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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-06-15 14:39:15
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Lol well counting morrigans with latent is kinda cheap... but sure yeah though not sure how well id does for pure dmg if you replace some of those peices ie hands and head and the feet with more dmging peices... would really need to do the math not like anyone makes zenith mitts+1 any more /sigh
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 14:49:05
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Here:

Morrigan's: Morrigans

HQ Set: HQ
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-06-15 14:59:20
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Daemun said:
Here:

Morrigan's: Morrigans

HQ Set: HQ

Yigit feet do more dmg... Also wtf claymore grip? And the legs could be HQ. And snow ring would be more dmg... morganas body is lol. Also I was thinking of keep legs and body...
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 15:01:27
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Double

Morrigan's= INT 121, MAB +69, MAcc +15

HQ= INT 102, MAB +75, MAcc +1

the 15 Mil you would put into Morrigan's would be much better than HQing hands, getting Shadow Trews to drop, and using that God awful body piece. Using Genie body instead is a lot closer w/ -1MAB +6skill and losing the -8MAcc, but 19 INT is a lot of recovery, especially putting you under 110. The +5 MAB just doesn't make that up.

I used Mahatma Slops/ Yigit feet and Genie Weskit for the calculations I was doing but whoever was talking about Cobra Unit was seemingly only interested in MAB. Forgot the HQ Shadow

Dasva said:
Yigit feet do more dmg... Also wtf claymore grip? And the legs could be HQ. And snow ring would be more dmg... morganas body is lol. Also I was thinking of keep legs and body...


Snow ring replaced w/ Omega because I was using this as a possible HNM/God nuke set and MAcc 3> INT 2, besides all accessory was static so it was of no matter from the gear we were comparing.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 15:04:41
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Dasva said:
Lol well counting morrigans with latent is kinda cheap...


That would be the only time to swap them in vs Yigit, so of course it would need to be calculated as full set bonus.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-06-15 15:11:35
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Lol going for omega vs snow for macc but going morgana over genie is silly in the extreme
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 15:20:24
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/ but it was really more habit of setting ear/ring/neck/ammo to a static "nuke big things" setup more so than thinking it through.

The lolcotehardie was for ROAR MAB+. Even a Weskit/Valk Trews BLM gonna have trouble out DD a Morrigan's BLM throughout the entire event/fight. I see maybe 1/20 nukes hitting for more. read: full
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-06-15 15:23:41
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Dasva said:
Lol going for omega vs snow for macc but going morgana over genie is silly in the extreme

Using Morgana ever is silly in the extreme >.>
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-06-15 15:26:43
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Daemun said:
/ but it was really more habit of setting ear/ring/neck/ammo to a static "nuke big things" setup more so than thinking it through.

The lolcotehardie was for ROAR MAB+. Even a Weskit/Valk Trews BLM gonna have trouble out DD a Morrigan's BLM throughout the entire event/fight. I see maybe 1/20 nukes hitting for more. read: full

I wasnt debate the max nuke dmg reason I was debating the inconsistency. Genie+snow is about same dmg as morgana+ omega... and like a good 15macc/skill more
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By Fairy.Azulmagia 2009-06-15 15:28:08
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Daemun said:
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Morrigan's: Morrigans

HQ Set: HQ


I lol'd at /WHM and Morgana's.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-06-15 15:34:19
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Azulmagia said:
Daemun said:
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Morrigan's: Morrigans

HQ Set: HQ


I lol'd at /WHM and Morgana's.

Me too. I see you missed Claymore Grip and Omega Ring :D Personal preference here but Ixion Cape > Gleeman's Cape, +HP when you're triggering Sorc Ring is ftl.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 15:35:08
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Azulmagia said:
I lol'd at /WHM and Morgana's.


Was the pre-set...fixed
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-06-15 15:35:30
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Daemun said:
Azulmagia said:
I lol'd at /WHM and Morgana's.


Was the pre-set...

Fix it?
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 15:35:57
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Nightfyre said:
Azulmagia said:
Daemun said:
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Morrigan's: Morrigans

HQ Set: HQ


I lol'd at /WHM and Morgana's.

Me too. I see you missed Claymore Grip and Omega Ring :D Personal preference here but Ixion Cape > Gleeman's Cape, +HP when you're triggering Sorc Ring is ftl.


