[Archive] Bushido - The Way Of The Samurai (A Guide)
[Archive] Bushido - The Way of The Samurai (A Guide)
Do Ogier's Breeches not beat Avant Cuisses +1 for Kaiten? seems like the 3% WSD would do more than 8 STR.
Odin.Jassik said: »
Do Ogier's Breeches not beat Avant Cuisses +1 for Kaiten? seems like the 3% WSD would do more than 8 STR.
Yeah use Ogier's Breeches on Kaiten, it's better. Good catch.
Definitely need to spam more Gaunab. As the the different sets, do any of you have a good SAM XML you could share that has AM down, regain etc? Would very much appreciate it! Thanks for build advice, will make those changes.
Any plans to add common skillchains and usage scenarios to the guide? It seems like something necessary for Samurai. I would help, but I'm pretty new to SAM and I'm no expert on skillchains yet.
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Shiva.Kinzu said: »
Your sets seem really solid other than the stuff you already pointed out so I think you are good to go.
For Shoha you can use Saotome Sune-Ate+2 to help maintain your 5hit during Shoha Spam/Kaiten AM Down situations.
Had a very busy weekend but will be making some updates to the guide as I have received/reviewed a lot of things ^^
on what targets and what are the DPS for a comparison?
So, random but what are your thoughts on Candent ring?
As we're all sams, we know weapon skill accuracy is an issue. Especially in places like legion where even at capped acc we still suddenly start missing hits left and right on Shohas.
I've been using Candent/Pyrosoul ring in lieu of Pyrosoul x2. Basically, lose 1 str and gain 3 accuracy during Weaponskills. I don't think it's too noticeable but figured I'd see what everyone thought about it.
As we're all sams, we know weapon skill accuracy is an issue. Especially in places like legion where even at capped acc we still suddenly start missing hits left and right on Shohas.
I've been using Candent/Pyrosoul ring in lieu of Pyrosoul x2. Basically, lose 1 str and gain 3 accuracy during Weaponskills. I don't think it's too noticeable but figured I'd see what everyone thought about it.
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
on what targets and what are the DPS for a comparison?
I checked on fodder/dynamis dc/qilin/ Ig alima.
@Jomen: They are pretty much even and cadent is free!
higher level mobs makes crits better, not worse.
Asura.Ccl said: »
Masamune Build: I have this tp set combo higher on spreadsheet than what's currently posted:
Usual buff (marchX2/min chaos/fighter roll/ boost str)
TP:
Usual buff (marchX2/min chaos/fighter roll/ boost str)
TP:
TP Set 1
(Rose Strap used)
TP Set 2
| Monster & Buffs | Head Hierarchy |
|---|---|
| Fodder (Lv84). 2x Marches, 1x Minuet, Chaos/Fighter's Roll, Boost-STR (450 skill) | TP Set 1: 453,367 TP Set 2: 436,136 |
| Dynamis DC mob. 2x Marches, 1x Minuet, Chaos/Fighter's Roll, Boost-STR (450 skill) | TP Set 1: 436,627 TP Set 2: 425,530 |
| Pil. 2x Marches, 1x Minuet, Chaos/Fighter's Roll, Boost-STR (450 skill) | TP Set 1: 338,514 TP Set 2: 332,294 |
| Qilin. 2x Marches, 1x Minuet, Chaos/Fighter's Roll, Boost-STR (450 skill) | TP Set 1: 332,620 TP Set 2: 330,526 |
| Ig-Alima. 2x Marches, 1x Minuet, Chaos/Fighter's Roll, Boost-STR (450 skill) | TP Set 1: 228,252 TP Set 2: 211,571 |
*The numbers represent melee DPS only*
I noticed your proposed set lacks 4 STP from being a true 5-hit, and since we not including regain, that seem to hurt DPS abit for your set.
But I may have missed something, try post your numbers CCL.
Odin.Zelphes said: »
I noticed your proposed set lacks 4 STP from being a true 5-hit, and since we not including regain, this seem to hurt DPS abit.
11.1 * 1.9 = 21 | 21 * 4 = 84
11.1 * 1.47 = 16.3
84 + 16.3 = 100.3
Actually able to drop Rajas with that set as well assuming one has Tenryu Hakama +1.
Oh yeah, forgot ogiers. That's even worse then.
This is Masamune number, I'll do Amano number when I get back from work (so like 13-14h from now)
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Those are total dps:
Fodder Usu : 941,603
Unkai:929.018
Dyna DC: Usu: 936.314
Unkai:922.626
Pil/Qilin: Usu: 716.959
Unkai:702.181
Ig: Usu: 373.248
Unkai: 385.332
You need to add accuracy buff like they are in legion(hunter's/mad/feint) or vw(stalwart/atmacite/pizza) for the Usu set to win on Ig too.
