Overall Battle System Adjustments For The Future
Overall Battle System Adjustments for the Future
They should be viable options at least.
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Sylph.Peldin said: »
Just because a job has utility doesn't actually balance them for end-game events.
Sounds to me like you like to play a job nobody wants in endgame. I do too, but i wanted to do endgame, so instead of crying about game design, i leveled and geared a new job. Not all jobs are useful in all content, and shouldn't be...
The fact is in a perfect world each job would have a role in endgame let it be buffing/healing/dd/tanking in their own unique way. Sure some jobs can be slightly ahead of others but the gap is too large in the current game.
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Shiva.Arana said: »
then I cite Dragoon a 2h job that is over all very meh and rarely worth a spot in endgame(bar mythic).
SE created jobs that excel in different areas of the game, but they did not create any job that is a 'waste of a spot' in any part of the game. Players decided they'd rather only take the jobs that excel, because they valued success rate over dynamic.
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You can bring one nin and still win. But things changes if you bring two nin and a bst. One thing is being carried by the rest of the group, another actually contributing. A drg is subpar but still contributing something, a nin is just there derping around.
You have to agree it would be nice to be able to play one of the "subpar" dds in today's endgame and not worry about the burden you're placing on your team by them having to pick up the slack of you not being on say drk or war. Not saying all dds should be equal but a tad more balance would be nice.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
You can bring one nin and still win. But things changes if you bring two nin and a bst. One thing is being carried by the rest of the group, another actually contributing. A drg is subpar but still contributing something, a nin is just there derping around.
You'll get better results with more suited jobs, but I don't think anyone was ever arguing this. People insist SE blocked jobs out.. it was clearly the playerbase that did that. Nobody told DRG not to show up to sky in 2004.
Shiva.Arana said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Sylph.Peldin said: »
Just because a job has utility doesn't actually balance them for end-game events.
Sounds to me like you like to play a job nobody wants in endgame. I do too, but i wanted to do endgame, so instead of crying about game design, i leveled and geared a new job. Not all jobs are useful in all content, and shouldn't be...
The fact is in a perfect world each job would have a role in endgame let it be buffing/healing/dd/tanking in their own unique way. Sure some jobs can be slightly ahead of others but the gap is too large in the current game.
I think your missing the whole point of the job system. Which allows strategies to be built around a range of events from solo play to entire alliances+.
I love war but it is by far the worst solo job but its great for events.
I've never really understood the point of solo in an MMO it seems counterintuitive. Anyway while most 1h jobs may be able solo decently it's not like there's much to be soloed except dynamis. Which most jobs can solo. I suppose Abyssea as well but what's the fun if you don't have procs? Nin is a job meant for group play and currently is poop on a stick in said group play.
All I'm seeing is a lot people commenting on what a job can do with out actually knowing what it can actually do or at the most commenting based on the lowest range players of those jobs who go around full time pearle and pink gear. Like the person telling everyone about how little bst and pup can do and how weak they are while having never played the jobs with bst only leveled to 30 and pup at 0.
Heimdel said: »
All I'm seeing is a lot people commenting on what a job can do with out actually knowing what it can actually do or at the most commenting based on the lowest range players of those jobs who go around full time pearle and pink gear. Like the person telling everyone about how little bst and pup can do and how weak they are while having never played the jobs with bst only leveled to 30 and pup at 0.
You don't need experience with a job to know that it is mathematically inferior in certain situations. A lot of people are basing their statements on this, not some pink PUP they saw once.
No amount of knowledge of the jobs mechanics will make jobs like PUP or DNC viable in end game events like legion, especially compared to jobs like WAR or DRK.
I get that these jobs have functionality beyond damage dealing, but the game is continuing to deviate away from the need for utility. Puppetmaster is a job that is incredibly versatile in a game that does not demand it.
I worry about what they're going to do with H2H. Forget MNK getting left behind, pup is going to go further into 'lolpup' territory if they don't buff it somewhat.
For reference, I leveled bst solo 1-75 on another character, and pup is my favourite job. It upsets me they don't have much of a place in today's metagame, but beyond dynamis and some casual abyssea they really do not.
Or you don't know much about game mechanics and don't understand why 1h jobs have much lower output against high level targets?
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Quote:
The Haste effect planned to be granted to Last Resort will, along with that of Desperate Blows, only be applicable to two-handed weapons. The overlap of the effects would be too significant if the delay reduction applied to one-handed weapons (because of Dual Wield) or to hand-to-hand weapons (because of Martial Arts).
Worthless
That brief moment where i dreamed to play blu/drk with last resort up, shattered to a thousand pieces ; ;
(Occult Acumen doesnt work with blu spells anyways, i so wanted to mb everyones grudge on my self darkness sc for extra tp too /extrasad)
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Or you don't know much about game mechanics and don't understand why 1h jobs have much lower output against high level targets?
