asura.Kurriko 2013-06-02 18:52:10
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Bismarck.Helel said: »
The hell is your problem?

Bismarck.Raistlinratt said: »
If we are going to have a contest to see who can be the biggest ***, I assure you I will win
Getting very upset about someone telling you your wrong on the internet. Cry me a river.


Bismarck.Helel said: »
Sylvan adds almost the exact same ranged accuracy, and increases critical hit rate,
Bismarck.Raistlinratt said: »
also: AGI for crit rate? lol 1more -enmity and the set bonus?
Assuming delve nm have roughly 120 agi I would be around 200AGI with the proposed set. That's 30 AGI over the ddex cap. Without boots that'd be 15 over ddex cap. Guess how much crit rate +15 AGI adds when you're dAGI caapped? I'll give you a clue it's between 0 and 0.
If we assume Mega Boss has about 160 AGI, the set you proposed is not going to even reach the sweet dAGI range and once again +AGI will be adding nothing (or very little) to your crit rate.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Recommending a piece of equipment that is only better when it hits the dDex/dAgi sweet spot over a different piece that is better the rest of the time is never a good idea unless you know the specific stats of the mob, the player's race and if they have dex/agi merited.

Quite why you're getting so butthurt because someone disagreed that your optimum set is optimum is beyond me. What is the point of posting an optimum set if not to get feedback?

Edit: I've used pchan's estimations for enemy AGI. Whilst he is a colossal tool, his math is often accurate.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2013-06-02 19:08:31
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Assuming the Bee has 160AGI, without Sylvan feet you would be at 14dAGI which would give you 2% crit rate from dAGI. Adding Sylvan feet and Sylvan earring in place of the Vulcan's pearl would put you at 33dAGI for 4% crit rate let alone with those 2 pieces you just added -10 enmity putting you at -49 enmity with Coro AM. Not using Sylvan feet in that set is just stupid. We're talking 2% crit rate and -10 enmity vs 9 ratt.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-06-02 20:38:27
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Asura.Kurriko said: »
Bismarck.Helel said: »
The hell is your problem?

Bismarck.Raistlinratt said: »
If we are going to have a contest to see who can be the biggest ***, I assure you I will win
Getting very upset about someone telling you your wrong on the internet. Cry me a river.


Bismarck.Helel said: »
Sylvan adds almost the exact same ranged accuracy, and increases critical hit rate,
Bismarck.Raistlinratt said: »
also: AGI for crit rate? lol 1more -enmity and the set bonus?
Assuming delve nm have roughly 120 agi I would be around 200AGI with the proposed set. That's 30 AGI over the ddex cap. Without boots that'd be 15 over ddex cap. Guess how much crit rate +15 AGI adds when you're dAGI caapped? I'll give you a clue it's between 0 and 0.
If we assume Mega Boss has about 160 AGI, the set you proposed is not going to even reach the sweet dAGI range and once again +AGI will be adding nothing (or very little) to your crit rate.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Recommending a piece of equipment that is only better when it hits the dDex/dAgi sweet spot over a different piece that is better the rest of the time is never a good idea unless you know the specific stats of the mob, the player's race and if they have dex/agi merited.

Quite why you're getting so butthurt because someone disagreed that your optimum set is optimum is beyond me. What is the point of posting an optimum set if not to get feedback?

Edit: I've used pchan's estimations for enemy AGI. Whilst he is a colossal tool, his math is often accurate.

Do you have any idea what dAGI is? 200-120 is 80. 80/10 is 8%. How the **** are you getting capped dAGI?

Edit: It's not my optimum set either. Generic was the one who posted, and he was correct. You said he was wrong, so I was correcting you. You obviously got way more pissed than I did when I told you were wrong, implying that I couldn't do basic math, hence why I asked what the hell your problem was.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-06-02 21:24:37
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And btw, there is no dAGI sweet spot. That only applies to dDEX. dAGI is a constant increase to critical hit rate, which requires a TON of a AGI to cap. I should put this on the front page, I suppose, if people really thought dDEX and dAGI were the same thing.
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By Bismarck.Raistlinratt 2013-06-02 21:51:05
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Asura.Kurriko said: »
Bismarck.Helel said: »
The hell is your problem?

Bismarck.Raistlinratt said: »
If we are going to have a contest to see who can be the biggest ***, I assure you I will win
Getting very upset about someone telling you your wrong on the internet. Cry me a river.


