Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

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Matsui: "Don't throw away your R/M/E weapons yet"
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By Siren.Knivesz 2013-05-19 13:44:40
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
If your weapon is not the best option because something else was released after it that was better then it is obsolete

Level 85 Empyreans were obsolete as soon as there were level 90 Empyreans

If you expected level 85 melee weapons to remain relevant to LV99 FFXI forever then you were wrong and you should feel extremely bad about it
Above quote probably wasnt aimed directly at me but in the off chance that it was I never said that empyreans level 95 and below werent obsolete (when compared to their 99 counterparts) or that they should in any way be upgraded along with their 99 versions. I was simply saying that even though the 99 versions did indeed obsolete them they were still functional and relevant for all events of their time (except maybe legion) and that disputing that and dismissing them as some of the people on here seemed to have been doing is ridiculous. Hell if anything the people with non 99s are the real winners here as they can now get a weapon (delve weapon) which obsoletes even the very weapons that they could not previously obtain to begin with. While the R/M/E are gonna get a future update, I would be wary about assuming that they would retain their place as the top weapons in the game given that the devs initially had no intention of buffing them up in the first place (relenting only after mounting pressure from player base) and have made these vague statements about not continuing to release trials to keep R/M/E weapons up to date with the current high end weapons.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-19 13:51:11
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Cerberus.Anjisnu said: »
the new shield design contest has my aegis getting a very foreboding feeling

I somehow doubt they're going to allow a single person in the entire NA community to hold a self-designed ultra god shield because he's good at dat modding.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-19 14:07:55
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Lakshmi.Likos said: »
If SE is buffing 99 REM, then 90-95 should be buffed as well.

Yes, there have been upgrades available, but they were minor upgrades, a % point or two in a parse. If you want to go that route, level 99 REM have upgrades too... finish your afterglow trial then cry for a weapon buff.


I think the point is that if SE buff pre 99 R/E/M nobody would do delve content. But if SE only buffing 99 R/E/M at least that's a decent alternative for anyone doesn't want to spend 100M+ on a weapon and delve content won't be pointless.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-19 14:09:34
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Come on, why the hell are people still saying that weapons <99 should be buffed? Get a new one or upgrade. Gtfo.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2013-05-19 14:31:50
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Come on, why the hell are people still saying that weapons <99 should be buffed? Get a new one or upgrade. Gtfo.
now maybe to spite you? xD
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-19 14:38:44
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Lakshmi.Likos said: »
If SE is buffing 99 REM, then 90-95 should be buffed as well.

Yes, there have been upgrades available, but they were minor upgrades, a % point or two in a parse. If you want to go that route, level 99 REM have upgrades too... finish your afterglow trial then cry for a weapon buff.
You could possibly make a case for 95 due to the high monetary investment, 90 definitely not.
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By duos 2013-05-19 14:58:57
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Come on, why the hell are people still saying that weapons <99 should be buffed? Get a new one or upgrade. Gtfo.

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By Voren 2013-05-19 15:03:47
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I've got an 85 almace and fully understand why only 99's would be upgraded. Those that did the work, put in the effort, and sacrificed x amount of time should reap the benefits.

Anyone can get an 85, hell some jobs can completely solo most NMs necessary for an 85, but you'll take some time soloing the plates (i.e. buying them) and riftdross.

99 yesh, anything else learn to cope or go upgrade it.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-05-19 15:06:05
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Make the 85-95s give the WS as a consolation prize. Done!
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By Bismarck.Kuroganashi 2013-05-19 15:07:34
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Voren said: »
I've got an 85 almace and fully understand why only 99's would be upgraded. Those that did the work, put in the effort, and sacrificed x amount of time should reap the benefits.

Anyone can get an 85, hell some jobs can completely solo most NMs necessary for an 85, but you'll take some time soloing the plates (i.e. buying them) and riftdross.

99 yesh, anything else learn to cope or go upgrade it.

They should have slightly modify all weapons even the 85's or make it so if you got Empy 85+ / WoE 85+ u can use that WS on any Weapon of sorts............. so at least wasn't a complete and utter waste.
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By Voren 2013-05-19 15:08:48
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Make the 85-95s give the WS as a consolation prize. Done!

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By Bismarck.Kuroganashi 2013-05-19 15:09:04
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Make the 85-95s give the WS as a consolation prize. Done!

Odd, i don't got WS on my other weapons , even tho i got emmpy 85 or 90's >.>

is this next update or something ? (didn't bother to Read the whole thing cuz i got no time tbh, helping LS and doing Reive @....@)
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-19 15:09:44
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Bismarck.Kuroganashi said: »
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Make the 85-95s give the WS as a consolation prize. Done!

Odd, i don't got WS on my other weapons , even tho i got emmpy 85 or 90's >.>

is this next update or something ? (didn't bother to Read the whole thing cuz i got no time tbh, helping LS and doing Reive @....@)
It was a suggestion, not something we know of them having any plans of them doing.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-19 15:10:00
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Make the 85-95s give the WS as a consolation prize. Done!
I agree with this. It's beyond stupid that we have to redo all the trials for woe.
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By Voren 2013-05-19 15:11:05
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Bismarck.Kuroganashi said: »
Voren said: »
I've got an 85 almace and fully understand why only 99's would be upgraded. Those that did the work, put in the effort, and sacrificed x amount of time should reap the benefits.