What was your fudo set ?
Also can you post your total dps ? I also have 30% ODD on.
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Those are total dps:
Fodder Usu : 941,603
Unkai:929.018
Dyna DC: Usu: 936.314
Unkai:922.626
Pil/Qilin: Usu: 716.959
Unkai:702.181
Ig: Usu: 373.248
Unkai: 385.332
You need to add accuracy buff like they are in legion(hunter's/mad/feint) or vw(stalwart/atmacite/pizza) for the Usu set to win on Ig too.
What was your fudo set ?
Also can you post your total dps ? I also have 30% ODD on.
For VW, Coercion over Deluges probably.
Asura.Ccl said: »
This is Masamune number, I'll do Amano number when I get back from work (so like 13-14h from now)
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Those are total dps:
Fodder Usu : 941,603
Unkai:929.018
Dyna DC: Usu: 936.314
Unkai:922.626
Pil/Qilin: Usu: 716.959
Unkai:702.181
Ig: Usu: 373.248
Unkai: 385.332
You need to add accuracy buff like they are in legion(hunter's/mad/feint) or vw(stalwart/atmacite/pizza) for the Usu set to win on Ig too.
What was your fudo set ?
Also can you post your total dps ? I also have 30% ODD on.
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Those are total dps:
Fodder Usu : 941,603
Unkai:929.018
Dyna DC: Usu: 936.314
Unkai:922.626
Pil/Qilin: Usu: 716.959
Unkai:702.181
Ig: Usu: 373.248
Unkai: 385.332
You need to add accuracy buff like they are in legion(hunter's/mad/feint) or vw(stalwart/atmacite/pizza) for the Usu set to win on Ig too.
What was your fudo set ?
Also can you post your total dps ? I also have 30% ODD on.
Only posting to confirm results since I saw this right as I was heading to bed and the set seemed a bit weird, but...
Getting pretty much the same numbers using:Getting slightly lower numbers (pretty much the same difference), but I probably have the Fudo set wrong.
edit: Yea, Cheruski and Omodaka feet weren't plugged into the sheet I was using and I was a little too lazy to do it. :S
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So i am currently working on making a Yoichinoyumi and my main g.katana is Masamune. My sam mainly gets used for lowman stuff (6 people and under) and was wondering if anyone uses the combo what skillchains it can make? Is the merit bow WS worthy of using on sam? Also was curious how the aftermath works between the two. I keep hearing Namas will overwrite the fudo aftermath but what if i do Namus to fudo. Do i keep the bow aftermath or get the g.katana aftermath. I assume i will end up using Yoichinoyumi mainly as a fun toy for most of the time. I figured since I am close to finishing i would ask for some information.
Stick with Namas Arrow. Apex is a waste of merits.
Yoichi aftermath will stay in effect until it wears off. Masa aftermath can't do anything to overwrite it. Would suggest using a Quint Spear or 2-4 hit magian great katana if wanting to spam Namas. In an event like NNI where you could be swapping between GK and bow weapon skills commonly or if the accuracy is relevant then Amanomurakumo would be better.
Yoichi aftermath will stay in effect until it wears off. Masa aftermath can't do anything to overwrite it. Would suggest using a Quint Spear or 2-4 hit magian great katana if wanting to spam Namas. In an event like NNI where you could be swapping between GK and bow weapon skills commonly or if the accuracy is relevant then Amanomurakumo would be better.
Found an error that skewed results.
Amano-numbers:
TP Set 1
ItemSet 291553(Duplus used)
TP Set 2
ItemSet 284218
*The numbers represent melee DPS only*
Comparison for low-buff situations:
*The numbers represent melee DPS only*
16% ODD/Berserk/Hasso/Stalwart was accounted for. 450 skill for Boost-STR.
I got TP set 2 winning across the board.
Amano-numbers:
TP Set 1
ItemSet 291553(Duplus used)
TP Set 2
ItemSet 284218
| Monster & Buffs | Head Hierarchy |
|---|---|
| Fodder (Lv84).2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB | TP Set 1: 448,807 TP Set 2: 449,433 |
| Dynamis DC mob.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB | TP Set 1: 432,236 TP Set 2: 434,406 |
| Pil.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB | TP Set 1: 324,229 TP Set 2: 336,180 |
| Qilin.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB | TP Set 1: 318,514 TP Set 2: 332,183 |
| Ig-Alima.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB | TP Set 1: 222,690 TP Set 2: 226,296 |
Comparison for low-buff situations:
| Monster & Buffs | Head Hierarchy |
|---|---|
| Fodder (Lv84). Haste, RCB | TP Set 1: 165,102 TP Set 2: 170,958 |
| Dynamis DC mob. Haste, RCB | TP Set 1: 158,185 TP Set 2: 161,514 |
| Pil. Haste, RCB | TP Set 1: 113,164 TP Set 2: 114,745 |
| Qilin. Haste, RCB | TP Set 1: 111,581 TP Set 2: 111,877 |
| Ig-Alima. Haste, RCB | TP Set 1: 43,770 TP Set 2: 45,709 |
16% ODD/Berserk/Hasso/Stalwart was accounted for. 450 skill for Boost-STR.
