Steel Cyclone Gear Help

Not entirely. I use Sam/Thf a crapload. With War you tp much more slowly, have limited SC options, and will most likely do much less damage spamming SC with less than 300 tp than you would with RR and KJ, which of course are sucky with thf sub.

You "can" sub thf on war, but your going to have limited utility and you'll be gimped everywhere else other than 300 tp SASC. I can't remember a time in the last 2 years where war/thf was a needed option.

Thanks for the info Frob & Raen.
What is WF? did you mean WMufflers? How do a) WarMuff+1 and b) HecaHands compare to A/P Bracelets for RRush and KJ?

Yeah WF = War Muffs lol, screwed that up

SC = Alk/Pal
KJ on low eva mob = Alk/Pal (better said, Hi acc situations)
KJ on high eva mob = Heca (better said, Low acc situations)
RR = Heca

Relic+1 = town gear and inv-1

I know a few SAMs that don't like anything other than /WAR, although THF is more 'useful' on any mob that needs to be tanked. They are don't like giving up their attack buffs just so they can give some one else hate.

I don't even want to bring up the SA vs Overwhelm arguement.

I forgot unlike SAM, WAR (and anyother 2 hander) need to /SAM to make a 6 hit, so are more sensitive about subbing something else.

since i use it never i dont really care
Raging Rush/Kings Justice onry

but on a side not i just noticed i threw heca hands on it >.>
i use alkys on SC and heca for RR/KJ

Just sayin on the Sam/thf thing, I never had a problem with overwhelm vs SA since it pretty much balances out for me. Being able to TA Gek the tank that is standing in from of the mob for almost the same as being able to SATA a tank in the back is pretty useful imo.

I was a mage first so I am still learning about all this melee stuff, and conflicting info always seems to confuse the ***out of me. My only question is about body. Does Heca body have any place on a war?

If curious I use for SC;
Perdu Voulge
Pole or Mythril+1 (usually Mythril cause i only use SC with WC and 300%)
Bomb core, Genbu hat (no n.head), Snow gorget, Triumph x2 (no brutal yet), Hauberk, N.hand., Haidate, N.feet, Amemet+1, warwolf.
..and I don't like the -dex on alky/pallas, and I have af2 leg but I keep it stored usually. I'll never get most of the best stuff probably, but I try to be as good as I can be. I've just not gotten around to buying a foragers. If I used my war more I would carry pallas and af2, but I almost never use it cause I'm rdm onry.

lolwar, signing out!

N body is a pretty sweet for KJ.

The setup for SC looks pretty good, relic would be better than haidate (but you covered that already)

Alk/Pal would be better than heca for SC, situationaly for KJ and never for RR.

Since we're posting sets:

http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=87909

Obvious improvements would be N Head and Alkys. Overall I'm pretty happy with it.

what do you think about this ? (have the erlking's in main)
http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=112458

I thinking about change my amemet with a knightly mantle to have more vit.

If possible, get a Genbu's Kabuto. +15 VIT on a heavy VIT WS is awesome.

Personally I'd used this, but that was mostly because WAR was my first DD job, and now I have SAM/NIN levelled I haven't touched WAR in over a year.

King's Justice

Steel Cyclone

Raging Rush
(Per RR VS Birds i use Haubergeon and Spinel Ring to hit dex117, cap crit rate on G.Colibri)

Champions Galea is augmented with STR+6/WS ACC+15/Haste+2
Erlkings Kheten is Augmented with DMG:97/ATT+6/DA+2
depending what im fighting i use it over Perdu when i dont need the extra acc in WS


the 10/15 att from the nq/hq is > vit in this case
as u need it to help break thro the mobs DEF/VIT

this is my dilemna : is kabuto better than champion galea ? SC miss sometimes and I thought WS acc+15 would be usefull ...

SC is a one hit ws(cap acc and u still have a 5% chance of missing), just boost mods and pray it hits
thus why idc about the -dex from alkys

and as SAM im the same way for Y/G/K
but i use Galea on SAM mainly for the STR+6 i augmented on it

Just no, save the money and put it towards Amemet mantle +1

Work on getting sky access (you only have 1 fight left to do) and try and get heca feet. Sky is very good to WAR and worth the effort.

what stats should I take for galea ? I'm not sure if I want to make a tp or ws equipment. war is my main and only job.

STR+4 WS Acc+15, AGI+4 WS damage +2%

Is the best combo for a WS head.

DEX+2 Haste+2%, Haste +3% "Snapshot" +2%

Is the best combo for TP

The TP head doesn't offer much that you can't get through other means (Turban), the 2 DEX is a little lol and the snapshot is irrelevant.

