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By Asura.Saevel 2019-01-12 10:15:50
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Path's A and C look very interesting, 25 Store TP is a crazy amount plus the extra melee damage. Path C on the other hand is +20% Crit Rate which would bring WAR's Crit Floor to 40% making the TP +50 very interesting. If it's just a flat +50 TP then it's not good, but if it's +50 Base TP like Ikishoten then it's going to be pretty damn powerful.
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-01-12 10:20:19
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For Chango Upheaval, depends on how lucky Oseem has been to you.
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	sets.UpheavalA =
{ammo="Knobkierrie",
head="Agoge mask +3",
neck="War. Beads +2",
ear1="Brutal earring",
ear2="Moonshade earring",
body="Pummeler's lorica +3",
hands=VIT_Hands,
ring1="Niqmaddu ring",
ring2="Regal ring",
back=WSD_Back,
waist="Ioskeha belt +1",
legs=WSD_Legs,
feet="Sulevia's leggings +2"}


My augments are
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VIT_Hands={name="Odyssean Gauntlets", augments={'Attack+27','Weapon skill damage +4%','VIT+14','Accuracy+12',}}
WSD_Legs={name="Odyssean Cuisses", augments={'Accuracy+20','Weapon skill damage +4%','VIT+10',}}
WSD_Back = {name="Cichol's Mantle", augments={'VIT+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','VIT+10','Weapon skill damage +10%',}}


Odysean legs are the hardest part since Oseem is such a *** on those. This is for Chango at pretty much any TP level. The swaps mentioned where for more accuracy, putting on Sulvia's hands, Pummeler's legs and feet. That lowers the damage a little bit but raise's the accuracy so it's a valid consideration.
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By SimonSes 2019-01-12 10:39:01
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Path's A and C look very interesting, 25 Store TP is a crazy amount plus the extra melee damage. Path C on the other hand is +20% Crit Rate which would bring WAR's Crit Floor to 40% making the TP +50 very interesting. If it's just a flat +50 TP then it's not good, but if it's +50 Base TP like Ikishoten then it's going to be pretty damn powerful.

+20% or +10%? bgwiki says +10%

Also I believe the easiest to check the TP thing would be make NQ and test with that (afaik you can augment su3 too, but it limits you to rank 15 like nq necks?).
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-01-12 10:40:37
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SimonSes said: »
+20% or +10%? bgwiki says +10%

The weapon has +10% on it, the augment brings another +10% and I'm referencing the path C unique bonus of TP +50 on crits.
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By Sylph.Darkside 2019-01-12 11:02:00
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Sylph.Atigev said: »
Sylph.Darkside said: »
Asura.Snapster said: »
I mentioned this when I posted that set. It's literally a hybrid set with multi attack gear (War. Beads +2, Ioskeha Belt +1, Brutal Earring, Niqmaddu Ring) over other options typically used for high FTP WS. Seems like he didn't read the post. There's another set in the same post with more multi attack (Sulevia Hands/Legs) that is also nice because it has reasonable amounts of attack/accuracy and the multi attack is good for Upheaval. You can also sub in relic +3 feet if you need more accuracy. Relic legs are not a good choice because they have 0 attack.
I did read the post. I don't trust spreadsheets. I was hoping someone could tell their findings actually in game. Your post said specifically you were surprised what you found on your spreadsheet...
Darkside this is my set I have been doing really well with (this is base set up to 1800 tp then it changes slightly)

sets.WS.Upheaval = {
ammo="Knobkierrie",
head={ name="Agoge Mask +3", augments={'Enhances "Savagery" effect',}},
body="Pumm. Lorica +3",
hands="Sulev. Gauntlets +2",
legs="Pumm. Cuisses +3",
feet="Pumm. Calligae +3",
neck="War. Beads +2",
waist="Ioskeha Belt +1",
left_ear="Telos Earring",
right_ear={ name="Moonshade Earring", augments={'Accuracy+4','TP Bonus +250',}},
left_ring="Regal Ring",
right_ring="Niqmaddu Ring",
back={ name="Cichol's Mantle", augments={'VIT+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','VIT+10','Weapon skill damage +10%',}},
}
Fairly sure its either just like a set posted already or very very similar. It works well.
Thanks man. Appreciate it
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By Asura.Yojimmbo 2019-01-12 13:08:54
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Would warrior beads +2 replace combatants torque in the TP set? I'm really confused about some of the sets. I use Ragnarok.
Edit: Also which is the correct path for Emicho Gauntlet? I'm still working on pummeler hands so I'm guessing path B for TP set?
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By olson2189 2019-01-12 13:44:18
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Asura.Yojimmbo said: »
I use Ragnarok.

