Which Relic Should I Make?: A Guide

Language: JP EN DE FR
2010-09-08
New Items
users online
Forum » FFXI » General » Which Relic Should I Make?: A Guide
Which Relic Should I Make?: A Guide
First Page 2 3 ... 8 9 10 11 12
 Bismarck.Keityan
Offline
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
user: Keichan
Posts: 323
By Bismarck.Keityan 2013-02-19 23:01:39
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Oh, I agree, but I never said that koga is only good for VW. I was quoted and interpreted with Ejin's quoting "koga only good for VW". I only justified the list that someone else had posted and in "that list", koga is good for voidwatch only. I do use koga for some very specific legion chambers/mobs, and a whole slew of events too, so I hope I hadn't biased it so much! I'll delve deeper in the analysis if it if end up writing the SAM one.
 Phoenix.Dramatica
Offline
Server: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
user: Darkmagi1
Posts: 1285
By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-02-19 23:03:35
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Alright, I had just assumed you were implying that the only event where koga shines is VW.
 Ragnarok.Presidentobama
Offline
Server: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
user: kasain
Posts: 585
By Ragnarok.Presidentobama 2013-02-19 23:51:32
Link | Quote | Reply
 
You can self skill chain darkness with the relic staff. Bebe does GoT + empy WS = darkness. so it does allow you to self sc for more damage.

He doesn't have shattersoul, but if GoT + shattersoul make darkness it would be a powerful sc.
 Bismarck.Shyral
Offline
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
user: shyral
Posts: 128
By Bismarck.Shyral 2013-02-19 23:59:00
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
powerfuk sc.

/scared
 Odin.Jassik
VIP
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Jassik
Posts: 9534
By Odin.Jassik 2013-02-20 00:48:42
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
You can self skill chain darkness with the relic staff. Bebe does GoT + empy WS = darkness. so it does allow you to self sc for more damage. He doesn't have shattersoul, but if GoT + shattersoul make darkness it would be a powerful sc.

Wait how does that work....
 Fenrir.Sylow
Offline
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6862
By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-02-20 01:17:37
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Myrkr doesn't even have SC properties, lol.
 Odin.Jassik
VIP
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Jassik
Posts: 9534
By Odin.Jassik 2013-02-20 01:22:11
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Myrkr doesn't even have SC properties, lol.

I'm just as concerned with the idea of performing a WS with relic staff, changing staff, then closing a SC with that staff's WS.
[+]
 Odin.Eikechi
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Eike
Posts: 9265
By Odin.Eikechi 2013-02-20 01:24:06
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Odin.Jassik said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Myrkr doesn't even have SC properties, lol.

I'm just as concerned with the idea of performing a WS with relic staff, changing staff, then closing a SC with that staff's WS.

[+]
 Odin.Jassik
VIP
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Jassik
Posts: 9534
By Odin.Jassik 2013-02-20 01:26:38
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Not "how", "why"...
 Odin.Eikechi
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Eike
Posts: 9265
By Odin.Eikechi 2013-02-20 01:27:07
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Odin.Jassik said: »
Not "how", "why"...

fun? idk, I think it's silly too lol
 Fenrir.Jinjo
VIP
Offline
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
user: Minjo
Posts: 2269
By Fenrir.Jinjo 2013-02-20 01:29:46
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Perhaps he thinks Retribution is the Empyrean WS. I wouldn't be surprised at this point.
[+]
 Cerberus.Kvazz
Offline
Server: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
user: kvazz
Posts: 5345
By Cerberus.Kvazz 2013-02-20 01:36:52
Link | Quote | Reply
 
I just assumed he meant the mythic ws.
 Fenrir.Jinjo
VIP
Offline
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
user: Minjo
Posts: 2269
By Fenrir.Jinjo 2013-02-20 01:48:59
Link | Quote | Reply
 
It doesn't skillchain with Vidohunir.. ?_?
[+]
 Ragnarok.Afania
Online
Server: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
user: Afania
Posts: 2822
By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-02-20 02:11:30
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Bismarck.Keityan said: »

With zerg situations like this, I have been wary of using Koga because the reliance on using the first Rana for a 30-60 second fight.


If the fight is only 30~60 sec, why not pull another random mob to use Rana on for AM3, then pop ADL right away with AM3 on?
 Lakshmi.Aelius
VIP
Offline
Server: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
user: Aelius
By Lakshmi.Aelius 2013-02-20 02:15:32
Link | Quote | Reply
 
This thread just became sticky.
[+]
 Fenrir.Sylow
Offline
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6862
By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-02-20 02:23:36
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Has anyone actually run numbers on staves? There's no way Claustrum even holds a candle to Nirvana for a Melee SMN, but it seems like Plenitas Virga might actually stand a chance to beat it.

Mystic Boon averages 700+ with Mjollnir, so I'm sure you could get similar or better returns on Spirit Taker with Plenitas Virga leaving you free to use a more powerful Shattersoul than you could with Claustrum.

100TP Gates of Tartarus is giving you 8mp/tic refresh for 20 seconds, so you're only getting 53 mp back. And I'm assuming you're meleeing on SMN, because BLM is just a bad idea, so you probably have an avatar out, and meleeing means you're not really making use of -perpetuation gear so you're going to be locked into using, GoT or using Spirit Taker interspersed with Shattersoul as outlined above with 15 more base damage and +15 accuracy but -20 INT and 15 less attack. (Spirit Taker is 50% INT / 50% MND, Shattersoul 100% INT).
[+]
 Fenrir.Sylow
Offline
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6862
By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-02-20 02:25:02
Link | Quote | Reply
 
I know it's 3:30 am when I'm seriously pondering staff DD.

