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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-04 20:57:18
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Toboe said: »
How would you reach 48STP in gear without sacrificing ganeshas mala for unkai nodawa. your high end set has 43stp using mala. im not a fan of using rose strap

rose, hagneia stone, phorcys salade, unkai mimikaziri, brutal, +2, rajas, tyrants, misuuchi kappa, +2, ace's is

4 + 3 + 5 + 1 + 1 + 10 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 7 + 5 = 48, obviously usukane sune-ate +1 open a bit of flexibility as well.

Nobody really cares if you are a fan of it, without usukane/tenryu hakama you can't get away without it.

Just for reference, what else would you use for a grip, since 2 QA > 3 DA
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-03-04 21:00:09
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Odin.Jassik said: »
well for MDT it would be pretty unlikely to actually need 50%, since even vanilla shell V is like 21%, if you're in a DT set, throwing PDT/DT in any extra slots isn't a terribad idea. Hybrid sets are a whole other thing.
Allows for better combos/options since yes, % isn't as much of an issue as it used to be at 75.

I forgot Engulfer cape, too.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Krylon 2013-03-04 21:22:07
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Odin.Zelphes said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Krylon said: »
Isn't 20.8 less than the 20.825 required? Thats why I bumped it to 20.9
Game floor decimals. So it becomes 20.8.

Using the sets you posted on first page, a more reliable method of calculating would be....

Ahh, yes. You are right.

I edited that section to reflect that change. Thanks again Zel.

Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
To be fair, the "seigan hybrid" set in the op can swap out the pants when third eye is down.

Noted and edited. Thanks.

Also, the PDT and MDT sections have been slightly updated to consider some of the items recommended in a few of the posts on page 3.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Krylon 2013-03-04 21:52:36
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Added a small Yoichi gear section as well as Yoichi itself to the Weapons section with a small summary.

Added Zel's Optimal VW TP Set as well.

Going to continue modifying this guide! Thanks everyone for the fantastic input, this has come together very nicely so far.
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2013-03-04 21:59:02
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Store TP Section: I would make it a spoiler tab and condense it a little. I would also link to ll's post on second hit TP gain because I agree that no one really talks about:

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27974/sam-gear-lvl-99/51/#2235001


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Murasamemaru (I use this g.kat daily, and couldn't imagine SAM without it-- but it is indeed very extremely content based) Here is a resource for it if you wanted to write more or link to it:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/33046/muramasemaru/1/#2022757
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Kogarasumaru TP AM-up set:



AM-Down looks more like an amano/masamune build with Unkai Body +2, Unkai Earring, Atheling, and Phos Belt +1.
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Namas SAM: TP set varies by content, but a good base set is the Amano set.

WS Set: http://www.ffxiah.com/members/item-sets?id=236819
For Legion, swap one ring into a Hadjuk Ring +1
Can use R. Att +20(terre) mantle for more damage if R.acc capped.

I am almost certain Shura Kabuto +1 is best for this over Mekira oto +1. (Shura Kabuto can also get R.attack +8).
Edit: Confirmed Mekira oto+1 on proc days is better.

If you include this section, you need to mention that distance from mob is a big deal and you should position at max melee range or you'll be inflicted with severe r.attack penalties. This distance varies by mob.

Thanks for writing, it's a big undertaking.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-03-04 22:28:46
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Would be nice to have a top 3 per slots regarding Namas. While most of the stuff isn't hard to get even for top tier, it would be nice to know where things stand (such as Kabuto +1 vs Mekira +1 and next best thing after Tenryu +1 for the legs, also Willhelm/Altdorf earring combo etc).

Would help people starting with the combo, and other people who are looking for improvement (I know I haven't worked on this set in about a year so I'm kinda out of the loop).
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-03-05 01:41:07
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Quetzalcoatl.Krylon said: »
Ahh, yes. You are right.

I edited that section to reflect that change. Thanks again Zel.

Quetzalcoatl.Krylon said: »
Let's take our formula and plug in numbers...

(100 + 51 (40 base + 11 gear))/100 = 151 / 100 = 1.51

1.51 * 11.1 = 16.761... or 16.7.

That is 16.7 TP returned on your Fudo hit.

