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By Asura.Fiasko 2024-11-21 22:59:41
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Sylph.Timepassesbye said: »
as a general rule of thumb, if the gear effects the duration of an ability, you only need wear it upon activation, if it effects the potency, you need to keep it equipped to receive the bonus. On the restraint page, it does explicitly state that you only need to wear on activation, however as Fiasko said, Boii mufflers will be your go-to weapon skill piece anyway, so you'll likely build around it anyway.
In this case the wiki states that it doesn't need to be worn during the WS, but it still needs to be worn during the melee round for the full duration of the JA to receive the increase to its potency.

See the original gloves page, it says that they need to be equipped while the buff is active and the actual melee swings are happening.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Rvg._Mufflers_%2B1
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By Lili 2024-11-22 11:36:25
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This post by Ejin explains a bit better how Restraint works.
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/17977/restraint-and-ravager-mufflers-2

Wearing the gloves doubles the amount each hit "charges". The amount of charge "stored" does not change if you unequip the gloves, and the gloves do not need to be equipped for the charge to be used. The Restraint page on BG-Wiki has some links to posts that explain the mechanics.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2024-11-22 12:25:19
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Asura.Fiasko said: »
Sylph.Timepassesbye said: »
as a general rule of thumb, if the gear effects the duration of an ability, you only need wear it upon activation, if it effects the potency, you need to keep it equipped to receive the bonus. On the restraint page, it does explicitly state that you only need to wear on activation, however as Fiasko said, Boii mufflers will be your go-to weapon skill piece anyway, so you'll likely build around it anyway.
In this case the wiki states that it doesn't need to be worn during the WS, but it still needs to be worn during the melee round for the full duration of the JA to receive the increase to its potency.

See the original gloves page, it says that they need to be equipped while the buff is active and the actual melee swings are happening.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Rvg._Mufflers_%2B1

That's not entirely accurate actually. agoge mask and it's various iterations affect both the duration AND function of Warcry (Savagery), but it only needs to be on for activation. Items like shukuyu sune-ate and bhikku gaiters +3 both only need to be on during activation for the footwork bonuses.

I think for the most part, empy gear implemented a you must wear it after activation requirement to gear, but in general before that most things only required you must wear for activation.

Edit: there are exceptions
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By Felgarr 2024-11-22 18:13:01
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Is there any point in me keeping a Dolichenus around if I have Ikenga's axe R25-30? (I'd like to reduce some of my WAR sets and keep things like Dolichensus on a storage slip if it's fallen out of favor).

...I'm leaning towards, No, and just gonna store it on Slip 23?
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By Nariont 2024-11-22 18:46:39
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I mean doli decimation is a very good spam ws, especially on war that can have a very high chance to get a DA roll on both hits at minimum. Not sure how that compares to the other axe ws' though
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-11-22 19:01:45
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It's a different style of Axe/WS cycle. Ikenga's is likely going to be either Fencer build or high effective TP for large Mistral Axe/Calamity damage, so a TP overflow for it is fine. Dolichenus is going to be Decimation spam as soon as you get 1k TP since it doesn't scale with TP. You'd probably use a cool offhand with Dolichenus too, like the ultimate-dust-collector-in-my-MH of R15 Sangarius +1 or Zantetsuken xD. If you want to spam out pretty busted Decimations with Berserk as fast as possible, Dolichenus is a pretty fun option to use. I think WAR just suffers from attrition too much because they have so many weapon options (Shining One, Chango, Ukonvasara, Loxotic Mace +1, Naegling, Ikenga's, Helheim, Laphria); it's a challenge to find time for all of these options when some are simply inferior to others, so it's fine to carry one axe and say "good enough".

But it sounds like he already has his mind made up, so he doesn't need our validation or support to store the weapon away. I haven't used Dolichenus on WAR since I tried having a little fun in a seg farming group a long time ago; usually I use it on BST though. By the way, I had no idea pulse ambu weapons could be stored on slips =)
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2024-11-22 19:26:46
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Dolichenus is best non-Farsha axe for Cloudsplitter too. Only axe with matk on it.
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By Kaffy 2024-11-22 19:59:37
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This is on bst, with Killer Instinct and a triple proc. It's a fun axe, and very strong.



Oh I'll mention the solo SC Decimation > Smash Axe > Decimation > Decimation for extra fun!
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By Felgarr 2024-11-22 20:37:09
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Kaffy said: »
This is on bst, with Killer Instinct and a triple proc. It's a fun axe, and very strong.



Oh I'll mention the solo SC Decimation > Smash Axe > Decimation > Decimation for extra fun!

Haha that's wild!

Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
It's a different style of Axe/WS cycle. Ikenga's is likely going to be either Fencer build or high effective TP for large Mistral Axe/Calamity damage, so a TP overflow for it is fine. Dolichenus is going to be Decimation spam as soon as you get 1k TP since it doesn't scale with TP. You'd probably use a cool offhand with Dolichenus too, like the ultimate-dust-collector-in-my-MH of R15 Sangarius +1 or Zantetsuken xD. If you want to spam out pretty busted Decimations with Berserk as fast as possible, Dolichenus is a pretty fun option to use. I think WAR just suffers from attrition too much because they have so many weapon options (Shining One, Chango, Ukonvasara, Loxotic Mace +1, Naegling, Ikenga's, Helheim, Laphria); it's a challenge to find time for all of these options when some are simply inferior to others, so it's fine to carry one axe and say "good enough".