Good night.
[+]
 Ramuh.Austar
Offline
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
user: Austar
Posts: 10481
By Ramuh.Austar 2013-02-20 02:35:20
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Has anyone actually run numbers on staves?
I could tomorrow evening. GoT for relic and Spirit Taker for Plenitas?
Offline
Posts: 657
By Gimp 2013-02-20 02:41:35
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Could you also compare the DoT difference of 95 Claustrum vs 90 Hvergelmir(100 tp for aftermath)

and the DoT 99 vs 99 version of each (same aftermath for hverg) respectively?
 Odin.Eikechi
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Eike
Posts: 9265
By Odin.Eikechi 2013-02-20 02:43:39
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Has anyone actually run numbers on staves? There's no way Claustrum even holds a candle to Nirvana for a Melee SMN, but it seems like Plenitas Virga might actually stand a chance to beat it.

Mystic Boon averages 700+ with Mjollnir, so I'm sure you could get similar or better returns on Spirit Taker with Plenitas Virga leaving you free to use a more powerful Shattersoul than you could with Claustrum.

100TP Gates of Tartarus is giving you 8mp/tic refresh for 20 seconds, so you're only getting 53 mp back. And I'm assuming you're meleeing on SMN, because BLM is just a bad idea, so you probably have an avatar out, and meleeing means you're not really making use of -perpetuation gear so you're going to be locked into using, GoT or using Spirit Taker interspersed with Shattersoul as outlined above with 15 more base damage and +15 accuracy but -20 INT and 15 less attack. (Spirit Taker is 50% INT / 50% MND, Shattersoul 100% INT).

Can't you basically get avi's for free or near free without staff slot anyways though?
 Fenrir.Sylow
Offline
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6862
By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-02-20 02:44:56
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Has anyone actually run numbers on staves?
I could tomorrow evening. GoT for relic and Spirit Taker for Plenitas?

I'd assume for Plenitas you'd be using Shattersoul when you don't need MP.

One Spirit Taker should be worth minimum of 9 GoTs worth of MP.
 Fenrir.Sylow
Offline
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6862
By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-02-20 02:45:43
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Plenitas probably looks something like this, I don't know if the store TP pieces are necessary or useful at all.



Claustrum would be stuck using worse gear (just losing the head slot, I guess).
 Fenrir.Sylow
Offline
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6862
By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-02-20 02:46:07
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Odin.Eikechi said: »
[
Can't you basically get avi's for free or near free without staff slot anyways though?

While wearing melee gear? No.
 Ramuh.Austar
Offline
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
user: Austar
Posts: 10481
By Ramuh.Austar 2013-02-20 02:50:43
Link | Quote | Reply
 
I'll figure out numbers for Spirit Taker, Shattersoul, and Myrkr with Claustrum 95/99, Plenitas, and Hvergelmir 90/99 and proper TP sets for them all, /SAM probably.

edit: may as well do it now since people want to text me at 2 am
 Fenrir.Sylow
Offline
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6862
By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-02-20 03:02:18
Link | Quote | Reply
 
The only problem with SMN/SAM is you lose the ability to keep yourself alive.
 Fenrir.Sylow
Offline
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6862
By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-02-20 03:03:50
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Well, it's not the only problem, but yeah.
Offline
Posts: 657
By Gimp 2013-02-20 03:05:03
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Thank you very much.


Is it safe to rule out DA and OAX staves also in comparison to Claustrum? As far as mp recovery with spirit taker spam. DoT/WS wise I'd like to assume a safe bet in claustrum's favor but I don't do math.


@Eikechi: Keep in mind that while meleeing you're going to get back more mp than you're used to that with just a pet out, so you don't necessarily need as much -perp minus gear.

 Ramuh.Austar
Offline
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
user: Austar
Posts: 10481
By Ramuh.Austar 2013-02-20 03:15:47
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The only problem with SMN/SAM is you lose the ability to keep yourself alive.
If you're able to melee, it's probably not incredibly dangerous to start with. Proper BP set though you can keep hastega up and still have plenty of healing BPs in between.
 Fenrir.Sylow
Offline
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6862
By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-02-20 03:24:28
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Objection withdrawn!
Offline
Posts: 657
By Gimp 2013-02-20 03:25:44
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Healing bps are a bit of breather but it's not something you can rely on something as a sole cure against some "competent" ep-dc mobs like in dyna xarc. The damage you'll be doing (even without a melee set) will pull hate off your avatar if you staff skill is leveled even somewhat decently because of how horrible avatar DoT is; granted bps are a bit of breather but as that mob is tearing into your avatar and you're hitting that mob with your swings with the OD 2.5 or ODD you will pull hate back.

Then you spend more time curing yourself with cure iv and getting ss blink back up and watching your avatar's hp. Most of healing bps don't generate hate(or not enough) hate on the avatar itself. I personally use ramuh for shock squall/ chaotic strike double stun helps cut into the mobs attacks and helps on casting, recasting avatars, etc. You could also get "fancy" and pull off a nightmare or sleepga to buy some time(yes that's no squall prior to this ss/blink beforehand).

Ideally you want a mob of that nature to die very quickly but it takes awhile if it's shifting hate onto you a lot which is likely for smn then you will be putting more mp into yourself to stay alive and watch your avatars hp to makes sure it's not killed before your next bp goes off.

Edit: I should consider that for mob you're fighting that you're using shattersoul/spirit taker on claustrum about twice and about two physical bps to kill the mob which would shave off some time and assuming you don't need mp for cures. Hard to say without using Hvergelmir in the same fashion myself.

We're assuming solo of course, but I guess if you put your whm mule in xarc with your smn/sam you win the game regardless!
First Page 2 3 ... 8 9 10 11 12
Log in to post.