Bismarck.Helel said: »
Sylvan adds almost the exact same ranged accuracy, and increases critical hit rate,
Bismarck.Raistlinratt said: »
also: AGI for crit rate? lol 1more -enmity and the set bonus?
Assuming delve nm have roughly 120 agi I would be around 200AGI with the proposed set. That's 30 AGI over the ddex cap. Without boots that'd be 15 over ddex cap. Guess how much crit rate +15 AGI adds when you're dAGI caapped? I'll give you a clue it's between 0 and 0.
If we assume Mega Boss has about 160 AGI, the set you proposed is not going to even reach the sweet dAGI range and once again +AGI will be adding nothing (or very little) to your crit rate.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Recommending a piece of equipment that is only better when it hits the dDex/dAgi sweet spot over a different piece that is better the rest of the time is never a good idea unless you know the specific stats of the mob, the player's race and if they have dex/agi merited.

Quite why you're getting so butthurt because someone disagreed that your optimum set is optimum is beyond me. What is the point of posting an optimum set if not to get feedback?

Edit: I've used pchan's estimations for enemy AGI. Whilst he is a colossal tool, his math is often accurate.

wtf? i had nothing to do with it, the way you worded your post, was specifically to be an ***. You were being a douche, deal with it. The only reason I responded was the way you worded your post. I had not said anything previously, idk why you quoting me.

also a lot of situations are making you att capped. 5 minuets, super def down, zerk, red curry bun, etc. that 7ratt more will do less for you way more than the 15agi for crit rate and more -enmity is doing. Just fyi
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By Sylph.Knala 2013-06-02 22:26:09
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Bismarck.Helel said: »
For anyone interested in store TP calculations, the process is basically, ((100-(tp gained from weapon skill))/(x-1))-5

x is the x-hit build you're aiming for. You need to subtract 1 because weapon skill counts already as 1 hit. The -5 is the TP gained from scout's beret.

(100-15.1)/4 - 5 = 16.2
(yoichi gives 15.1 TP per hit)

That formula gives you the amount of TP you need per hit. Then you need to divide that amount of TP by the amount of TP you normally get without any store TP.

16.2/15.1 = 1.08 (always round up here, otherwise you will be left with 99 TP occasionally).

Thus you need 8 store TP for 5-hit build with yoichi+beret +2, assuming no store TP in your weapon skill build.

15.1 * 1.08 = 16.3

(16.3 + 5)*4 = 85.2

85.2 + 15.1 = 100.3

Nice similar process i used when ever i wanted to do a hit build calculation for a job. For some reason i really enjoyed doing the math for it <.<; thought that this process had been posted somewhere before though.
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By Siren.Barber 2013-06-02 22:29:38
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There are threads on Alla and KI (if it still exists) that give TP/hit for bow/gun/xbow using the different delays of the different weapons within each category. All of them are very old so they don't have the relic +2 hat incorporated, but the rest of the numbers still work. Just have to add the hat.
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-06-02 22:39:50
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Overshooting by few extra StoreTP if you don't have to trade off too much gear won't hurt if you wanna hedge against that 5% of shots that won't recycle.
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By Asura.Kurriko 2013-06-03 00:02:15
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Bismarck.Helel said: »
And btw, there is no dAGI sweet spot. That only applies to dDEX. dAGI is a constant increase to critical hit rate, which requires a TON of a AGI to cap. I should put this on the front page, I suppose, if people really thought dDEX and dAGI were the same thing.
That is interesting and not something I'd known. Even with double checking wiki/ls I thought it acted like dDex. Good to know, thanks.

Bismarck.Raistlinratt said: »
You were being a douche, deal with it.
Take your own advice. I was being a douche, but it is you who needs to deal with it.
Bismarck.Raistlinratt said: »
The only reason I responded was the way you worded your post.
And why did you feel the need to do that exactly? If the post was not directed at you, and you had no input on the comparisons, why did you post at all? It seems to have done nothing except get you mildly worked up.
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By Asura.Kurriko 2013-06-03 00:11:54
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Bismarck.Helel said: »
You obviously got way more pissed than I did when I told you were wrong,
Obviously.
"It seems you lack basic reading or math skills" is quite blatantly a much more agitated and pissed off response than "what the hell is your problem?" and "How the **** are you..."

But I digress, this is off topic now that I've been corrected about my dAgi assumptions so I'll leave it here. Feel free respond telling me how I'm wrong or you're not pissed or whatever you feel necessary in order to get the last word in. I know the majority of posters on the internet feel the need for that. Not saying you do or not, but if it'll satisfy you emotionally, go for it.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-06-03 01:13:03
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Asura.Kurriko said: »
Bismarck.Helel said: »
You obviously got way more pissed than I did when I told you were wrong,
Obviously.
"It seems you lack basic reading or math skills" is quite blatantly a much more agitated and pissed off response than "what the hell is your problem?" and "How the **** are you..."