Or I understand game mechanics perfectly fine and understand there is a lot more to jobs than what people who don't even play the jobs say they can and can't do.
Heimdel said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Or you don't know much about game mechanics and don't understand why 1h jobs have much lower output against high level targets?
Or I understand game mechanics perfectly fine and understand there is a lot more to jobs than what people who don't even play the jobs say they can and can't do.
What? Dude are you saying that people in 2013 haven't figured out ANY of the jobs yet? People understand what Beastmaster can and can't do just fine. If you truly think BST or PUP can keep up with a 2H DD against ADL, Legion Mobs, or Odin V2, please (seriously, please) stream it or record it. I'd do backflips to see it, if only to piss of the DDs in my linkshell.
Not every job should be useful in every situation. If this game had a locked class system i could get on board, but it doesn't. My main job was rdm... See a lot of those in endgame?
Lets just give all jobs a+ on all weapons, Sam to dual wield gkt's, let blu morph into a soul flayer, whm's get ukko's, and give 5 subjobs with all native spells and abilities. When did ffxiah become the official forum?
Lets just give all jobs a+ on all weapons, Sam to dual wield gkt's, let blu morph into a soul flayer, whm's get ukko's, and give 5 subjobs with all native spells and abilities. When did ffxiah become the official forum?
Looks like this should be used again(took me a bit to find it again)
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Not every job should be useful in every situation. If this game had a locked class system i could get on board, but it doesn't. My main job was rdm... See a lot of those in endgame?
Lets just give all jobs a+ on all weapons, Sam to dual wield gkt's, let blu morph into a soul flayer, whm's get ukko's, and give 5 subjobs with all native spells and abilities. When did ffxiah become the official forum?
Lets just give all jobs a+ on all weapons, Sam to dual wield gkt's, let blu morph into a soul flayer, whm's get ukko's, and give 5 subjobs with all native spells and abilities. When did ffxiah become the official forum?
Odin.Jassik said: »
Lets just give all jobs a+ on all weapons, Sam to dual wield gkt's, let blu morph into a soul flayer, whm's get ukko's, and give 5 subjobs with all native spells and abilities. When did ffxiah become the official forum?
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Bahamut.Cantontai said: »
Heimdel said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Or you don't know much about game mechanics and don't understand why 1h jobs have much lower output against high level targets?
Or I understand game mechanics perfectly fine and understand there is a lot more to jobs than what people who don't even play the jobs say they can and can't do.
What? Dude are you saying that people in 2013 haven't figured out ANY of the jobs yet? People understand what Beastmaster can and can't do just fine. If you truly think BST or PUP can keep up with a 2H DD against ADL, Legion Mobs, or Odin V2, please (seriously, please) stream it or record it. I'd do backflips to see it, if only to piss of the DDs in my linkshell.
People dont understand, ive seen alot of situations where ive kept up or even pass 2H on bst but ppl are so stuck on the X job cant do it they refuse to even try.
Either you eyeballed that or they sucked.
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Most likely the latter.
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Shiva.Arana said: »
Either you eyeballed that or they sucked.
Or bst can be that good but we all know no one will ever admit that.
BST is not beating WARs DRKs and SAMs in Mul. Lol. Or ever, really.
Math is only an opinion anyway.
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I would cheer from the highest roof tops and never change jobs if this were true, I love beast but fact is it lacks any major buffs other than dw from /nin and it uses 1h which nerfs it's damage output on higher end targets. We've got a cool ws tied to a shitty weapon that's about it.
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Currently 20 jobs, soon to be 22. content is made for 6 to 18 people, it shouldnt be hard to figure out some more jobs are gonna be left out even if job balance+bandwagon changes things drastically.
At best any combat adjustments are going to just stir the pot and change who rises and falls (and gets left out).
At best any combat adjustments are going to just stir the pot and change who rises and falls (and gets left out).
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
People dont understand, ive seen alot of situations where ive kept up or even pass 2H on bst but ppl are so stuck on the X job cant do it they refuse to even try.
Bst is good in specific situations, the only times in can be a competitive DD is against monsters with low defense. This is not a matter of opinion, or preference, the mathematical maximum damage a 2H can deal vs 1H is higher in most any situation worth bragging about with current gear options. If you think other wise you are fooling yourself, someone doesn't need to play a job to do math for it given that we know just about (if not everything) there to know about how damage is calculated.
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Asura.Ina said: »
Bst is good in specific situations, the only times in can be a competitive DD is against monsters with low defense. This is not a matter of opinion, or preference, the mathematical maximum damage a 2H can deal vs 1H is higher in most any situation worth bragging about with current gear options. If you think other wise you are fooling yourself, someone doesn't need to play a job to do math for it given that we know just about (if not everything) there to know about how damage is calculated.
And are pets added to this dmg?
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