I got TP set 2 winning across the board.
Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
Stick with Namas Arrow. Apex is a waste of merits.
Yoichi aftermath will stay in effect until it wears off. Masa aftermath can't do anything to overwrite it. Would suggest using a Quint Spear or 2-4 hit magian great katana if wanting to spam Namas. In an event like NNI where you could be swapping between GK and bow weapon skills commonly or if the accuracy is relevant then Amanomurakumo would be better.
Yoichi aftermath will stay in effect until it wears off. Masa aftermath can't do anything to overwrite it. Would suggest using a Quint Spear or 2-4 hit magian great katana if wanting to spam Namas. In an event like NNI where you could be swapping between GK and bow weapon skills commonly or if the accuracy is relevant then Amanomurakumo would be better.
Seems so strange to advocate a 2-4 magian weapon, lol
For the bow, not a bad idea at all.
If we can manage 11 more STP from gear in future updates we could actually 4-hit with it as well.
Asura.Ccl said: »
What was your fudo set ?
Also can you post your total dps ? I also have 30% ODD on.
Also can you post your total dps ? I also have 30% ODD on.
The WS set you posted wins without doubt when ATK-capped, don't even need to spreadsheet it. The guide mention to use ele neck/belt combo aswell if ATK-capped.
I'll include total DPS eitherway.
TP Set 1
ItemSet 291553(Rose Strap used)
TP Set 2
ItemSet 292478
WS
ItemSet 292480
| Monster & Buffs | Head Hierarchy (Melee/WS+Total DPS) |
|---|---|
| Fodder (Lv84).2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB | TP Set 1: 492,754/910,876 TP Set 2: 486,141/904,503 |
| Dynamis DC mob.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB | TP Set 1: 474,560/898,245 TP Set 2: 474,320/896,220 |
| Pil.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB | TP Set 1: 367,923/685,176 TP Set 2: 370,393/685,565 |
| Qilin.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB | TP Set 1: 361,517/680,729 TP Set 2: 368,423/684,185 |
| Ig-Alima.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB | TP Set 1: 248,582/466,330 TP Set 2: 235,935/451,777 |
30% ODD/Berserk/Hasso/Stalwart was accounted for. 450 skill for Boost-STR. TP Set 1 used Rose Strap and Rajas for WS.
Asura.Ccl said: »
You need to add accuracy buff like they are in legion(hunter's/mad/feint) or vw(stalwart/atmacite/pizza) for the Usu set to win on Ig too.
Adding a 4th song - SV+Madrigal+Pizza+1 made set 2 pull ahead on Ig-Alima as Ccl mentioned.
But using RCB favour Set 2 more on Ig-Alima.
| Monster & Buffs | Head Hierarchy (Melee/WS+Total DPS) |
|---|---|
| Ig-Alima.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Madrigal 2/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/Pizza+1 | TP Set 1: 261,517/483,032 TP Set 2: 266,811/487,893 |
| Ig-Alima.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Madrigal 2/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB | TP Set 1: 265,004/488,810 TP Set 2: 278,962/499,701 |
Without SV, not even 2x Madrigals+ Pizza+1 made Set 2 pull ahead on Ig-Alima.
So yeah, gonna need feint/hunter's roll and such to pull ahead on that target.
Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
If we can manage 11 more STP from gear in future updates we could actually 4-hit with it as well.
Yeah I can't wait to see adoulin gear, hope we get some nice namas gear out of it, now I just wish they fix tachi: ageha accuracy so you only need brd+cor/rdm or rdm to make it so much win!
Once I get more free time I'll try macc set for tachi: ageha if no one tried it before!
@Zelphes: are you sure you don't have regain in there ? I don't have your tp+ws set as a true 5hit on the spreadsheet.
Asura.Ccl said: »
@Zelphes: are you sure you don't have regain in there ? I don't have your tp+ws set as a true 5hit on the spreadsheet.
Just rechecked, no regain/embrava accounted for. The gear sets are correct in my spreadsheet (5hit).
Wich switch are you making on your ws set to keep it 5hit ? Can you post your hitround/ws for both ?
Eitherway, our numbers are more identical now except fodder, dyna targets.
You do seem to calculate with alot more buffs than me, given the dps numbers.
You do seem to calculate with alot more buffs than me, given the dps numbers.
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