But it sounds like he already has his mind made up, so he doesn't need our validation or support to store the weapon away. I haven't used Dolichenus on WAR since I tried having a little fun in a seg farming group a long time ago; usually I use it on BST though. By the way, I had no idea pulse ambu weapons could be stored on slips =)

No, my mind was not made up. You guys have shown me that it is worth the extra toggle in my Axe /WS rotation. :)

Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
By the way, I had no idea pulse ambu weapons could be stored on slips =)
Wait until you upgrade everything to +3 and you start dropping Storage Slips ...it's a crazy feeling.
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By Nariont 2024-11-22 20:48:18
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
You'd probably use a cool offhand with Dolichenus too, like the ultimate-dust-collector-in-my-MH of R15 Sangarius +1 or Zantetsuken xD.


FWIW in the sim ikengas is also BiS OH for dolideci
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Warrior
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By Kaffy 2024-11-22 20:56:24
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I don't see why WAR couldn't consistently cap damage with good gear, my pic was with nothing but r0 Gleti and a Sacro Mantle lmao. Gere Ring was the only source of triple.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-11-22 21:13:33
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Nariont said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
You'd probably use a cool offhand with Dolichenus too, like the ultimate-dust-collector-in-my-MH of R15 Sangarius +1 or Zantetsuken xD.


FWIW in the sim ikengas is also BiS OH for dolideci
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Warrior
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By zeta 2024-11-23 18:54:22
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Nariont said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
You'd probably use a cool offhand with Dolichenus too, like the ultimate-dust-collector-in-my-MH of R15 Sangarius +1 or Zantetsuken xD.


FWIW in the sim ikengas is also BiS OH for dolideci
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Warrior

Is page pretty accurate or should I just use SIM tool to be sure? Hope i can be lazy today. Thanks.
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By Izanami 2024-11-23 19:10:46
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zeta said: »
Nariont said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
You'd probably use a cool offhand with Dolichenus too, like the ultimate-dust-collector-in-my-MH of R15 Sangarius +1 or Zantetsuken xD.


FWIW in the sim ikengas is also BiS OH for dolideci
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Warrior

Is page pretty accurate or should I just use SIM tool to be sure? Hope i can be lazy today. Thanks.

You can be lazy today unless you wanted more specialized sets. The WAR sets on that page should be accurate as of today actually.

I saw Nariont's post and it reminded me to finally update those sets while I had some free time this weekend. I'm currently working through updating all of the sets posted to BG Wiki last year with sets found using the most recent version of the code. The WAR, MNK, THF, DRK, NIN, SAM, and DRG sets should be up to date right now. I'll go back through them later to add more sets after I've finished updating the existing sets everywhere else.

The main page for that BG Wiki guide has also been updated to give details on the buffs/debuffs used to create those sets. I'll post about this in my thread sometime later when I finish.
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By Mekaider 2024-12-04 06:36:56
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Lili said: »
This post by Ejin explains a bit better how Restraint works.
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/17977/restraint-and-ravager-mufflers-2

Wearing the gloves doubles the amount each hit "charges". The amount of charge "stored" does not change if you unequip the gloves, and the gloves do not need to be equipped for the charge to be used. The Restraint page on BG-Wiki has some links to posts that explain the mechanics.

Hi,

New to WAR and had a question on this: Do people swap in the hands with restraint up? I don't see it happening in tp sets in the common luas and after reading the JA page, and not seeing evidence of others doing it, nor is it mentioned in the BG community guide, I'm not sure if I should be or not.

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By Asura.Hya 2024-12-04 06:42:11
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Mekaider said: »
Lili said: »
This post by Ejin explains a bit better how Restraint works.
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/17977/restraint-and-ravager-mufflers-2

Wearing the gloves doubles the amount each hit "charges". The amount of charge "stored" does not change if you unequip the gloves, and the gloves do not need to be equipped for the charge to be used. The Restraint page on BG-Wiki has some links to posts that explain the mechanics.

Hi,

New to WAR and had a question on this: Do people swap in the hands with restraint up? I don't see it happening in tp sets in the common luas and after reading the JA page, and not seeing evidence of others doing it, nor is it mentioned in the BG community guide, I'm not sure if I should be or not.

Thanks!
No, wear actually good TP hands. Sakpata's Gauntlets are great, even unaugmented.
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By Kaffy 2024-12-17 05:21:22
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Agwu's Claymore R0 vs. Montante +1 R15 still seems in favor of Agwu if I will always have sam roll and other buffs right? More of everything basically except that 11 stp. Am I missing anything? I don't want to invest a ton of RP into it because I will be working on Helheim.
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By Dodik 2024-12-17 05:40:36
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Montante is not that great even at R15, can definitely skip it for Agwu R0. It's mostly just for making SCs, typically ground strike for darkness/distortion.
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By Atrox78 2024-12-17 06:53:45
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Dodik said: »
Montante is not that great even at R15, can definitely skip it for Agwu R0. It's mostly just for making SCs, typically ground strike for darkness/distortion.

