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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2015-12-23 10:22:33
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Ragnarok.Trixi said: »
Priority on AF, Relic, and Empy to 119? I have AF coat to 119, now looking for the next. AF feet? Relic gloves, Empy legs? Or is everything basically out-classed now? Maybe some niche enfeeb/dark?

1. Empy feet for Mana Wall/Dark Magic (but they are SO broken for Mana Wall!). And it's b/c of that Mana Wall boost that they'll never be outclassed. Just know you have to keep them equipped for the duration of Mana Wall (not just have them equipped for using the ability!)

2. Relic Coat gives you extended duration on Manafont (extra 30 seconds). And as you progress in Job Points/Gifts, your Manafont becomes even more potent (pairing the job ability Manafont and Subtle Sorcery once you've put Job Points into it for the pseudo fastcast is crazy good- And unlike the Empy Feet, you only need to have Relic Coat equipped when you activate Manafont)

3. Empy Coat has a very nice reduction in elemental casting time, making it a good permanent addition to your precast set, and considering it's overall solid stats, it can carry you until you get a better nuking body piece.

A few personal notes: I use Relic hands for my dark magic set, and until recently used Artifact legs(got a good augment mix of high macc and "drain and aspir potency +9" on a pair of merlinic shalwar). Up to you at this point considering that farming Reisen stones is essentially just time AND you're getting CP/silt/etc vs. farming chapters and high cost materials to upgrade what MAY be a temporary fill. Also depends on your resources. A lot of people like Artifact Feet- I have no earthly reason why. Lots of good options for feet these days from a myriad of events, and there's nothing "unique" on AF reforged feet.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2015-12-23 10:38:53
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Sorc. Coat +2 and Archmage's Coat/+1 all give the same 30 second bonus to Manafont. There's no pressing need to upgrade it to 119.
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By Odin.Zadora 2015-12-23 11:02:53
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Ragnarok.Trixi said: »
3. Empy Coat has a very nice reduction in elemental casting time, making it a good permanent addition to your precast set, and considering it's overall solid stats, it can carry you until you get a better nuking body piece.

Isn't emp body simply a reduction in recast delay?
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2015-12-23 11:29:00
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geigei said: »
25% death burst set is a new thing?

There's no reason to be religious about capping Magic Burst Bonus. It's just another stat that should be weighed against other stats.

Good start on the sets. Many of them have wrong pieces of gear, I'll try and add some stuff later.
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-12-23 12:55:45
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For Myrkr, I explained on the itemset page that it specifically opts out of using MP specific gear that you wouldn't otherwise be using to save on inventory space, but yes that should probably be the best set (I think moonshade>influx though).

@Geigei yeah, MP is kind of a huge deal. My main uses the Death HQ MB (except I think Seshaw/Merlinic legs instead) set while my mule uses the Death NQ MB set and it was doing 18% more damage on Sovereign Behemoth. I think the gap will probably be a bit smaller once I get my mule Amalric slops, but I'm pretty sure Amalric +1 beats out capping MB dmg by a fair bit for Death.

As far as Reforges go:

1. Spaekona's Coat +1
2. Wicce Sabots +1

I don't use anything else, I've used Manafont approximately 0 times because if I ever run out of MP I have other ways of immediately getting MP back (meds/convert/sublimation/aspir/myrkr).

I don't particularly think that Wicce Coat +1 is good either because it's meant for midcast, not precast- so it doesn't actually reduce your cast time, just your recast.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2015-12-23 13:03:29
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I didn't mean to disparage your Myrkr set by any means, just missed the notice for MP only items. I agree that we have enough inventory to lug around, just wanted to weigh in.

Also, would empy legs be decent for -Jas and AM, or am I misunderstanding the effect?
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-12-23 13:05:54
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I'm honestly not too sure how the effect works... I assume it increases the duration of the elemental debuffs like Burn, but I don't know if it applies to the potency bonus of Jas. Even if it does, I don't really think sacrificing 36 MAB would be worth it, that's probably at least a good 10-15% reduction in damage.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2015-12-23 13:12:13
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Yeah, probably would only be useful for AM on element specific fights, where you don't really care too much about the damage and just want the bonus to the opposing element. If it only affects elemental debuffs and the like, I agree that it's not important.
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By Bismarck.Zuidar 2015-12-23 13:12:17
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Sylph.Oraen said: »
Also, would empy legs be decent for -Jas and AM, or am I misunderstanding the effect?

Goetia/Wicce Chausses extend the window's duration from the first cumulative magic spell (-Ja spell + Comet) cast that increases damage for the same element

base duration (60 seconds)
+1 goetia legs +15 seconds
+2 goetia legs +30 seconds

don't know how long for reforged empyrean legs

look here https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Category:Cumulative_Magic
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2015-12-23 13:58:03
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40 seconds for Wicce +1, for 100 seconds total before the bonus resets. Subsequent casts only increase the bonus, no change in duration, so only the first aja/Comet cast of a given round would (I assume) require use of the legs. Likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if casting a second aja in Wicce +1 did not alter the effect duration if the first cast invoked the base (60 second) duration.
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By geigei 2015-12-23 14:34:53
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How much mp on burst set Ramzus? 2500 still not enough to justify the burst % drop, not to mention the macc loss from using amalric over merlinic.
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-12-23 14:55:15
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2050 outside of Reisenjima. I'm already telling you that my BLM with 25% burst does more than my 40%. The formula is right there for you to manipulate and test for yourself, lol. The M. Acc loss isn't significant either unless you've got retardedly good augments on Merlinic, as Path A on Amalric exists.
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2015-12-23 15:36:05
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geigei said: »
How much mp on burst set Ramzus? 2500 still not enough to justify the burst % drop, not to mention the macc loss from using amalric over merlinic.

