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By Bismarck.Alyora 2013-06-25 14:14:19
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Recommended merit build: 5/5 Store TP, 5/5 Meditate. 5/5 Overwhelm. 5/5 Ikishoten. Do 4/5 Ikis and 1/5 Blade Bash if your stunners are fail faces.

I've just started playing SAM, and was just wondering why it's recommended not to merit Zanshin Attack Rate in Group 1. I'd assume just because sTP and Meditate Recast are so good? It seems like it may almost not be worth it to merit Ikishoten without meriting Zanshin Attack Rate. I trust the recommendation in the guide, though.


I'm curious on this too.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-06-25 14:18:01
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Bismarck.Alyora said: »
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Recommended merit build: 5/5 Store TP, 5/5 Meditate. 5/5 Overwhelm. 5/5 Ikishoten. Do 4/5 Ikis and 1/5 Blade Bash if your stunners are fail faces.
I've just started playing SAM, and was just wondering why it's recommended not to merit Zanshin Attack Rate in Group 1. I'd assume just because sTP and Meditate Recast are so good? It seems like it may almost not be worth it to merit Ikishoten without meriting Zanshin Attack Rate. I trust the recommendation in the guide, though.
I'm curious on this too.

Odin.Jassik said: »
Zanshin rate translates to 25% ZanHasso or 25% Counter, those are the real numbers you are worried about with Zanshin rate. So your total Zanshin rate should always be divisible by 4. If you are at like 62% zanshin, thats 15% counter/zanhasso rate. If you put 2 merits in Zanshin rate, you'd be at 64% or 16% counter/zanhasso. In this case, 2 merits are warranted. The issue is that the builds people are using now don't fit nicely into that formula and the Meditate recast (assuming you hammer meditate every chance you can) offer more DPS. If your build leaves you a few % short of an even Zanhasso rate, a few merits in Zanshin aren't a bad thing at all. 5/5 Store TP is locked, though, so there are only 5 merits available in group 1.
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By Bismarck.Alyora 2013-06-25 14:24:22
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Sorry but I'm new to SAM but how do you know what your zanshin is currently?

(I just got to 99, so don't bother to look at my current mess)
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By Bismarck.Raistlinratt 2013-06-25 14:27:06
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Bismarck.Alyora said: »
Sorry but I'm new to SAM but how do you know what your zanshin is currently?

(I just got to 99, so don't bother to look at my current mess)

Samurai main 99 = 50% base zanshin rate.

Now add in any gear you might be wearing that increases zanshin. Divide this total number by 4 and you get your 'zanhasso' double attack proc rate while hasso is active.

Adding 10% zanshin is like adding 2.5% DA rate, except its a bit better because your 4/5 ikishoten merits make your zanhasso procs worth 2 hits DAMAGE and 3 hits TP


As explained above, the math doesn't support zanshin merits at 1% per, because it takes 4% to get 1% returns on zanhasso.
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By Bismarck.Alyora 2013-06-25 14:35:04
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I see. Ok simple enough.

Now as a 1st timer...I know I need to get some kind of gear til I can get better... I was trying for a gk on orthrus but not a single drop and many failed attempts. Got the back piece though.

What is an alternative to gear for someone who just got started back to ffxi from a 2+ yr quit and just got adoulin access?

Yes I'm a noob starting out as SAM but I'd like to be in something other than Perle....

Also...is it str > Dex? Should I be adding more str or Dex?

Also if its too much too type here, I'm fine with pm.
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By Bismarck.Raistlinratt 2013-06-25 14:44:19
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Bismarck.Alyora said: »
I see. Ok simple enough.

Now as a 1st timer...I know I need to get some kind of gear til I can get better... I was trying for a gk on orthrus but not a single drop and many failed attempts. Got the back piece though.

What is an alternative to gear for someone who just got started back to ffxi from a 2+ yr quit and just got adoulin access?

Yes I'm a noob starting out as SAM but I'd like to be in something other than Perle....

Also...is it str > Dex? Should I be adding more str or Dex?

Also if its too much too type here, I'm fine with pm.

On what? TP set? Depends on what content you are doing and what buffs you have honestly. These days you need more accuracy than previously. I would say get into some delve farm for KIs and plasm and just buy the new weapons. As for gear, depends how serious you want to be. Usually acc/dex > str for TP set though. acc% and crit rate far outweigh str for tp

Usukane +1 stuff is still used, a couple of the emp+2s, and then of course the karieyh/mikinaak sets (bayld/plasm). Overall SAM is one of easiest jobs to play since its mostly about pressing buttons fast. The gear isn't as important because of shoha att boost etc.
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By Bismarck.Alyora 2013-06-25 14:50:55
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Well not stuff thats more endgame. I'd say its more for casual fighting against nms or mobs with friends than going hardcore trying to be number 1 in the best gear on the server.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-25 15:00:21
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Someone well versed with sam could put together a set, but aby stuff+bayld gear should be sufficient to go with your friends on salvage and eventually get usu+1, which I think would be the next step.
There are probably better gk than that one also, maybe a tp bonus magian.
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By Valefor.Dpking 2013-06-25 15:05:04
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Tomonari is a great gk if your not going to get a delve gk.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-06-25 15:41:16
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Pick your GK and we can put together a few sets for progression, since x-hit is a large part of the game for SAM, knowing your weapon's delay is the base for building sets.
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By Gilgamesh.Leeroyjay 2013-06-25 15:49:31
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Cerberus.Taint said: »

<set name="*Shoha-ACChit-*" Baseset="*Shoha-Xhit-*">
<neck>Shadow Gorget</neck>
<back>Letalis Mantle</back>
<waist>Shadow Belt</waist>