Before you consider any changes to the neck slot, you should consider changing this.
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By Asura.Yojimmbo 2019-01-12 13:46:58
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olson2189 said: »
Asura.Yojimmbo said: »
I use Ragnarok.

Before you consider any changes to the neck slot, you should consider changing this.
What do you use on your Warrior?
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By Nariont 2019-01-12 14:56:21
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Raetic Algol/+1
Montate/+1
Zulf with good augs

Rags nice if you need that amount of acc, but theres not usually a situation you do, and the delay on rag really hurts it as you have to build around its low delay
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By Asura.Yojimmbo 2019-01-12 15:18:01
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Nariont said: »
Raetic Algol/+1
Montate/+1
Zulf with good augs

Rags nice if you need that amount of acc, but theres not usually a situation you do, and the delay on rag really hurts it as you have to build around its low delay
So combatants torque over war beads for tp set? Trying to make the dream to set on this guide but I keep wondering where the war beads fall in it all. I need the accuracy on some wave3 monsters in Dyna D, not so much outside of it.
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By Staleyx 2019-01-12 15:20:22
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How exactly is the path A double dmg working on Labraunda?
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By Ragnarok.Haxetc 2019-01-12 15:37:03
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I'm more curious if anyone has tested the Path C TP +50 when landing crits
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By Sylph.Atigev 2019-01-12 15:55:02
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Asura.Yojimmbo said: »
Nariont said: »
Raetic Algol/+1
Montate/+1
Zulf with good augs

Rags nice if you need that amount of acc, but theres not usually a situation you do, and the delay on rag really hurts it as you have to build around its low delay
So combatants torque over war beads for tp set? Trying to make the dream to set on this guide but I keep wondering where the war beads fall in it all. I need the accuracy on some wave3 monsters in Dyna D, not so much outside of it.

between the straight acc and the dex on War Beads, it is superior to any other acc option that I know of, you can confirm this easily when you get this by doing /checkparam in tp with each necklace on.
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By Asura.Yojimmbo 2019-01-12 16:17:31
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Sylph.Atigev said: »
Asura.Yojimmbo said: »
Nariont said: »
Raetic Algol/+1
Montate/+1
Zulf with good augs

Rags nice if you need that amount of acc, but theres not usually a situation you do, and the delay on rag really hurts it as you have to build around its low delay
So combatants torque over war beads for tp set? Trying to make the dream to set on this guide but I keep wondering where the war beads fall in it all. I need the accuracy on some wave3 monsters in Dyna D, not so much outside of it.

between the straight acc and the dex on War Beads, it is superior to any other acc option that I know of, you can confirm this easily when you get this by doing /checkparam in tp with each necklace on.
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By SimonSes 2019-01-12 16:22:48
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Asura.Saevel said: »
SimonSes said: »
+20% or +10%? bgwiki says +10%

The weapon has +10% on it, the augment brings another +10% and I'm referencing the path C unique bonus of TP +50 on crits.

Yeha sorry, missed that 10% on weapon, was looking only at augments. My bad.

I was referencing to path C too. I guess making su5 and going path C to check that TP bonus is not cheap, but checking apth C on NQ weapon should be way cheaper and mechanic should be the same, so maybe someone will be able to do that.
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By Staleyx 2019-01-12 18:54:08
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I can make a nq and test. Just let me know exactly how I should go about it. Can make 2 to test path a and c?
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-01-12 19:37:03
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Hit things and record your TP gain, when it crits record the TP gain, provide us the info and we can compare. Also note how much Store TP you have.
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By Asura.Arico 2019-01-12 21:11:26
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2 questions - What would win for upheaval:

DM augged valerous mitts with 10WSD 3 DEX and 20 accuracy

Or 15 VIT 12 ACC 4% WSD odyssean

Also why do I see so many r15 Conqs running around? My suspicion is anyone who Rank 15s a conq is a conq war main and only wears that and all the people with R15 chango don't wear it, but it seems almost more common than rank 15 chango, unless I'm missing something.
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By Staleyx 2019-01-12 23:42:22
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War/Sam
No food, no buffs
Total STP=34
Weapon was warrior's chopper with first ranking of augment "TP gained when landing Critical hits +1"

Normal hit = 208tp
Critical hit = 210tp

If I need to test another way let me know.
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By DirectX 2019-01-13 02:38:18
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Looks like the 50 TP bonus is enhanced by Store TP then? If +1 gave +2 actual.
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By Asura.Snapster 2019-01-13 02:42:53
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It looks like it's she'd to your base TP. So store TP will affect it.
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By Staleyx 2019-01-13 03:58:25
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Should I test again with 0 gear?
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By SimonSes 2019-01-13 05:30:03
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Staleyx said: »
Should I test again with 0 gear?

TP Gained when landing crit. hits +1?

I would rise this to at least +10-20 (like rank 10?) (should take no more than like half of dynamis probably), because with such small numbers like +1 it might simply be some rounding up/down interfering with the test result.
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By Staleyx 2019-01-13 06:25:19
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Np will try that once home for work. I have gil to blow
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By SimonSes 2019-01-13 07:20:24
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Also to make test easier it would be best to:

hit normal and crit with 0 store tp
hit normal and crit with a lot of store tp (XI sam roll + sTP gear should easily do the trick)

The result of such test will clearly show how its calculated.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2019-01-13 09:38:53
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why? we can see from the result what it is.
base 140, 34 from gear and 15 from /sam = 208.6, floored to 208
for 1 TP to give two, he'd need 100 store tp from gear and sub, which he doesn't. so it's has to be floor((140 + proc) * store tp)) = 210
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-01-13 09:53:41
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I would like to see it at rank 2 a least, mistakes have been made in the past over rounding errors and that eliminates it completely. It looks to be adding to base, which makes the +2 version very interesting.
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By SimonSes 2019-01-13 09:58:18
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
why? we can see from the result what it is.
base 140, 34 from gear and 15 from /sam = 208.6, floored to 208
for 1 TP to give two, he'd need 100 store tp from gear and sub, which he doesn't. so it's has to be floor((140 + proc) * store tp)) = 210

If you are sure about this flooring then yeah, but then again are you sure +1 listed on weapon is not actually really a +1.4 or some stupid ***like that? Even bumping it few ranks, which would be very easy, will give much more reliable result. It wont hurt at least to double check.

EDIT: Also assuming it's 50TP to base damage on su5, thats 14% more TP with 40% critical rate and also +20% critical hit rate which would help with white damage, but not really for WS, since we still wouldn't use Ukko I think?

I kinda doubt that would beat what Chango offers.
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By Asura.Snapster 2019-01-13 17:37:42
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I don't think it needs to be retested. It seems like a solid conclusion to me. On the other hand, what weapons should WAR seek to obtain these days? Montante +1 doesn't seem good anymore as you should either use Chango or Raetic Algol +1 for some zergs. Ragnarok seems useless to me even though I made one. Maybe it would be okay for Kin or something where you don't want skillchains? Raetic Blade +1 seems like a contender for best sword (I have Reikiko but the delay is much higher.)
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-01-13 20:47:18
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Asura.Snapster said: »
Montante +1 doesn't seem good anymore as you should either use Chango or Raetic Algol +1 for some zergs.

Montante +1 > Raetic outside of Escha due to WAR simply not having much MP to fuel Raetic. HP/MP vorseals inside Escha change everything and make Raetic this monster.

R15 Chango is the best but it's not like there is a Goblin handing them out to every player who asks nor an easy fight that drops them. Montante +1 can be gotten from a piss easy NM and serves as a great raw DPS weapon as someone builds their Chango.

JSE Great Axe is ... interesting. Would be better if Ukko's didn't such so much in the current meta. SE really needs to update it and VS to be like CDC.
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