Start in Aslan's which makes a 40HP swing=better than Ixion, and Ixion Cape+ RDM= fail Aslan/Gleemans made more sense for me
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-06-15 15:39:45
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When the hell did we start talking about RDM?
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 15:41:21
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I auto throw Gleeman's because I have it...no one talked about RDM.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-06-15 15:45:19
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Daemun said:
Start in Aslan's which makes a 40HP swing=better than Ixion, and Ixion Cape+ RDM= fail Aslan/Gleemans made more sense for me

Right there, and if you meant /RDM I'm wondering why you're opening with Aslan Cape on BLM. If the 40 HP thing was in reference to triggering Sorc Ring, do you know how the latent is calculated? Especially since the back slot is ignored... That's why I prefer Ixion, the Convert HP to MP (which is also ignored anyway) helps keep me in white HP after triggering latent.
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By Fairy.Darlachan 2009-06-15 15:49:04
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Korpg said:

NIN: Same as PLD. Maybe Uts:San also.


Utsusemi:San will never happen. would make Ninja untouchable. Increasing damage on X:San spells would be nice. And I'd be up for a voke ability. Ninja has no JA whatsoever. It's lame.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-06-15 15:50:39
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Sure it does, Mijin Gakure!

:D

...

>.>;
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-06-15 15:51:31
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Make nin more of what its supposed to be and less of what it has become please.
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By Ifrit.Thunderz 2009-06-15 15:55:07
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Dubont said:
Make nin more of what its supposed to be and less of what it has become please.


no
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-06-15 15:57:22
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Thunderz said:
Dubont said:
Make nin more of what its supposed to be and less of what it has become please.


no


yes
failtanks ftl
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 16:08:29
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Nightfyre said:
Right there, and if you meant /RDM I'm wondering why you're opening with Aslan Cape on BLM. If the 40 HP thing was in reference to triggering Sorc Ring, do you know how the latent is calculated? Especially since the back slot is ignored... That's why I prefer Ixion, the Convert HP to MP (which is also ignored anyway) helps keep me in white HP after triggering latent.


I meant for us who have BOTH RDM and BLM main...Ixion is a big waste of money, when you can get it free split into two capes.

Yes I know how its calculated but +40MP is still 40MP used to buff w/.
Who cares about being white to activate? Pull hate and you're dead in two swings or one TP move regardless. Zenith gear is the easy way to activate, not to mention most of that gear is already in my nuke macros so I didn't have to add any more lines just to quickly set latent.
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By Ifrit.Thunderz 2009-06-15 16:11:21
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Dubont said:
Thunderz said:
Dubont said:
Make nin more of what its supposed to be and less of what it has become please.


no


yes
failtanks ftl


GL seeking then when no PLD tank is up
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-06-15 16:15:16
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Thunderz said:
Dubont said:
Thunderz said:
Dubont said:
Make nin more of what its supposed to be and less of what it has become please.


no


yes
failtanks ftl


GL seeking then when no PLD tank is up


Other jobs tank better than nin in overall performance so yea..but anyway. More DD/puller nins yes please!
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-06-15 16:26:02
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I always tank stuff as MNK/NIN :(
But only by default.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-06-15 16:34:55
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Daemun said:
Nightfyre said:
Right there, and if you meant /RDM I'm wondering why you're opening with Aslan Cape on BLM. If the 40 HP thing was in reference to triggering Sorc Ring, do you know how the latent is calculated? Especially since the back slot is ignored... That's why I prefer Ixion, the Convert HP to MP (which is also ignored anyway) helps keep me in white HP after triggering latent.


I meant for us who have BOTH RDM and BLM main...Ixion is a big waste of money, when you can get it free split into two capes.

Yes I know how its calculated but +40MP is still 40MP used to buff w/.
Who cares about being white to activate? Pull hate and you're dead in two swings or one TP move regardless. Zenith gear is the easy way to activate, not to mention most of that gear is already in my nuke macros so I didn't have to add any more lines just to quickly set latent.

Enjoy your blood aggro when you're not nuking in Zenith gear.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 17:00:18
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I can't think of anywhere I'd be on BLM where I'm not camped, and would blood aggro. Although, that is a valid point.
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By Ifrit.Thunderz 2009-06-15 17:14:45
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Dubont said:
Thunderz said:
Dubont said:
Thunderz said:
Dubont said:
Make nin more of what its supposed to be and less of what it has become please.


no


yes
failtanks ftl


GL seeking then when no PLD tank is up


Other jobs tank better than nin in overall performance so yea..but anyway. More DD/puller nins yes please!


your really funny

there is a reason why FFXI population decided to make NIN the second tank

Other then that SE shouldn't gimp nin or change him from what we play it rendering it useless

instead make a new tank...unlikely at this time or improve NIN to something we can all agree with

but yeah your idea would ruin the job so again

No.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-06-15 17:17:23
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Daemun said:
I can't think of anywhere I'd be on BLM where I'm not camped, and would blood aggro. Although, that is a valid point.

Honestly it's almost a non-issue unless you do a lot of soloing, but I do solo a fair bit so I prefer to be prepared.
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