100-16.7 = 83.3 TP. That is how much you need to WS again.

83.3 / 4 (dividing by 4 because 4 hits + your WS is a true 5hit build) = 20.825 and you floor it. 20.8

That is how much you need in your TP set to reach 100 again in 4 hits. 20.8

More info available here: Thanks Llewelyn!
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27974/sam-gear-lvl-99/51/#2235001

Np, I think you're doing a good job on the guide so far. They're a *** to write.

Using the method Llewlyn posted doesn't show correct TP/Hit the way game process it, if the decimals are odd.

You should find your TP/hit first, then floor it. Now you have the correct TP/hit the way game process it.

Then*4 that number to calculate your 4 hits during TP phase.

This way decimals doesn't mess with your numbers as I tried to demonstrate earlier.

Using your numbers from your guide is an example of this.

100-16.7 = 83.3

83.3/4 = 20.825~ 20.8

20.8*4 = 83.2

83.2+ 16.7 = 99.9



If you gonna use that method, don't floor the decimals.

100-16.7 = 83.3

83.3/4 = 20.825

20.825*4 = 83.3

83.3+ 16.7 = 100


edit. don't use that method to calculate STP at all. You'll just end up having to redo it - using the method I explained above.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Krylon 2013-03-05 08:16:08
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Odin.Zelphes said: »
Figured the guide wanted to expand on VW sets since it's still relevant.

Got this TP set as MAX assuming Deluges/Latitude/Valiant+ Fighter's Roll.

Target is Qilin.



Unkai Mimizakari if no Fighter's Roll.

For Amano/Masa.

Would like some input on this.

Added this set along with a breakdown of the atmacites to the OP.

I think this set really works nicely with all those atmacites capped off.

One suggestion for Amano users only (havent mathed it out yet) but to hit true haste cap and still have a 5 hit pre and post aftermath, can you do swap the Unkai Haidate for Phorcys?

You would maintain 5-hit and the extra 2% haste would hit true haste cap. Might have to spreadsheet that one to see the results. The enhanced hasso might pull ahead even though you are @ 24% instead of 26% haste.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Krylon 2013-03-05 08:18:00
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Odin.Zelphes said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Krylon said: »
Ahh, yes. You are right.

I edited that section to reflect that change. Thanks again Zel.

Quetzalcoatl.Krylon said: »
Let's take our formula and plug in numbers...

(100 + 51 (40 base + 11 gear))/100 = 151 / 100 = 1.51

1.51 * 11.1 = 16.761... or 16.7.

That is 16.7 TP returned on your Fudo hit.

100-16.7 = 83.3 TP. That is how much you need to WS again.

83.3 / 4 (dividing by 4 because 4 hits + your WS is a true 5hit build) = 20.825 and you floor it. 20.8

That is how much you need in your TP set to reach 100 again in 4 hits. 20.8

More info available here: Thanks Llewelyn!
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27974/sam-gear-lvl-99/51/#2235001

Np, I think you're doing a good job on the guide so far. They're a *** to write.

Using the method Llewlyn posted doesn't show correct TP/Hit the way game process it if the decimals are odd.

You should find your TP/hit first, then floor it. Now you have the correct TP/hit the way game process it.

Then*4 that number to calculate your 4 hits during TP phase.

This way decimals doesn't mess with your numbers as I tried to demonstrate earlier.

Using your numbers from your guide is an example of this.

100-16.7 = 83.3

83.3/4 = 20.825~ 20.8

20.8*4 = 83.2

83.2+ 16.7 = 99.9



If you gonna use that method, don't floor the decimals.

100-16.7 = 83.3

83.3/4 = 20.825

20.825*4 = 83.3

83.3+ 16.7 = 100

Not sure I fully got what you were getting at there.

If you floor the TP/Hit needed like you said, it comes out to 20.8 which falls 0.01 short of 100 after 4 hits.

Based on this post, 49 Store TP in gear (20.9 per hit) TP would be required then?


Ok I see now. But I guess the question would still be do you need 20.9 or 20.8 to make that example work?
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-03-05 08:40:13
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Ok I see now. But I guess the question would still be do you need 20.9 or 20.8 to make that example work?