Have you actually done the math? For comparing Death sets, you don't need any monster stats.
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By geigei 2015-12-23 15:49:57
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Took formula from bg, (mpx3+mdmg)x(mab/mdb)x1.3burst x1.86burststuff x1.4storm x1.33darkaff.

Someone correct me if this is wrong.
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-12-23 16:05:10
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where are you getting 1.3x burst and 1.86x burst stuff? should be 56% in traits and 50% total gear cap for a total term of 2.06 unless i'm a potato and different sources of burst are calculated separately, and even then i don't know where you're getting 86 and 30 from
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By geigei 2015-12-23 16:09:52
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Is 2.06 corect, but calculated separately from 1.3 burst value.
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-12-23 16:11:11
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you're forgetting 20 from job points themself as well
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By geigei 2015-12-23 16:13:31
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Beaten -.-
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-12-23 16:16:41
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when i calculated death damage, i didn't take into consideration the 30% damage boost but that would just be a constant so it wouldn't change my outcome at all. did you make sure to cap mdmg term at 32? the only things I used in my formula were

(MP+32)*MAB*MBDmg total

I held MDB constant at 1, and didn't bother including affinity+weather bonuses since they'd remain at 35 and 33 regardless of what set I was using. I did try a case with twilight cape where I did add the affinity term in but I couldn't get twilight cape to be better.
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By geigei 2015-12-23 16:29:16
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Mab/Mdb need to be calculated too, i took for reference 25mdb nm since most have this crap, is mab+100 / 25+100, in my case with 365mab it should be 3.72, so (mp+32)x3.72x2.06
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-12-23 16:35:25
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Here, I'll post some results I got:
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Damage	      MP	MAB	MBD	    Set
5467307.72	2164	463	1.81	4/5 Amal +1
5457435.36	2078	456	1.91	3/5 Amal +1
5410083.84	1992	448	2.01	2/5 Amal +1
5333686.08	1882	456	2.06	Mujin Band


1st one is my proposed Death HQ

2nd one is the same set but with 40 MAB 10 MB Merlinic Crackows

3rd one is the same as 2nd set but with 40MAB 10MB Merlinic Jubbah

4th one is the same as 3rd set but with Mujin Band instead of Mephitas's Ring +1.

Basically you need capped Merlinic for it to be about the same, and I highly doubt you have 40MAB/10MB unless you're a lucky ***.

Also if I swap body/legs to Path A I get
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Damage        MP     MAB   MBD        Set
5349223.32	2164	453	1.81	4/5 Amal +1


Which is still higher damage than Merlinic Jubbah/Crackows +1. You'd need 33 M. Acc on Body and 20. M Acc on Feet ontop of the 40 MAB/10MB to match that so... good luck
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By geigei 2015-12-23 16:39:24
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HQ amalric pulls ahead quite a bit yea, nq falls behind merlinic tho. I think 5% burst = 45mp.
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-12-23 16:40:33
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You're right. That's why there's no NQ amalric body/feet in any of the sets outside of the weakest posted set, in which I commented "I don't think you should even be casting Death if this is your equipment"
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By geigei 2015-12-23 16:46:05
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Still not easy to burst like this, if mp not maxed on cast going to lose lot of dmg, did you make separate sets for stuff like aspir, frazzle, haste, etc?
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-12-23 16:50:09
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I haven't taken the time to make a max MP self buff/enfeeb sets yet because our RDM/GEO take care of debuffing usually, and if I need to self buff I'll do it after a Death when I'm not at full MP.
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2015-12-23 16:52:22
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It's actually fairly straightforward. There are special Aspir and Fast Cast sets included in the other gear sets he posted. You can have low MP/high MP Aspir sets in your gearswap too. You end up getting lots of TP when bursting Death to the immense amounts of MP spent, it's fairly easy to top yourself off with Myrkr between bursts if for some reason you're unable to get all of your MP back with Aspir.
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By geigei 2015-12-23 17:00:11
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I think is easier for me to make a death casting mode, i always do enhancing/enfeebling.
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-12-23 17:01:31
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That is what I did.
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2015-12-23 17:06:01
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This is what I would recommend for Death based on what's good and what's actually attainable (meaning no HQ crafting items.)

ItemSet 340525

It's nearly identical to one of the sets Ramzus posted. With good augments you can hit 100k on WoC during bracelets mode.
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By geigei 2015-12-23 17:09:26
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Rebuilding lua, thxz for the support.
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