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By Feanorsof 2016-11-05 11:49:17
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What's the general consensus for cape augments at the moment? I was going to start with 3 capes:

TP - 20STR 30ACC/ATK DA+10 - this seems to be accepted for TP but wouldn't DEX be beneficial for increased accuracy? My war isn't ready yet so i'm not sure what accuracy is like at higher end events.

Resolution - 30STR 20ACC/ATK DA+10 - was planning to use the dye for str, or should it be acc due to it being a multi hit ws?

Ukko's - 30STR 20ACC/ATK 10% crit rate - does this look right?

What are people using for Upheaval?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2016-11-05 11:53:22
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WSD instead of Crit rate for Ukko's, IIRC.

Also, I'd just as soon use your Rag cape for Ukko's TP unless you're doing crazy evasive content.

There's an argument to be made for 30 STR / 20Acc+Atk / 10 STP for Rag TP.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-11-05 12:33:28
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
WSD instead of Crit rate for Ukko's, IIRC

Ukko's first hit is only 2.0 fTP with each additional hit being 1.0 fTP, WSD doesn't do much when WAR has so much DA.
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By Feanorsof 2016-11-05 12:35:27
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Thanks for the reply, so just to clarify the resolution cape listed above with 30str could be used for TP on both Ukon and Rag? So I can get away with just two capes and then check my STP to see if STP might be needed?
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-11-05 12:48:33
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My TP cape is
STR 20 Acc 30 Atk 20 DA +10

It also doubles for Resolution as I value accuracy pretty high in the content I do. It's very important to have the same accuracy in your WS set as your TP set.

My UF cape is
STR 20 Acc 30 Atk 20 Crit +10

Upheaval cape is

VIT 20 Acc 30 Atk 20 DA +10 (debating switching to WSD as I frequently have WC up when doing Upheaval with Chango but even then the extra hits devalue it).
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By Bismarck.Gippali 2016-11-05 13:13:38
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WSD on cape will give you a decent bump in DPS for Upheaval.

This is my current Upheaval set.
Ody feet are VIT+15/ACC&ATT +30/WSACC+10
ItemSet 335669

You could replace all the Sulev. +1 with Ody or Val depending on augs. My augs on other Upheaval only Ody items have sucked besides the feet.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-11-05 14:13:20
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You know upheaval doesn't copy fTP and that WSD is only on the first hit of a 4 hit WS that you'll average at least one DA on. The only reason I'm even entertaining using WSD is that I go so much DA that it's being devalued with no copy fTP .
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By Bismarck.Gippali 2016-11-05 14:25:27
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Yes, I am aware.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-11-05 14:30:58
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And that the "Weapon Skill Damage +10" on those items is only +0.1 fTP and not WSD +10.
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By Bismarck.Gippali 2016-11-05 14:36:36
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yep.

I use Gorget for neck and Ioskeha for waist.

Edit: guess I had Fotia in waist slot, glad you made me double check.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-11-05 14:59:37
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Bismarck.Gippali said: »
yep.

I use Gorget for neck and Ioskeha for waist.

Edit: guess I had Fotia in waist slot, glad you made me double check.

Ok that makes a lot more sense. I saw fotia belt and you advocating WSD and was like "WTF??".

2500TP (1000 +500 +700 +250 +overflow) Upheaval has 5.0 + 3x 1.0 + 1.0 (average DA) http://fTP. At 3000TP your looking at 6.5 + 3x 1.0 + 1.0. It's in a weird position where it's total fTP is scattered across all the hits but doesn't copy fTP, makes gearing for it awkward. Also you want to make sure you have the same acc, or as close as you can, in both TP and WS sets. That's easy for Resolution but gets really annoying for Upheaval. I ended up dropping VIT to ensure I had sufficient accuracy.

:Edit:

Had a moment to check, so here's my acc values with zero buffs sitting in Mhaura.

GS (Ragnarok)
TP: 1185
Resolution: 1163

GAXE (Chango)
TP: 1143
Upheaval: 1107

And that's after I made some sacrifices.
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By Bismarck.Gippali 2016-11-05 15:21:52
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Bismarck.Gippali said: »
yep.

I use Gorget for neck and Ioskeha for waist.

Edit: guess I had Fotia in waist slot, glad you made me double check.

Ok that makes a lot more sense. I saw fotia belt and you advocating WSD and was like "WTF??".

Hahah sorry! Should have checked the set beforehand.