FFXI chops off decimals after the first for TP gain so you can't ever gain a hundredth of a TP. There are occasions when you need to be slightly over in when calculating TP due to decimals screwing you over.

For the above example you need 87.38 "Store TP" so if you go with 88 you'll end up 0.1 TP shy. Using 20.9 you get 88.28 "Store TP" which explains why you need 89.

11.1 * 1.88 = 20.8 per hit
20.8 * 4 = 83.2
During WS is 51 sTP
11.1 * 1.51 = 16.761 = [16.7]
82.2 + 16.7 = 99.99

Redo it with 20.9 as your target TP and same from WS
20.9 * 4 = 83.6
83.6 + 16.7 = 100.3
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I was asked to math out some mid-level TP and WS sets for SAM. (this post has now been added to the OP in the Store TP section)

For the example I am going to assume that the person is using a Kantonotachi since it is the GKT that most casual SAMs would get (I would hope >.>).

Weapon Delay: 464

Multiplier for this weapon: 11.5 +
[(464-450)*1.5/30] = (14*1.5)/30 = 21/30 = 0.7

11.5 + 0.7 = 12.2


TP:

+47 Store TP In Gear

Shoha:

+7 Store TP In Gear

WS TP Return Calculation:
(100 + 47 (40 base STP + 7 STP in WS set)) = 147. 147/100 = 1.47

12.2*1.47 = 17.9

100-17.9 = 82.1 TP in 4 hits required for a 5-hit.

82.1/4 = 20.525

TP Set Calculation:

(100+87)/100 = 187/100 = 1.87

1.87*12.2 = 22.8 TP/hit. Well over the 20.525 required.

There may be some swaps to bring your STP down a bit in TP Phase (like swapping rajas for a pyrsoul or the unkai earring for a kemas earring), but for a mid level set overshooting 100 TP inst a huge deal.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Krylon 2013-03-05 08:56:54
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
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Ok I see now. But I guess the question would still be do you need 20.9 or 20.8 to make that example work?

FFXI chops off decimals after the first for TP gain so you can't ever gain a hundredth of a TP. There are occasions when you need to be slightly over in when calculating TP due to decimals screwing you over.

For the above example you need 87.38 "Store TP" so if you go with 88 you'll end up 0.1 TP shy. Using 20.9 you get 88.28 "Store TP" which explains why you need 89.

11.1 * 1.88 = 20.8 per hit
20.8 * 4 = 83.2
During WS is 51 sTP
11.1 * 1.51 = 16.761 = [16.7]
82.2 + 16.7 = 99.99

Redo it with 20.9 as your target TP and same from WS
20.9 * 4 = 83.6
83.6 + 16.7 = 100.3

Yes, this is exactly what Zel was trying to tell me but for some reason I understood it better when you said it xD

Sorry Zel!! *facepalm*

Adjusted the Store TP section to better explain it now. Hopefully that is the final version.
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If you're into being optimal, this tp set against high level mob and usual buff(brd+cor/no regain).



For lower level stuff, the previous set with unkai+2/phos belt(+1) win.


Sam hybrid(mid)


This is enough to keep me alive in legion and cap accuracy with amano and rcb on almost everything.

Optimal/goal set would be:

Phos belt =>+1
Ring => Dring
Hands => Tenryu tekko +1(a)
Back => molusca mantle
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-03-05 12:55:50
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Quetzalcoatl.Krylon said: »
One suggestion for Amano users only (havent mathed it out yet) but to hit true haste cap and still have a 5 hit pre and post aftermath, can you do swap the Unkai Haidate for Phorcys?

You would maintain 5-hit and the extra 2% haste would hit true haste cap. Might have to spreadsheet that one to see the results. The enhanced hasso might pull ahead even though you are @ 24% instead of 26% haste.

Your High-end TP set is a true 5-hit/capped haste. But to answer your question, if no usu some/feet+1, you should stick with Unkai legs regardless. Phorcys Dirs are no go.

It does require some adjustments to your Shoha set (amano users) if no regain to maintain 5-hit.

