Best Non Emp/relic/mythic Dyna Farming Axes

yeah I deleted my post, because I guess it was a rant on my behalf. Though I do strongly believe that a thf instead of a bst will both increase the mobs in the zone as well as increase the amount of currency for the individual. If a bst is holding 4~5 mobs and taking their time killing that is stopping the flow because there are only a certain amount of mobs on a 5min timer. Where as a thf can constantly kill 1 mob at a time, put TH6~7 on it and come out infront of a bst almost 100% of the time.

Also the parse can be found Farming dyna currency under dnc topics. I erased anything with any reference to the zone. That parse was also farmed after the 12/12 update.

I apologize for any hostilities felt.

thanx neo. I'm really interested in checking out the parse.

I know how frustrating some players can be.
I had a bst being a real jerk the other day when fighting over mobs (even when there were plenty) when I was finishing up an xp trial on mnk.
and had to remind myself its the players...

BRD pulling has a hidden effect : Makes all BST go back to EP zones or warp to their Homepoint. So there's no way you make 210 as bst with brd sam and thf trio the DC mobs.

I don't solo. I 2-box a bard, which allows me to kill DC mobs faster than I can solo EP mobs. So my average currency wouldn't help you, but if you care, my average so far as dnc/thf + brd/whm has been steadily rising. I started off doing low to mid 300's per run. Now I'm consistently over 400 per run, 467 being my best so far. I guess I could go solo one day to give you an idea of how much better dnc/thf is than bst/dnc, but I'd rather not lose out on the farm. Suffice it to say, even if the bard mule was doubling my coin count (which I doubt) I'd still be steadily over 200 solo.

I wouldn't do DC's though if I was solo on DNC/THF. I think the only job worth soloing DC's on is BLU/DNC with Almace... and perhaps, MAYBE THF/DNC with a Mandau. Both of these jobs have really good burst damage every 45 seconds or so.

I wasn't talking about a trio. I was talking about any one of those jobs will be a better solo than BST/DNC given good gear for both sides. BST/DNC does best with bad gear. However, BLU, DNC, and THF scale better with gear (namely weapons) and have better potential than BST for pulling in serious coin.

I thought this was fairly common knowledge on these forums. If not, you can browse the thf, dnc, and blu forums to see what people can pull in solo.

It's very difficult to say, but I would imagine that THF can probably pull in the most average coins solo on EP without competition. Dancer is very very close, but Mandau is just a much stronger weapon for dynamis than Twashtar and the SA'd weaponskills do a lot more as THF than /THF. BLU will do better on DC than both of these jobs though and depending on your server or what time you are able to go to dynamis, going BLU on DC camps will allow you to avoid competition and get a higher farm average.

I've played around in Dynamis with all of these jobs (thf, dnc, blu, bst). I prefer DNC with my bard mule. Mainly because with double marches and haste, my kill speed is extremely fast, even on DC, so I like having Wild Flourish for the extra JA proc.

However, if I were to go back to soloing, I would prefer BLU during high competition, and probably DNC during low competition. I don't have a Mandau though. If I did I'd probably use THF instead of DNC, even though I'd be somewhat reluctant to give up Wild Flourish.

@Pleebo
Thanks a lot for the replies.
Don't have Mekira-oto +1 so I guess I'll go with twilight, it's the closest thing I have.
Also from your replies I'm getting there is no better axe aside ToTM ones :(
If I were to make one (or multiple!) think it would be more a STR one rather than a PDT, these days I hardly use BST for anything other than dyna farming and tbh I'm pretty happy with the amount of damage my Falcorr takes. Even with bad pulls, aggro, links, mobs not staggering and whatnot, I rarely have to use more than 3 food per run.
I have to say though that my reward set, while not perfect, is pretty nice, and those augmented AF2+2 boots clearly make a difference, unless hyppos' nihility song dispel your regen effect, which kinda sucks :P

So you never bothered with hybrid sets either. So many people doin it, makes me wonder why.
Basically it's set1 vs set2

Set1:
Ocelo+1, Toci's, Brego, Moepapa, AF3+2 legs, Ghadhab nails

Set2:
Ocelo+1, Toci's, Brego, Twilight, AF3+2 legs, AF3+2 feet

26% haste vs 25%. You get more roughly 11,5 more attack but less STR tiers and DA-5%.
I wonder: would Porthos Byrnie fit in a TP set for BST?

Set3:
AF3+2 head, Byrnie, AF3+2 hands, Moepapa, AF3+2 legs, Ghadhab. (26% haste, +11,5 att)

Set4:
AF3+2 head, Byrnie, AF3+2 hands, Twilight, AF3+2 legs, AF3+2 feet (25% haste, +5% DA)

Use a NQ Mekira-oto. No one will know but you :X

The stone is basically a nice pet boost for a minor trade-off in master DPS. I honestly can't say if that trade-of is worth it so maybe someone else can fill you in on that. Really the best thing you can do for your BST is replace your offhand.

So either set 1 or 2. Byrnie is blah (and ugly! shines with a glorious radiance that transcends beauty itself, according to Eikechi).

Pleebo you take that back! The orange metal is dope! lol. I always loved using it for WS, but that TP piece is garbage.

Fixed

You sir, are hilarious. I appreciate the chuckle I got from that.

@peldin
I searched thru the blu, thf, and DNC, threads for the numbers you are talking about.

Aside from neokenises' incredible parse, there are none which surpass BST/DNC. Your 2box claims on doc's for blue and brd are inferior to average BST/DNC solo, and your DNC and brd 2 boxing is equivalent to best solo.

