Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

2hr a day for 2 month of soloing will get you a 95 relic, and the same condition will get you no where on an empy. mytthic is in a special case, and I love how you ppl disregard others or multiple toons invested man power to get to that 90 stage. I'm not even going bring the 1500 plates of *** block into the comparision or the rediculous amount of work to gather ppl for vw even when it was popular while adl can be down by lowman with a good droprate compare to log watch.

People asking for RME's under 99 to be buffed need to just stop. Seriously, just stop. My weapons are as follows:

90 Badelaire +2
90 Daka +2
Near 90 Ukon
80 Almace

I started farming coins for WoE sword during 85 cap, finished the sword right after 90, as well as getting the coins for the dagger at the same time. Fast forward a bit, made the one Empy I wanted, Ukonvasara. VW is added, and we see the HMP trials, I knew right then I couldn't commit to a 99, but a 90 was good enough for me. I settled for that on Ukon. Good enough, and all that. Re-did the sword trials for Almace just because I wanted the sword model, was gonna 90 that too. Daka +2 was gonna be 99'd at some point in the future, when I got around to it.

9 months pass, I return to the game the day after Delve, and see that my almost-90 Empy's are even further behind, and the WoE weapons were just laughable. In this thread, I made mention that I didn't feel any RME under 99 should be boosted, before SE said they were gonna use the WoE version to unlock the ws.

Now? Now I'm going to redo the Great Axe trials and make me a 99 Shamash, Brunello and Khandroma and unlock those ws's when it hits. I'll also make me the h2h weapons, too.

No, those of us with under 99-RME's don't deserve the boost; we didn't finish the trials. But, we did get a bone thrown to us with the WoE unlocks. Get Ukko's, CDC, Smite with any weapon seams fair to me. I'll still be behind the 99's after they've been boosted, but not by much.

Much like the Hagun/Amano for SAM's, or the Perdu Voulge/Bravura for WAR's at 75.

Suck it up, not hard to redo some NM/VNM trials and sit in PJ buying WoE upgrade items.

If demand goes up, people will do VW just to sell cinder/dross. Shout to buy them for 2m, and you will get interest.

Doing igalima/rex, buying cinder for 2m who wants to go? Bet you will fill up fast.

99 aren't for casuals. Be happy everyone on even footing now casual or not, until we down the nakuuls soon and get the higher tier weapons.

I haven't seen /shout for these either since xpac, but I hear it still being done in LS's so who knows.

If you want it you can get it. I made my mythic when people said it was impossible due to no alex. Just work harder. You can always buy nerfication items to nerf VW mobs and low man them.

I think a lot of the issues could be resolved by making HMP/Cinder/Dross available in some way that didn't involve shouting for an alliance.

The only stage of relics that can not be done either completely alone, or with one or two other people, is the marrow stage. Delve weapons may even make that more reasonable. Empyreans are fine until the VW stages, and then you're dependent on the masses for either supply (buying them) or teaming up (farming them). A way to buy them with cruor or bayld or something else, even if quite expensive, at least prevents the content dying from becoming an impassible roadblock*. Even something like making them a drop from Meebles would work, because that can be done with a smaller group (and has other rewards, though most of those are outdated now, I guess).

Mythics, as always, remain boned.


* = yes, I know you can low man VW. You still need at least a party, just to get decent lights. The drop rates are kind of terrible, so you're asking for a LOT of help, for even one weapon. It's not even remotely feasible to expect that sort of assistance.

If you pay them, they will come. If you can't afford to, just make your delve weapon.

Wait wait wait, people seriously want their 85 and 90 Empys upgraded? Really? REALLY?

no, just no, I can see why people are being justifyedly butt hurt cause they spent 200+ million to upgrade to upgrade a weapon. People that spent a week or two and got it for free?

Honestly the 1500 plates/60 rift trials were designed with the assumption that a ton of 18-man alliances would be spamming VW as the main event of the game (which is what happened), that caused the low drop rate to be inconsequential to people building the weapon because you can just buy it from the numerous other people doing the event across your server. Also remember the plates/rifts were often side bonuses to other things people wanted. Granted, Heka's and Mekira are still pretty good, but Pil's probably out, and so is just about every item from monsters that drop the Rifts (Athos's Tabard got outdated, Weapons off Ig-Alima, Pretty much everything off Morta...I guess the cure necklace off Bismarck is still good but nobody really did Bismarck anyway).

If they don't fix it, Empyreans will probably fall into the same state Mythics were in before Salvage II as far as supply goes. Though, if the Empyrean upgrades are unremarkable, expect barely any supply at all (Nobody will want the weapons).

harp best weapon in game unless they add something way out of left field

That's true, it certainly has a broader application than the few Mythics that were good.

They should totally upgrade 85/90/95 Emps and 95 Relics. Just make it some insanely HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE amount of gil per stage. Like 50/100/150+ mil to shoot your weapon straight to 99.

Everyone wins.

are all your ideas bad? or just the ones you post here?

Not really. You'd be stupid to think you should justify having a now crappy *** 85/90/95 emp when they gave you an alternative of getting at least Emp WS from lvl 99 coin weapon.

Otherwise people should either give up and accept delve weapons or stop being lazy and grind like the rest of us did on 99 RME.

The only thing I could meet people halfway on is SE upping the drop rate on rift items, pouches and HMP singles. It's obviously an oversight on their part.

While at these times, getting a Empy 95-99 is stupidly difficult now or just near impossible. Siren doesn't even sell near 1500 Metals to make one (Pretty sure other servers to). Voidwatch has pretty much died in the cause now. Some people do Kaggen/Qilin but it isn't enough. If they set only on 99 for Dmg buffs. They need to make it more possible for Empy.