But I digress, this is off topic now that I've been corrected about my dAgi assumptions so I'll leave it here. Feel free respond telling me how I'm wrong or you're not pissed or whatever you feel necessary in order to get the last word in. I know the majority of posters on the internet feel the need for that. Not saying you do or not, but if it'll satisfy you emotionally, go for it.

I asked you what the hell your problem was because you were clearly being a douche, which is annoying not only because I have no idea who you are, but because you're attempting to insult me with incorrect information. Normal people provide their reasons for believing whatever it is they believe, correct or not, and then ask in a non-condescending manner, why option A is better than option B. Instead, you immediately attacked me for no reason. I wasn't even impolite in my initial reply to you. You need to learn some serious people skills.

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Feel free respond telling me how I'm wrong or you're not pissed or whatever you feel necessary in order to get the last word in. I know the majority of posters on the internet feel the need for that. Not saying you do or not, but if it'll satisfy you emotionally, go for it.

Your turn.
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By Bismarck.Raistlinratt 2013-06-03 15:33:46
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Asura.Kurriko said: »
Bismarck.Helel said: »
And btw, there is no dAGI sweet spot. That only applies to dDEX. dAGI is a constant increase to critical hit rate, which requires a TON of a AGI to cap. I should put this on the front page, I suppose, if people really thought dDEX and dAGI were the same thing.
That is interesting and not something I'd known. Even with double checking wiki/ls I thought it acted like dDex. Good to know, thanks.

Bismarck.Raistlinratt said: »
You were being a douche, deal with it.
Take your own advice. I was being a douche, but it is you who needs to deal with it.
Bismarck.Raistlinratt said: »
The only reason I responded was the way you worded your post.
And why did you feel the need to do that exactly? If the post was not directed at you, and you had no input on the comparisons, why did you post at all? It seems to have done nothing except get you mildly worked up.

I did give input. 15 agi for crit rate and -1 enmity more. I further went on to explain that in most situations, the aforementioned boosts will do more than the 7ratt you are getting with khepri, 'but apparently you lack basic reading skills'. I prefaced the post with the douche thing, because you were very clearly trying to be a douche for no reason. I realized I shouldn't have bothered after I checked which LS you were associated with, some people just like to be ***. You win 'bro', I'll go sit in the corner getting mildly worked up and nerd raging.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2013-06-03 16:40:51
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So much drama in a job guide thread, damn niqqa
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By Ragnarok.Azryel 2013-06-03 18:34:09
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Anyone know what the snapshot value is for Manibozho gloves?
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-06-03 18:42:42
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Talking about crit rate,not to agree/disagree with anyone, but as a rng on stuff like Bee I don't really like random crit for 3k when decoy is down -.-
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget 2013-06-03 23:22:48
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Asura.Ccl said: »
Talking about crit rate,not to agree/disagree with anyone, but as a rng on stuff like Bee I don't really like random crit for 3k when decoy is down -.-


You can pop Camouflage and not WS until it falls off, after Decoy Shot wears off if you're that worried about it. I haven't gotten a chance to try my ranged accuracy set out on Muyingwa yet, so idk, lol.
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2013-06-04 12:04:46
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If you aren't too busy, (you probably are.) can you make some KC gearsets? Also when/where it would be applicable to use one, etc? ^_^
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By Bismarck.Jarlax 2013-06-04 12:21:49
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Bahamut.Greyfawkz said: »
If you aren't too busy, (you probably are.) can you make some KC gearsets? Also when/where it would be applicable to use one, etc? ^_^

Here is the one that I am currently working with. Focused on haste, without going beyond the cap, ensuring no DA/TA etc, and stacking ACC/ATT. Then tossed in torque for added skill.

ItemSet 277871

When do I use it, dyna when I am with friends, aby for merits, random events where I want to spam JR. Haven't gotten to use it in much end game though.
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By Sylph.Decimus 2013-06-04 12:34:22
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Manibozho head and body regardless of augments are probably better, mostly in terms of having uses outside of rng kraken clubbing off the top of my head.
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By Asura.Kurriko 2013-06-04 12:46:46
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You could also look at the two accuracy halves of the DW+7 and DA+7 sets. People might give you funny looks because they won't match, but that's still 16 Acc in the ears which is pretty good.
I'm not sure at which points STP marks a significant increase in WS frequency, but Skadi's Mask could be an option, similar acc and STP+4.

Tbh anything you'd use Kracken Club on shouldn't be overly high level and evasive. You could probably afford to lose some acc even. If you're going the STP route with skadi's mask, maybe skadi legs and goading belt too would help increase WS frequency. Like I said I really haven't looked into it to see if/where there's significant WS frequency jumps.
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