The high end claims in some threads are up to 300 for what sounds like a solo.... But its hard to say. I've seen all claim 270 more often than anything else for a high.

Those jobs often have to have incredibly good gear as well.

It appears that a good blue, thf or DNC can match a BST solo, but more often its a 2 boxed one w/ buffs to improve kill speed.

I find that reassuring that there is a bit more balance in dyna farming. It does not need to be all BST. However, it really needs an increase to magic proc rates to relieve congestion.

I might try my solo BST at DC mobs again, because I really can't maximize my dd on ep mobs in dyna anymore... And i almost have my skadi +1 hands done. 27% pet haste is quite the boost.

If I wear my pet hybrid set did set in dyna, I often need to heel/stay my pet, because I really kill it way too fast. I only have a chance for 2 or 3 steps on most ep mobs if using my hybrid set and familiar. Then again, maybe I should just follow the pattern i've seen from some other BST in always going after 2x mobs. More time to proc that way and just let buffed up pet do the killing.... Kinda feels a waste of ruinator though.

Yes, a hybrid set in Dynamis is far more damage in Dynamis than a master only did set..
The level correction for ~30 or 40 levels gives pet a huge boost in damage. If killer effects worked properly in Dynamis it would be an even better boost. I would be hunting DC all the time for sure if that were the case.

The biggest difference for these averages seems to be competition w/ other players. DC camps are far less crowded.

That's incorrect. My highest claim on BLU with BRD mule was somewhere in the mid 300's which is much higher than even the best soloers. Lately I've been able to get over 400, as high as 460ish using a DNC with BRD mule. That's no where close to "equivalent to best solo."

My gear for both jobs is good, but it's nothing fantastic. I could try BST with my BRD mule but obviously my pet would get no benefit, and I'd only have TH1 instead of TH2, so there's no point in even wasting my time trying. This difference in TH is one of the reasons BST starts to fall behind a little.


The problem with magic proc rates is that they can be spammed much faster than JA procs, and with a BRD, they can be used at no cost. Even JA procs at least cost a lil tp. It's just hard for SE to find that balance I guess.

I feel that WS procs are just as bad though. Even if you use Energy Drain, you still have to build TP, and unless you're using those shitty OA2-4 weapons to keep your damage low, it's still very difficult to even proc DC mobs with weaponskills before killing them. With EP... you can really only get off like 2(?) Energy Drains, possibly 3(?) with Reverse Flourish before you TP the mob to death. It's pretty dumb.

I tried the WS proc thing with a THF friend of mine who dual wielded OA2-4 daggers on DC bats in Qufim. I had my bard give him marches + haste and his scholar gave him Adloquium and he was able to proc a fair amount, using Wasp Sting I think. The only more ideal condition than that would be a corsair mule instead of the scholar. Of course we only did this when we had to avoid competition and the best we ever did was a lil over 600. Split 2 ways isn't very good for 2 dual boxers, but it's probably about the best you can expect for WS procs.

I generally use a PDT & Evasion axes with Dipper. I feel it is a good combo. Just due to her evasion bonus. I usually pull a mob stagger it snarl and go after another. Dipper can usually hold and kill like 10+ mobs in my set up. (note: I'm not holding all those mobs if the zone is busy) Plus if you have a good reward build, Zeta pet food will be just fine. I usually carry a stack Theta food for emergency's, but I never need to use it during a Dyna farm. Hope it helps.

How u get that?

With Anwing salade, Moepapa stone, Armada feet, Skadi +1 hands I calculate 18% only. What am I missing?

Spurrer's/anwig 5%
Armada sollerets 4%
Moepapa stone. 5%
Skadi bazubands +1 3%
Familiar w/ monster trousers 10%

Total 27%

@peldin
When comparing solo to dual box, you need to divide total by 2.
You could solo BST on each character instead to make more than your 348 blu and brd duo.

I've seen BST solo claim 270 as well. And I've done 230,though I've not done alot of BST farming for a long time.
So yes, your best duo has the same intake rate as my best solo.

Dunno, if you have a solid mp refresh idle set (or refresh/refresh2) do you really have an mp cost to consider for spamming stuff like dia?

WS proc works wonderfully for PUP, it's friggin awesome. Altough I'm afraid that's not "working as intended".
Aside from PUP yeah, it's kinda bad I suppose.

There is a very good discussion about magic proc rates in dynamis on SE's official forums: here

I reccomend looking at the conversation and analysis mainly by Motenten and Byrth on this page. Also at the response from Developers. They think its still balanced.

I'll attempt to summarize...
it appears 8% is proc rate on magic
15% on ja
and 20% on WS
I think he magic is the most accurate of these. the others may be a bit off.

Devs did not state the actual rates, but testing seems to point to these numbers. Dev's did confirm the order of the proc rates and the reasons behind it regarding the rate at which they can be performed.

On paper, the rates rather line up in a balanced fashion. However it seems to have missed alot of practicalities.
1. Magic is subject to universal recast. the max you can get is 15 spells/min but that really requires perfection in spell timing, which is not very possible.
2. Magic casting has to happen alot for buffing/healing which really detracts from proc'ing killing ability, while ja's and ws's are only subject to a 1 second ja/ws delay. they also contribute to the goals of killing and proc'ing.

To balance it out with the practical concerns in mind, it really appears taking magic to 15% proc rate instead of 8% would do it.

The main goal ofcourse is to make magic proc about as viable as JA proc and releive congestion and balance out the zones more.