Would be cheaper to just buy the plates without farming at that point. Come on.

Yeah-- I just watched a guy shout for Qilin for about 3 hours before capping out at about 11 members. It's not impossible by any means, it's just very difficult now.

It doesn't stop the fact that this problem only applies to the less than 5% of the people remaining who genuinely want to get their weapon to 99. Everyone else is just crying over nothing-- they never intended to finish their Emp anyways and want SE to cut them some slack on being lazy.

Those 5% of the people who want to level 99 their Emp, I feel sorry for you guys truly. SE screwed you on that one.

Half way personaly to a 90-95 Almace, just short 500 heavy metal plates and rather irritated I can't seem to find any.

That said SE will probably reduce the amounts needed, otherwise it's still a stupid situation, damage increases or not.

Not sure if everyone would agree with me but I don't see why they wouldn't buff pre-99 weapons, reason I think this is because it would be the same as before anyway which is 9Dmg difference currently (for my case a two-handed weapon, Masamune). I'm one of those who only have 90 atm but really do want to finish it, i never actually started the trial with the moogle and have just been hoarding plates and cinder (420 and 1) because I was considering getting relic GK instead.

I'm one of the ones that still intends to 99 both weapons I was working on (one incomplete Relic, one Emp 85).

I'm looking ahead to the 1500 HMP stage with a bit of dread, as VW has been slow on my server since a little bit before the expansion. It's going to take a long time, I imagine, but I expect the REM upgrade to take a long time as well.

The relic won't be nearly as difficult, thankfully.

And no, I don't expect them to raise the damage on pre-99 weapons. It's in a lot of ways wasted development time, and it'd also go against Matsui's want to diminish the need for REM weapons. If they increased the damage so the lower stages were still useful in Adoulin, we'd have the situation now where a ton of people have 85s/90s that they'd use to get by.

Knowing you *have* to take them to 99 will probably deter a lot of folks, but on the whole I think I'm okay with that.

Someone did shout this week for 1300 plates on rag server and got them all within two days. But rag is a big server and in a month from now that may be different.

Really though, what do 85-95 people want? Lets just say they boosted all those weapons by 20 points. That wouldn't come close to the 99's finished and would be so outdated not only by delve weapons but any new weapon that comes out period in the future.

Perhaps 90's should not get a bonus to stats but able to unlock the empys ws, but the 99's get the 40% weapon skill bonus that 90's get 0% bonus. Even the WoE I doubt will get any bonus.

If empys get 40% bonus like 99 Relics and that would also unlock the ws to be used on any weapon then their would be enough reason to finish and it be fair for all.

I mean who would want to do a weak CDC vs a 40% bonus one?

People do trio bio or trio period Mythrics now.
People will 6 man ADL with the new weapons so he will be spammable easy. And weapons and armor will only get stronger
Empys, no two people, no tri box, and you cant spam kill a VW due to lights.

But I still would not lower the 1500 plates or 60 cinders. Up the drop rate and let t'5 all drop a pouch as well as T6.

I got all the plates I needed in less than a week on Lakshmi buying for bottom-of-the-market prices.

I am one of those people about mid way threw 2 95 trials. HMP's are about impossible to find. I work 2 jobs ATM so my play time is not much. I really wanted to finish my empys. Should have whipped out Mr Visa and bought gil to finish. Gimped now or not, I want to finish.

I haven't actually seen that much "OMFG JUST BOOST MY WEAPON". The majority of the real grumbling I've seen has been that it's going to get harder and harder to complete the final stages of the trials. So, to sum up:

Relic users grumbled because "Hey, we'll give you the WS" is not that appealing when your WS is Scourge or Geirskogul.

Non-99 Empyrean users grumbled because the later trials were about to become exponentially more difficult.

99 Empyrean users grumbled because the coin weapons are getting the WS too.

Mythic users mostly aren't complaining, I'd assume this is a late-stage phase of Stockholm Syndrome.

[edit: The one complaint I've seen from Mythic users has been that they're trading a unique weapon that complements the job (like Terpsichore, for instance) for a generic high damage option. That's completely legitimate and if anyone gets real adjustments going forward, it should be the mythics, for that reason alone.]

You mean kill both clones right? Cause 6 man ADL happened more than one year ago.

Which would still take months to do for a Mythic or good luck getting people who will stay to help you get Mythic.

Qilin is still the best for Pouches due to how easy he is to kill. Just allowing pouches on T5-T6 and higher drop rates won't sort the problem. You still need an alliance to even get the drop rate. Besides, Voidwatch is seriously broken for drops. Upping the percentage of Pouches still won't stop the Crystals/Junk going over it mostly.

A person that far into a mythic* has already done more work than anyone with a 80-90empy or 95relic. Think about it.

*(especially considering they probably had a good deal of that Alex built up during pre-salvage II prices to be that far along.)

If they use delve weapons or get the AH ones in the next month or two a six man is possible. And who knows what new gear will come between June and August. But yes I do think he will be six manned soon. Maybe not by next week, but defiantly by the end of the year if not much earlier.

It did happened more than year ago for 6 man ADL. Been on youtube and plenty of kills.

Very difficult doesn't mean impossible. 99's should have been finished long ago if you were really serious about doing it.

You don't need to cap lights to get pouches and plates. Trying and killing is still progress. Won't progress if you dont' try. Make some friends, put on your try hard pants and go for it. If you truely feel it's impossible, oh well farm a delve weapon that's light years beyond what you were using anyways. But but but it's not the best? So *** what, you never had the best to begin with.