Odin.Zelphes said: »
Assuming High-end TP set with Pole/Duplus (Amano)

1.83*11.1 = 20.313 Floored~ 20.3
20.3*4 = 81.2

Shoha:

1.52*11.1 = 16.872 Floored~ 16.8

81.2+16.8+1.5(2nd hit)= 99.5

The set posted for Shoha using Pole/Duplus lacks .5 TP (assuming WS with Rajas), but can be remedied by WS with Misuuchi Kappa & Hagneia Stone for example to maintain 5-hit for non-regain situations.

I used your High-end TP set in this calculation.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-03-05 13:15:47
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Quetzalcoatl.Krylon said: »
I was asked to math out some mid-level TP and WS sets for SAM. (this post has now been added to the OP in the Store TP section)

For the example I am going to assume that the person is using a Kantonotachi since it is the GKT that most casual SAMs would get (I would hope >.>).

Weapon Delay: 464

Multiplier for this weapon: 11.5 +
[(464-450)*1.5/30] = (14*1.5)/30 = 21/30 = 0.7

11.5 + 0.7 = 12.2


TP:

+47 Store TP In Gear

Shoha:

+7 Store TP In Gear

WS TP Return Calculation:
(100 + 47 (40 base STP + 7 STP in WS set)) = 147. 147/100 = 1.47

12.2*1.47 = 17.9

100-17.9 = 82.1 TP in 4 hits required for a 5-hit.

82.1/4 = 20.525

TP Set Calculation:

(100+87)/100 = 187/100 = 1.87

1.87*12.2 = 22.8 TP/hit. Well over the 20.525 required.

There may be some swaps to bring your STP down a bit in TP Phase (like swapping rajas for a pyrsoul or the unkai earring for a kemas earring), but for a mid level set overshooting 100 TP inst a huge deal.


TP:

1.73*12.2 = 21.1

21.1*4 = 84.4


Shoha:

1.46*12.2 = 17.8

84.4+17.8+1.4 = 103.6


That set can be trimmed by alot.

Changes:

- Unkai Kabuto to Phorcys/Zelus Tiara

- Unkai Nodowa to Ganesha/Rancor Collar/Portus Collar

- Misuuchia Kappa to Atheling

- use Moonshade (TP bonus) or STR earring over Unkai earring for WS

- can WS in a second pyrosoul over rajas

Need +33 STP in gear assuming max STP merits. It's a true 5-hit even if 2nd hit of Shoha misses
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By Quetzalcoatl.Krylon 2013-03-05 13:31:26
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Odin.Zelphes said: »

I goofed - I didn't account for the Usu +1 set bonus. That's why I was 2% haste short on that VW Optimal Set. Good catch.

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Also, adjusted the low level TP Set. I was throwing together most gear that a very casual player would have and trying to get it to be the best it could. Your corrections made a lot of sense though.

I'm not sure most would have Phorcys head, but Zelus I forgot about which is a great alternative to get to haste cap.

New Low-Mid TP


New Low-Mid Shoha
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Asura.Ccl said: »

Is this truly optimal on high level mobs? Losing Domaru +2 is a huge hit to Zanshin.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-03-05 13:42:32
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Quetzalcoatl.Krylon said: »
Asura.Ccl said: »

Is this truly optimal on high level mobs? Losing Domaru +2 is a huge hit to Zanshin.

Haven't mathed out that scenario, but it's a set very similar to Koga AM3 set. The reason you swap Unkai to Usu+1 is because proc priority is multi-attacks> zanshin, so with fighter's roll and high multi-attack from gear/atmacites, it devaluate zanshin procs.

Unkai body itself has just 2.5% zanhasso procrate.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-05 13:50:47
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The zanshin loss isn't what bugs me, the loss of acc and stp means it is only viable for amano am.
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By Phoenix.Icemn 2013-03-05 14:01:21
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Should add a Koga AM up/down section, no?
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Odin.Jassik said: »
The zanshin loss isn't what bugs me, the loss of acc and stp means it is only viable for amano am.

You actually get more stp with usu body+1 and goading than unkai body+2 + phos belt.

It's fstr and crit rate against about 1-1.2% zanshin (and attack, accuracy from usu body+1 is about 24 for usu body and 23for unkai domaru +2!
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-05 14:09:24
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Didn't notice it was goading, haven't seen it in a Sam set in a while.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Krylon 2013-03-05 14:10:47
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{Hmm.}

Interesting, I always thought that Domaru +2 was still king in every scenario.