For your *Shoha-ACChit-* changes, what about caudata belt? And if you used it would that allow you to keep Atheling Mantle?
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By Bismarck.Alyora 2013-06-25 15:53:34
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Ok I can do that.
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By Bahamut.Ozwaldo 2013-06-28 16:25:57
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Sam cant wear Epona's. They can where Onieros, though its prob not worth giving up the STR for.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-06-28 16:26:12
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Yeah you get right on that, let me know how it works out for you.
@onieros ring, I mean by the neck slot logic, it should be a DPS upgrade no? MP merits are bad though, so noty.
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By Gilgamesh.Leeroyjay 2013-06-28 16:26:49
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Because SAM can't equip Epona's ring.
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Odin.Elleazar said: »
For Tachi: Shoha I see a lot of stuff talking about how there is higher averages when you use mala + wind buffet due to the quad and triple attack. I'm just curious why you wouldn't use Epona's in one of your ring slots instead of pyrosoul? It seems like adding more triple attack and double attack would make the spikes from Shoha more likely. Just curious if anyone has any numbers or reasoning to why pyrosoul is better.

Because SAM can't equip Epona's ring.
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By Odin.Volane 2013-06-28 16:27:27
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Because:



doesnt have SAM on it.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-06-28 16:30:25
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Bahamut.Ozwaldo said: »
Sam cant wear Epona's. They can where Onieros, though its prob not worth giving up the STR for.
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
Yeah you get right on that, let me know how it works out for you.
@onieros ring, I mean by the neck slot logic, it should be a DPS upgrade no? MP merits are bad though, so noty.
Oneiros Ring would be an upgrade if you actually had MP merits, but yeah - I'll stick to HP, kthx.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-06-28 16:35:18
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Gilgamesh.Leeroyjay said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »

<set name="*Shoha-ACChit-*" Baseset="*Shoha-Xhit-*">
<neck>Shadow Gorget</neck>
<back>Letalis Mantle</back>
<waist>Shadow Belt</waist>

For your *Shoha-ACChit-* changes, what about caudata belt? And if you used it would that allow you to keep Atheling Mantle?
And no, use Elemental Belt if you need accuracy.
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-06-30 08:17:38
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Don't see one on OP or last few pages, so threw together a Tsurumaru TP set. Takes +24 (+19 w/ Ionis up, SaveTP+30 total) to 5-hit. SaveTP means no need for StoreTP on WS so can just toss in everything best-in-slot there.

ItemSet 306260

This is just an eye-balled set since spreadsheet doesn't seem to handle SaveTP properly (drops DPS when removing excess StoreTP), so it probably isn't perfectly optimal. Feel free to tinker if you have one, since I likely won't have one for a long time >.<
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By Phoenix.Nerji 2013-06-30 20:20:51
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Sylph.Mirvana said: »
just an eye-balled set since spreadsheet doesn't seem to handle SaveTP properly (drops DPS when removing excess StoreTP)

I think the lower DPS you're seeing is probably from extra ws dmg you get from tp overflow
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-07-01 07:05:29
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The chunks were sizable enough I didn't think that was the reason. Roughly 20 DPS lost for removing the difference of WS'ing at 100% and 102%. It was likely just thinking I had dropped from 5-hit to 6-hit since the SaveTP drops your required StoreTP a sizable chunk.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-07-06 09:54:58
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Here is a fun set when you aren't massively buffed. (aka no fighters, misers) It does well in all situations but obviously gets diluted the more QTDA you add or if you need massive ACC.

ItemSet 222265

Requires Ionis bonus to work.

30 save TP. 71.4 TP from Zanhasso bonus.
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By Asura.Fondue 2013-07-06 10:06:21
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is 9haste belt and usu hands not better?
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-07-06 10:19:41
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is 9haste belt and usu hands not better?

you would need the 10 haste belt for it to be better, if I undertand the question correctly.

You lose 4 without Tenryu, gain 2 from the Usukane set bonus with Gote +1 and 1 from the belt, so you're at a total of -1 haste from the tenryu/phos+1 set.
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Tekko+1 is slightly ahead but Usu can be situationally better.
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By Asura.Fondue 2013-07-06 10:45:56
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Fondue said: »
is 9haste belt and usu hands not better?

you would need the 10 haste belt for it to be better, if I undertand the question correctly.

You lose 4 without Tenryu, gain 2 from the Usukane set bonus with Gote +1 and 1 from the belt, so you're at a total of -1 haste from the tenryu/phos+1 set.
you get 3 haste from 2 pieces of usu
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-07-06 10:57:46
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Asura.Fondue said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Fondue said: »
is 9haste belt and usu hands not better?

you would need the 10 haste belt for it to be better, if I undertand the question correctly.

You lose 4 without Tenryu, gain 2 from the Usukane set bonus with Gote +1 and 1 from the belt, so you're at a total of -1 haste from the tenryu/phos+1 set.
you get 3 haste from 2 pieces of usu


Yeah Usu hands + 9% belt caps haste. Probably a more realistic option with Scarletite at 10mil+
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By Cerberus.Legend 2013-07-08 12:35:04
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Is Phorcys or mikinaak body better for Shoha?
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By Asura.Ackeronll 2013-07-08 19:33:13
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I'm looking to get involved in Delve type content and need some advice on making my SAM useable in it.
TP
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Shoha
ItemSet 284526

Pretty sure the weapon is a big one but I'm not sure of the order to look for when upgrading. I have an un-augmented Skirmish GK but I am not sure if it can even be good enough to beat my GK.
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