Personal experience, I usually kill Neak in 2 SC, with each SC doing 50% of hp or at least close to 50%. If it has close to 1m hp then Id be doing 500k dmg per sc which just isn't possible.

It's eyeballing but 400k hp to 1m is massive difference to get it wrong.

I am not completely sure, maybe 4~5 seconds.

As others have pointed out, your test is garbage. You don't have an accurate measurement of Maju's HP. If you're still in disbelief (which I am not sure you are, it seems more like invincible ignorance to me) and want an easy test, go experiment with Byakko/Sajj'aka/August. Those mobs take some increase dark damage. You can free nuke Death for 100k without exceptional buffs. If you could do more than 100k a magic burst of even just 1 Death (with good buffs) would one shot them. I have done these fights countless times though and can tell Death, like everything else, is capped at 100k per hit.

His test is garbage........you sound like a 30+ year old that started playing this game when you were a teenager and still have the mindset of one. He is trying to have a valid talk about something and figure it out and you are not even adding to the community you are just trying to bash him in your posts. Be a little more humble and fix your attitude to be helpful and this will be much easier to figure out because I too have yet to see a post that shows exactly how much Death does because if it caps at 99999, most BLMs are using the wrong gear.

Death has no DoT!

Death has DoT on it? ***I need to read descriptions more. Had no idea ><

Lets see if we can get people to believe it does though. How many people just blindly read the forums and take everything as truth?

Oh.... Please explain why this clearly isnt correct? Are you trying to sell us that BG-WIKI HP estimate is wrong. PREPOSTEROUS

In my head as I read that

To be honest, after seeing what Afania said about Neak, now I want to go do my own test. At the time it seemed crazy that the wiki would toss out a number that was off by over 25% but that was the only number I could find for Maju when I searched (albeit a quick search). But Afania's estimate for Neak is less than half for an NM of the same tier so now I don't know. But that number was an eyeball number also. So I will try to keep tabs on our numbers as we do these NM's over the next week or so and see if I can get my own HP estimate.

The thing that is annoying though is that you guys are shitting all over the numbers I'm providing but aren't willing to provide any of your own. I've already stated that I'm totally fine with it if it turns out I'm wrong but I want it to be based on a test done with the spell in question on a mob that doesn't have a *** damage multiplier gimmick coded into it. It seems like a reasonable request. It just blows my mind that a community that is so gung-ho about numbers and proof is being so combative about providing actual numbers to back up their "I told you so's". Sad part here is that I'm not even trying to be right. I'm just trying to find out what is correct in the game mechanics.

when you challenge an established convention, the burden of proof is on you

if your numbers are right and you post a video backing them up, i'm sure people will be eager to test it

until then, they are just assuming(as am i) that you're a moron

And Snaps, I honestly don't care whether you believe it's disbelief or ignorance or anything else. It seems like all you care to do in this thread is talk about how right you are and troll me even though I've already stated that I'm just looking for some numerical verification. Im already trying to do tests and I'm fine with the result either way. Maybe I had a flawed test, but up to this point all you've provided is snark and trolling and opinion. Feel free to post a test that proves your point and I'll be happy to know the truth about the mechanics of the game. But you can shove your personal attacks and your opinions (which is what they are until you post numbers to back them up) up your ***.

I'm posting the numbers we are getting during the fights. They aren't doctored. I've already said on several occasions that I'm fine if it turns out that Death is capped. I just want to know what's true. I've also stated that I'll keep taking data. I've got no reason to lie about the numbers. In the meantime I guess your contribution to it is to insult/troll. Thanks for contributing.

In the time it took you to respond to everyone, you could have easily tested this out in game.

Vs. Peirithoos with BLM + SCH and trusts
MB Death - 99999, 46% of its hp
MB Death + Soldier's Drink - 99999, 46% of its hp

He may sound rude but his points are way more legit than Datass. Datass basically come to the forum, claiming death breaks cap because he eyeballed 2% difference, then proceed to claim others test isn't legit, and refuse to provide a test with soldiers.

If he really want to have a "valid" talk, action speaks louder than word, do something instead of popping on the forum and arguing with eyeballed result of 2% hp.

I BLAME OBAMA

I didn't say the test wasn't legit, I said it didn't test the spell Death because Death was never casted during the test. It also involved a mob with special damage multiplier mechanics that differ from the mobs we were discussing. However, someone right above just posted a test that shows pretty strong evidence that it is capped at 100k. I'll try it myself for verification but in the interim I'll just assume his/her test is valid. My idea that death was breaking cap looks like it's wrong. My mistake. Thanks for being such good sports about he whole thing...

If we are gearing so far past a 100k barrier that can't be broken it stands to reason that instead we should be stacking more occult acumen so we can just myrkr back up to almost full on mobs that can't be aspir'd well.

You're right, I was acting a bit childishly. Your take on the discussion is a stretch though. My tone changed from factual to rude after it became clear he cared more about winning an internet argument than meaningful discussion and facts.

We aren't really, though. On easier mobs, sure, but they die fast enough that you won't ever drain them of their MP.

For harder mobs (WoC post bracelets, Reisen T4) it's actually incredibly difficult to hit 99,999 with multiple BLM even with Bolster + Gambit/Rayke. The first BLM will have no difficulty hitting the damage cap, but everyone else is boned.

I have seen death do more than 99,999 damage 1 single time.
The one time this has occured was versus Onycophra (Reisen Worm T4).
It used a TP move as one of my LS mates casted death and healed it for 107,000 lol

I also healed that one for over 130k so i refuse to believe 99k is cap on ALL mobs.

The damage cap is still 100k, but all this proves is that the game is capable of registering a higher number on a single spell. It just... doesn't.

I tested this quite a while ago when death was released. I did ayapec with pld blm sch geo. I did sc > death and got the NM to 4% with haste/malaise then I bolstered and used acumen/malaise entrust haste (just to be sure I was getting significantly more damage) and it was still left at 4% where if it went over 99,999 at all it would've died.

Edit: Double posted

This is a fair point on which I will defer to you as I have no experience with Reisen T4's as of yet.


Thanks for posting this. That's the type of test I was hoping someone would post as confirmation one way or the other.

Shouldn't people be aiming for just under 99k on the lower nuke to see where the upper limit is?

Previous tests didn't exactly confirm a 99999 cap. They just showed that a cap exists. Those 99999s on the 'lower nuke' could've been doing over 99999 and thus the previously claimed >100k cap. Test I did should hopefully more narrowly conclude the 99999 damage cap.

Target: Lv125 Apex Eruca

First test - Melee'd an Eruca for 100607 damage; remaining HP% was 28%. ~101500 damage put it to 27%

Second test - MB Death for 99999 with a proceeding 58 damage opening skillchain; remaining HP% was 28%.

If the cap was over 100k we'd be seeing at least a 1% HP difference from the Death Burst. Since even 1500 damage above 100k would result in a 1% HP difference, it's safe to conclude that the damage cap is 99999.

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