PLD Vs NIN...Who Is The Best Tank?

I coulnt see all the details but what was this NIN subbing? DNC? IF so i will have to give this one a shot if it is do-able.
Thanks for the clip.

Any job with movement speed can kite sandworm easy enough.

Nah; Dispel and Sleep are 320 CE each and Sleep II is 480 CE. Plus similar to a PLD (though less effectively) you can do self-cure cheats if you feel the need. Most of the time damage against you just gets eaten by Stoneskin anyway.

tbh the order of importance is Support > Tank > DD's

I've solo tanked byakko on pld with a good support team, and I've also wiped to byakko at 70% with 2 pld's. All depends on how well the support team stuns/heals/buffs/debuffs.

One thing I don't see mentioned here is MDB. Most -ga can be stunned, however there are plenty of times when a stun is missing here and there and an MDB set can save lives. For instance, Ultima's Countdown, not stunnable and most nin's would die in a heartbeat. idk how much MDB a nin can get but I'm sure it's not anywhere near what pld can (IR, aegis etc).

Another thing is tp moves that aren't absorbed by shadows. MOST of the time this isn't much of a problem since it wont strip you of shadows. Only thing I can think of is that Eruca attack "Incinerate", Though it's not the best example since it's a 60~ xp mob, so neither pld nor nin will have much MDB (or fire resistance for that matter) at that point.

Shield Mastery and the fact that most of the bad PLDs (or simply most of the PLDs, lol) full time AF1 feet and other shield things (sup boxer). I have seen a lot, too many Khimaira and such where LSs would save their *** from a wipe just because of Shield Mastery. And i swear, the PLDs tanking were so bad that nobody wanted them to tank, not even their LSs, they really had no choice.

Blink tanking seems to be hardcore for most tanks in endgame, even the so called badass HNM ones. NIN has absolutely no defense when shadowless, oh yes it has 2 stuns but well, its not as reliable as a block from my experience and iv yet to see a NIN escape from death with 80HP left when Khimaira hit him and a lucky block with Mr. Aegis occurs.

I stand corrected

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Yeah what Veg said

The way ever one is speaking is making nin sound like a 2nd choice. Lets be clear, both jobs need support to tank, its different kids of support but that shows both have a weakness. Next, a lot of whats being said it gear based with some ***that like only 100 people in the game have. All of you have been some where in the game with a near wipe and some nin or /nin has held off a mob or kited until the group was unweak and able to recover for a win. The problem here is that /nin is one of the most (if not the most) useful subs in the game. So we underappereciate it as a main, where as PLD is unique and WAR/WHM isnt the same. And because of our mind set of PLD being the best its because some of the best players we know on our servers are PLDs. Anyone reading this can name 2-10 GREAT Ageis PLDs on their server but alomst no one can name the best nin on your servers. PLDs have been blessed with gear and JAs and other stuff to make them more useful but NIN has all it needs with EASY to get ***. Like Utsu NI, Ichi, enfeds light dd. The long and the short of is it this: Any half *** player can be a "great" pld (and there are TONS of those) but it takes someone who really understands the game to play nin GREAT.... IMO

@aust on what yuffi i ssaying i believe he means Nin is dependant on luck when not played well and pld is dependant on support quuality, Me being a Nin i used to seriously hope i got lucky and evaded or parryed or i knew i'd never get off that ichi until Ni was up now with all my eva and parry i dont even use ichi anymore, but like i said before not everyone has all the eva gear i have and 210 parry skill, i am in no way bragging or trying to brag i got merits and my parrys only that hgih cause Cor75 doing weapon breaks i normally have the hate. and ine the latter PLd is dependant on support quality ok a pld soloing an nm vs a nin soloing the same nm w/o sj factored in imo nin would win w/o support shadows, eva yonin, ninjutsu. All pld has is flash sentinal rampart and cures and prot/shell. once pld runs out of mp if u cant cure, its just dieing slowly, though Nin has no back up we have ichi, ni hojo jubaku, dokumori, kurayami and elemental spells. But thats just what i think he means by it i'm not saying Nin can solo anything and everything better than pld in no way my Pld friend Jashin could prolly solo Nms 5x better than me its just in most PT cases whe Nin isnt being played right yur gamblin on luck whether u evade or parry thru an ichi cast, and dependant on support in aPT pld will need outside cures and other dmg

It's not that hard with a half decent EVA setup and maxed EVA merits tbh.