Amano TP - AM Down



Amano TP - AM Up

+45 STP In Gear + 7 From AM = +52 STP Total in TP Phase


Kaiten

12 STP In Gear + 7 From Activating Kaiten = +19 STP

WS Phase
11.1 * 1.59 = 17.6 (Activating Kaiten)

TP Phase
11.1 * 1.92 = 21.3 TP per hit.

21.3 * 4 = 85.2 + 17.6 = 102.8.

That set is actually overshooting slightly in TP Phase no?




If you take out the Misuuchi for Atheling you get:


(+49 STP total from gear and aftermath)

11.1 * 1.89 = 20.9 TP/hit = 83.6 + 17.6 = 101.2


So true Optimal should be that AM Up set but Atheling swapped in, but we are still overshooting a little bit. Maybe another swap would max it out.


True Optimal Amano AM Up:


WS Set:

Correct me if I'm wrong please.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Krylon 2013-03-05 14:12:46
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Phoenix.Icemn said: »
Should add a Koga AM up/down section, no?

Going to add that in eventually. Fine tuning everything before I put a final stamp on it for now.
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I believe you're right, can't fully double check cause mid event but if you do ws in rajas, that seems correct if you're using kaiten at least.


edit: I use my set even with am down.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-03-05 14:16:15
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That Amano AM set should be only useable with high buffs (Songs/rolls etc)

If not, Unkai should be better. You can have Ccl math it out since he's posting the set.

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By Gimp 2013-03-05 14:24:41
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guess the ja thing was a no go?
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If someone wants to write it up, by all means, go for it =p

I will get to it if nobody else wants to, but just focusing on some other portions for now.
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2013-03-05 16:26:50
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Koga AM3 assuming the exact same set, but changing around the head gear based on situation:
Monster & Buffs Head Hierarchy
Dynamis DC. March and Minuet x2 Phorcys 921.001, Usukane +1 919.932, Tenryu +1 917.908
ADL. Embrava, SV Minuets, Embrava and Fighter+Chaos Phorcys 979.297, Usukane +1 977.907, Tenryu +1 975.549
Qilin. March x2, Minuet x2 and Chaos+Fighter's Usukane +1 739.291, Phorcys 738.657, Tenryu +1 737.482
Ig-Alima. Embrava, Minuets, Chaos+Fighter's and Madrigal. Tenryu +1 405.708, Phorcys 400.806, Usukane +1 400.620

*All assume berserk and aggressor are up fulltime and 490 skill Boost-STR.

As you can see, all 3 options are extremely close in every situation, but I still believe my general rule of: "if you need acc or attack: Tenryu +1." and "If you are capped accuracy and attack: Phorcys." Not to discount Usukane +1, which is perfectly fine to use. I'd just hate to see someone make it only to find it isn't always #1.

Judging if you're attack capped during melee is another matter, as not everyone has a pocket 4 song bard for minuets, COR for chaos roll or RDM for Dia 3 on every mob they fight.
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2013-03-05 17:27:09
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Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »

"If you are capped accuracy and attack: Phorcys."

I agree with most of the post, but this was the only thing about this that I'm skeptical about. If you're capped accuracy and capped attack, then when we're comparing the two items:

Phorcys Salade:
Acc+10, Attack +10, Store TP +5

vs

Usukane Somen +1
Acc+10, STR+9, DA+4

When capping attack and acc we're really making the comparison of:

Store TP+5 vs STR+9, DA+4
(I realize that DA+4 has less effect because AM3, but either way, adding DA+4 over a AM3 never lowers the overall DPS value: it will only increase it)

I find it hard to believe that DA+4 and STR+9 would lose out to the small amount of overTP that may occur. (It does seem odd doesn't it?) Also, if capped attack/acc occured on the Qilin vs ADL, why is it that Phorcy came up on top on one but not the other? Honest question--- I've found funky things when using the DPS spreadsheets too, but this is one of the places where I just can't fathom how Store TP+5 could possibly outweigh the other benefits just on over TP alone.
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