Anyone can get an 85, hell some jobs can completely solo most NMs necessary for an 85, but you'll take some time soloing the plates (i.e. buying them) and riftdross.

99 yesh, anything else learn to cope or go upgrade it.

They should have slightly modify all weapons even the 85's or make it so if you got Empy 85+ / WoE 85+ u can use that WS on any Weapon of sorts............. so at least wasn't a complete and utter waste.

I thought they had mentioned doing something similar to this already with WoE. And why the ***would you want to make the full empy just to use the ws when the WoE is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE easy to make by comparison.
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By Bismarck.Kuroganashi 2013-05-19 15:12:32
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Asura.Ina said: »
Bismarck.Kuroganashi said: »
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Make the 85-95s give the WS as a consolation prize. Done!

Odd, i don't got WS on my other weapons , even tho i got emmpy 85 or 90's >.>

is this next update or something ? (didn't bother to Read the whole thing cuz i got no time tbh, helping LS and doing Reive @....@)
It was a suggestion, not something we know of them having any plans of them doing.

I got both WoE and Empy , still got no WS on other weapons aside those.............. ><

and they should, cuz my Empy 90 VS new weapons , i get pwn'd to the ground (Comparing dmg) They do more dmg than I do with Merit or normal WS ><

so kinda "meh................ why do i even...."
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By Bismarck.Kuroganashi 2013-05-19 15:13:21
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Voren said: »
Bismarck.Kuroganashi said: »
Voren said: »
I've got an 85 almace and fully understand why only 99's would be upgraded. Those that did the work, put in the effort, and sacrificed x amount of time should reap the benefits.

Anyone can get an 85, hell some jobs can completely solo most NMs necessary for an 85, but you'll take some time soloing the plates (i.e. buying them) and riftdross.

99 yesh, anything else learn to cope or go upgrade it.

They should have slightly modify all weapons even the 85's or make it so if you got Empy 85+ / WoE 85+ u can use that WS on any Weapon of sorts............. so at least wasn't a complete and utter waste.

I thought they had mentioned doing something similar to this already with WoE. And why the ***would you want to make the full empy just to use the ws when the WoE is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE easy to make by comparison.

Had Empy before update and stuff ^^;
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2013-05-19 15:14:02
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Are you serious right now
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-19 15:15:01
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Bismarck.Kuroganashi said: »
I got both WoE and Empy , still got no WS on other weapons aside those.............. ><
That's because it hasn't been added yet. We don't have a timeline for it, just that the combined force of the player bases rage put it on their To Do list.
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By Bismarck.Kuroganashi 2013-05-19 15:16:49
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Asura.Ina said: »
Bismarck.Kuroganashi said: »
I got both WoE and Empy , still got no WS on other weapons aside those.............. ><
That's because it hasn't been added yet. We don't have a timeline for it, just that the combined force of the player bases rage put it on their To Do list.

oh -.-

Bummer , they should add it soon ><

would rock to have Skirmish or Delve Weapon with Empy WS :P

^^ ok back to helping LS before they eat my brains out for AFK ><

ty for the info Ina
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-19 15:17:10
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
♪This is the thread that never eeeeends.
Yes, it goes on and on, my frieeeeends.
Some people started reading it not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it just becauuuuuse...♪
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By Quetzalcoatl.Landsoul 2013-05-19 21:25:48
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Should buff the weapons as soon as you take them from the moogle box tbh.
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By Lakshmi.Watusa 2013-05-19 21:58:10
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Bismarck.Kuroganashi said: »
Asura.Ina said: »
Bismarck.Kuroganashi said: »
I got both WoE and Empy , still got no WS on other weapons aside those.............. ><
That's because it hasn't been added yet. We don't have a timeline for it, just that the combined force of the player bases rage put it on their To Do list.

oh -.-

Bummer , they should add it soon ><

would rock to have Skirmish or Delve Weapon with Empy WS :P

^^ ok back to helping LS before they eat my brains out for AFK ><

ty for the info Ina
dont worry man maybe next update XD you will get the uber xtreme dmg like the Delve guys ^_^ new dmg would be so kawaii XD (^_^)V
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-05-20 08:24:52
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Make the 85-95s give the WS as a consolation prize. Done!

I've always felt that Relic / Emp WS's should become permanent once you got the WS accessible on the weapon via some mini-quest. AM effects still only apply to the weapon itself but you've already earned the WS.
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By Ragnarok.Zeromega 2013-05-20 08:26:04
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god let this thread die already
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By Asura.Izilder 2013-05-20 08:46:23
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How salty is the ERM bandwagon vag you ask ? - i say about 131 pages and getting stronger.
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By Chyula 2013-05-20 08:46:25
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this thread will not die. bumped for more rage.!!!
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By skyehope928 2013-05-20 09:03:19
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Hi
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By Lakshmi.Feint 2013-05-20 09:42:08
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Hiiiiiii!!!
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