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2500TP (1000 +500 +700 +250 +overflow) Upheaval has 5.0 + 3x 1.0 + 1.0 (average DA) http://fTP. At 3000TP your looking at 6.5 + 3x 1.0 + 1.0. It's in a weird position where it's total fTP is scattered across all the hits but doesn't copy fTP, makes gearing for it awkward. Also you want to make sure you have the same acc, or as close as you can, in both TP and WS sets. That's easy for Resolution but gets really annoying for Upheaval. I ended up dropping VIT to ensure I had sufficient accuracy.

Yeah my Upheav ACC set looks pretty Wonky. Thankfully, the above is good at i135. Haven't used my War above that level (only my nin).
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-11-05 15:42:29
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Bismarck.Gippali said: »
Yeah my Upheav ACC set looks pretty Wonky. Thankfully, the above is good at i135. Haven't used my War above that level (only my nin).

We've been experimenting with the higher tiers. WAR is pretty bad *** for melee burns due to Warcry / Blood Rage effecting the whole party. Also I don't really bother with "low accuracy" sets, 1100 is the minimum I go for anything I take seriously.
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By Bismarck.Gippali 2016-11-05 16:03:17
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With zero buffs I sit at 1128/1103 with Chango. I could probably squeeze out a bit more here and there.
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2016-11-05 16:13:48
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I hope all you WARs out there are tping in Ioksha +1 and wsing in 5/5 argosy or gtfo. Plz don't use Chango...
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-11-05 16:22:23
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-11-05 16:26:43
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Bismarck.Gippali said: »
With zero buffs I sit at 1128/1103 with Chango. I could probably squeeze out a bit more here and there.

It's a problem I see lots of melee's do. They make acc sets in TP, but then WS in "FULL POWER!" sets that end up being 50~100 accuracy less then TP set. That results in either them either being far beyond the acc cap (and thus wasting a precious buff slot) in TP but barely making acc check in WS, or more likely making the acc check in TP but then whiffing hits on their WS and then making claims like "Torcleaver is so much stronger then Resolution".
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By Asura.Boogerballs 2016-11-08 10:57:10
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Anyone have a war lua i can use?
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By Asura.Boogerballs 2016-11-08 16:29:20
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i know someone out there has one. can they please post it
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By Asura.Fiasko 2016-11-08 17:23:06
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Check the first page, main/first post (near the bottom), of this Topic.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Commencal 2016-11-08 18:23:16
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Here's an alternative instead of Bokura's. This uses Motenten's include.

https://github.com/AlanWarren/gearswap/blob/master/WAR.lua
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By Darkvlade 2016-11-12 11:20:24
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Hello fellow clansmen, has anyone incorporated the New flamma set on both TP/WS sets for both GS/GA (currently using Ragnarok AG and Aganoshe "dmg=26, accc +29, att +14, vit +14, stp +6). Thanks in advance.
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By Asura.Fiasko 2016-11-12 12:53:58
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Darkvlade said: »
Hello fellow clansmen, has anyone incorporated the New flamma set on both TP/WS sets for both GS/GA (currently using Ragnarok AG and Aganoshe "dmg=26, accc +29, att +14, vit +14, stp +6). Thanks in advance.

You can argue that Flamma Zucchetto +1 is worth throwing into your set and the Gamberias if you don't have a well augmented pair of Valorous Greaves. As far as WS its hard to use any of the Flamma because the set has no attack even if it has okay-ish STR.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-11-12 22:31:07
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Darkvlade said: »
Hello fellow clansmen, has anyone incorporated the New flamma set on both TP/WS sets for both GS/GA (currently using Ragnarok AG and Aganoshe "dmg=26, accc +29, att +14, vit +14, stp +6). Thanks in advance.

Your Emp 119 Head is going to be better for TPing. I've been experimenting with the Flamm +1 on some WS's, it's okish, mostly for people who don't have well augmented Valorous / Odyseean or HQ Abjurations.
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By Sylph.Atigevomega 2016-11-14 18:11:35
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Here is mine, not much has changed in my personal since i pasted this, again all credit goes to bokura, i just modified it some. It works great.

http://pastebin.com/ahztGkt4
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By Shiva.Kohh 2016-11-25 08:52:28
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Anyone have updated reso set for Mighty Strikes low acc and high acc?
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By ocean 2016-11-27 22:18:14
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Wouldn't Emicho +1 body/hands be bis for tping?
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-11-28 01:27:25
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ocean said: »
Wouldn't Emicho +1 body/hands be bis for tping?

Majority of time yes. Lots of Accuracy, Attack, Double Attack and Store TP. They expensive and kinda rare so most use the NQ instead which can be beat by really good augments on Valorous.
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By ocean 2016-11-28 01:28:23
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I see! Gratzy!
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By geigei 2016-11-28 03:52:56
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Any flamma piece worth getting?
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