Or skip both and make the prime GS and then regret it like I did lol (thank goodness it's good on Drk).
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By Kaffy 2024-12-17 07:22:08
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Why do you regret making prime GS with regard to warrior?
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-12-17 07:30:44
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By Atrox78 2024-12-17 07:39:28
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Kaffy said: »
Why do you regret making prime GS with regard to warrior?

I had originally got it thinking i could use it as main prime on war (and getting use of it on drk at the same time) and although the dmg at high tp is goodish, it fails miserably compared chango or savage spam. War IMO just dosent have enough pdl options to push it to cap like drk does (war swapping in sakpatas is loosing out on wsd which these weapons need). The tp speed felt lack luster (even in 100da sets) and it didnt cap damage for me on war (have r25 nyame, r25 sakpatas etc. Not a gear issue). Instead of it becoming my new main war weapon, it tends to only serve as a darkness option or it did until i made Laphria.

The stage 4 GAX is the weapon I should have made in the first place hense the regret, it performs substantially better then the GS for war imo. The delay on the GA just feels right. Not having to swap weapons for armor break is also a huge plus as well and it's easier to get higher ws numbers with it in my experience.

Since I already had Foenaria and caldbolg for drk, I didn't really need the GS but i will say that it does pretty good for drk. Just wish I would have spent muffins on something else.
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By Kaffy 2024-12-17 07:53:30
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I don't have any primes much less 3-4, so that's good info to take into consideration. I figured with as much use as Chango gets I could give Helheim a chance to switch things up occasionally. Probably sit on gall and stones until I can do a stage 4 so will have plenty of time to reevaluate.
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By Taint 2024-12-17 07:53:55
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Kaffy said: »
Why do you regret making prime GS with regard to warrior?


Its an amazing MS Weapon for WAR but I could see people preferring a GA option for breaks and SCs.

WAR should have been on Axe, that would have a been a beast combo.
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By Atrox78 2024-12-17 08:12:21
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Taint said: »
Kaffy said: »
Why do you regret making prime GS with regard to warrior?


Its an amazing MS Weapon for WAR but I could see people preferring a GA option for breaks and SCs.

WAR should have been on Axe, that would have a been a beast combo.

Agreed with this. It does well under mighty strikes but, that's the only time I've been impressed and the GA does the same thing.

GA is definitely the way to go for primes on war.

Also, I also agree about the one handed axe! War would wreck with it.
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By Asura.Saevel 2024-12-17 09:27:31
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Taint said: »
WAR should have been on Axe, that would have a been a beast combo.

SE has a weird fetish with putting BST on axes but not WARs.
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By Atrox78 2024-12-17 12:29:44
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Taint said: »
WAR should have been on Axe, that would have a been a beast combo.

SE has a weird fetish with putting BST on axes but not WARs.

I'd argue bst has more rights to the axe then war but that would have been a better pick then the GS imo.
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By Atrox78 2024-12-17 12:41:11
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Kaffy said: »
I don't have any primes much less 3-4, so that's good info to take into consideration. I figured with as much use as Chango gets I could give Helheim a chance to switch things up occasionally. Probably sit on gall and stones until I can do a stage 4 so will have plenty of time to reevaluate.

If you want a prime specifically for war then i definitely recommend laphria. In my experience it is a much better weapon for warrior as the dmg is better, no weapon swaps needed and also the da on it allows you to mix up your tp set and still keep 100 da.

If you also have a drk and want to get the most bang for you buck (or muffin) then the gs isn't a horrible pick. I down play it because for warrior it's not the greatest thing ever but it does have it's value. On drk it will cap dmg often and compete with or even beat caldbolg in max buffs situations. I would not do the GS though if the intent would be tp use it on a tank job too. Unfortunately it dosent turn pld a d run into a DD even though it's fun to do 50k plus ws on run.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2024-12-18 02:15:41
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Nariont said: »
FWIW in the sim ikengas is also BiS OH for dolideci
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Warrior

Unless for some reason you really need the accuracy for TP gain purposes, this feels like Barbarity +1 was just overlooked:

Ikenga's Axe (R30): DMG:207 Delay:288 STR+15 DEX+15 Acc+55 Atk+75 Skill+255 Crit rate+10% WSD+5% TP Bonus +500
Barbarity +1: DMG:189 Delay:280 STR+28 Atk+50 Skill+242 WSD+8%

STR+13 WSD+3% advantage, for a non-crit 3-hit WS with a 50% STR mod and Accuracy varies with TP, should easily beat out Ikenga's edge in Atk/skill (and whatever additional white damage you get from the crit rate). The TP Bonus is great for some WS, but Decimation isn't one of them!
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By Nariont 2024-12-18 02:23:12
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Possibly, i dont actually use the sims myself, just threw it in there to further bury sangarius for buukki. I dont know how much the extra 18 base dmg, atk, acc, not just from base but from skill too compares to str+13 and 3 additional WSD
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