OnTopic, I prefer to tank with RDM.

Its simple, no offense but to say this kind of thing your experience of FFXI and even more REAL tanking material that is beyond a Decorative Weapon is very limited if not non existant.

I have co-tanked with many PLDs who have way better gear than me, Aegis/Exca etc and except one who isnt on this server anymore, i have yet to see any of the ones iv co-tanked with be "great" in any way. They cant blink for ***, they dont have any macro even when they play on PC, their flash macro and therefore cycle make me puke, i'm not even gonna talk about the lack of self cure macro and other ***like exploiting Sentinel enmity boost.

So no, not any half *** player can even be DECENT at playing PLD. There is a HUGE difference between the common people posting on any FFXI forum including BG and a GREAT PLD and realistically speaking, the great PLDs are very rare and you wont find them on forums most of the time. Either people are geared like retards (i'm not saying the guy doesnt have X or Y equipment, i mean his equipment makes 0 sense) or they play like retards but the people to be even decent on either are very rare nowadays. Dont think that anyone with an Aegis or an ares cuirass is decent, hell even a D ring, these people will 99% of the time wipe the floor like sissies.

I have co-tanked with very good NINs along with tanking NIN myself and maybe its because of the gear i had, i dont know, but NIN was way more peaceful to play than PLD in my experience (/DRK that is, i tried /RDM on Kirin and it was just as easy though). So imo its just a matter of gameplay which one is better, if a guy likes NIN but play it like a paraplegic, you can brag all you want on a forum, you dont help the job.

Also, if you cant be neutral in your post, dont post on a thread like this.
I worded it the wrong way actually, both are pretty much based on luck but a NIN without shadows need (i would like to think but i must be wrong) a good player to save his *** from a bad situation (like a COMPLETE PDT set, not an half assed arhat's only one). While PLD just needs Shield Mastery and well, they all have this. The gameplay is too different to really say this one is better than the other.

Both can tank the same things more or less with a few exception in favor of NIN for the eva and a few exception in favor of PLD for the ability to survive extreme situation where damage is involved for sure (and even then, a decent PLD with shield gear and a NIN with PDT/MDT sets would work in either situation).

Conclusion: Stop wetting your panties when you see shiny gear, it doesnt mean the guy is good. And when you see a guy that is tanking like a beast, assume the guy is a beast, not the job he's playing on.

nin can do ungur also even i can... but it can be done so I do not need to go ahead and brag about soloing something.. it has been done. charbydis ungur nin solo etc. It is possible for both i is called skill

you should not open your mouth when you do not have the brain power to look up wiki charbydis talk page to see if ungur or charbydis can be soloed....

@Unicorn.Yuffy
EAD :D Thats about it. I can post what i want to post and say what i want to say. notice the "great" in the "". that was meant to be read as mocking. Everyone thinks that players with that gear x,y and z are "great" when in fact its the skill of the player playing the charter that makes them great. The fact is this. And here is how the tanking really breaks down. Nin is great for tanking if you are good but not really needed or wanted. PLD is far better because it can be a nin almost. the magic diff between nin main and nin sub is 1 shadow. Pld has higher def and more ja for hate more ja and jt for lasting longer and more hp and the use of mp. they can kite with 12% movement speed 24/7. they dont need to blink as much in gear swaps like nins do, and most of the really GREAT plds that i know on my server can tank ***on pld semi afk. Nin tank is good for back up or a hate transfer set up with thfs and sams and blah blah blah. and there are more ways to look at it than my tanking exp dickless. there are other members in the pt to. as a dd or mage i dont want hate if im dealing my dmg or curing to keep the tank alive. my view is from the person watching the tank not the one tanking. no where did i say i was a good tank or that i even liked it. im a mnk and i can tank better on my mnk then i can on my nin. :D i dont like you <3 you suck <3 and i hope you get banned for watching child porn. :D

Will someone please lock this god damn thread?

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plz.

@areaden lol

as yuffy said I have seen shitty plds with gear dime a dozen an example is.... nevermind I wil keep my mouth shut. But.... and only but even plds are ***at casting shadows some times... you do not know if the pld is good a /nin or not for one. PLD is not better at /nin that nin please shut up.

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In the words of some wise old man...

"Not this ***again..."

Old argument is old!
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