So IMO take the WS hat, the combination of STR, ACC and WS damage makes it unique and works for all your WS (steel cyclone, raging rush and kings justice)

Since Steel Cyclone is a 50/50 mod on str/vit you pump that up as much as possible. IMO This WS is pretty much useless except a 300% SATA on a HNM. Anyways Osode is the best body to use for Cyckone. It gives you all the mods you need where heca and adaman fall short. 10 vit/str/dex and the dex counts as some acc. Genbus Kabuto is def the best head piece to use b/c of the huge vit bonus. THen pretty much everything else you can scatter vit and str gear. I use foragers mantle flame/rajas ring the correct sea gorget, warwolf belt, heca hands, and this is optional to use rutters with the 5att 3str and 2vit or just use heca as well. As for the weapon tough to say, Martial is good for the TP bonus but i think perdu voulge+ raging rush or kings justice would def out damage any war using bhuj and steel cyclone.

Is there a topic somewhere wich explains wich ws use in wich case ? since I've steel cyclone I always use it ...

Yeah here's the thread we have for the top 3 GA sets. The good ones are on page 2 I think.
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/index.php?topic_id=4812

IMO Nhead > Genboon's, the large amount of STR helps breaking the target's VIT.

I only use Steel Cyclone with 300% tp, /THF and SATA on tank while doing Gods or in zerg-situations with 2h, which means it's awesome for one big bang on high-level-mobs with a huge amount of VIT. In most other cases, RR or KJ are the much better options.

I just got WAR75 but I know what I'd like for a good steel cyclone build, most of which I already have. Here's my personal build and it's meant, not for the highest damage steel cyclone but the highest damage possible while weaponskilling as often as possible.

A.) First off, the merits are as follows:
5/5 Warcry Recast
5/5 Double Attack Rate
5/5 Warrior's Charge
5/5 Savagery

While Double attack rate and Warrior's charge caps are obvious, you may wonder why I've chosen Warcry Recast and Savagery caps. Well, to obtain the best steel cyclone and produce significant damage increase, you need to perform steel cyclone at 300% TP. With savagery maxed, under the effect of Warcry, the amount of TP needed to produce the damage of a 300% TP steel cyclone is be reduced to 250% TP. Now this explains why you would max out Warcry recast, you can more often pull off a max damage steel cyclone with 50% less TP.

B.) Next we'll look at gear, things are interchangable dependant upon your availability of items and/or your preferences. This is gear that is morderately easy to obtain, I've not added any Salvage Pieces or any Odin Exclusive pieces as these are out of reach for me at the moment anyhow.

Main: Martial Bhuj
Sub: Mythril Grip +1 or Axe Grip (both work quite well)
Ammo: Bomb Core
Head: Hecatomb Cap
Neck: Kubira bead necklace (Fortitude Torque or a Sea gorget work well too)
Ears: Triumph Earring x2 or Triumph Earring and Bushinomimi
Body: Kirin's Osode
Hands: Alkyoneus's Bracelets
Rings: Flame Ring x2 or Flame Ring and Rajas Ring
Back: Forager's Mantle
Belt: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Aurum Cuisses
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings

The main thing that makes this build is the Martial Bhuj. No, it's not the highest damage greataxe but this added to savagery makes it so that, while you are under the effect of Warcry, you can pull off a max damage steel cyclone at 150% TP and when not under the effect of Warcry, at 200% TP. A good thing about that is that if you find it doesn't suit your preferences, you can always sell the Martial Bhuj back.

Well, I hope this helps and I hope I didn't forget anything.

...You realise you'll gain more damage (Both through dot and greater attack values for WS calculations) with bergressor right?

50% more tp < an extra 50 seconds of +25%att/+25acc...

5/5 DA
5/5 Berserk
If you play as an aggressive WAR with decent gear

4/5 DA
3/5 Berserk
3/5 Aggressor
If you want to play as a slightly more conservative WAR (or lack the gear to live without aggressor)

Also, Relic legs are great for SC.

This is the only way to do it.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Assuming you have capped accuracy for the most part, thats a good choice. I personally would go with 3/5 Berserk, 3/5 Aggressor, 4/5 DA. If you're uncapped on accuracy (see: mamools, dynamis xarc/beau) the extra 25 accuracy helps to cap you. But like any job, its all about what works for you.

see food: Marinara Pizza +1

i went 5/5 berserk/da AND 8/8 GAXE

Like I said, it's all about what works for you. Personally I prefer meat to pizza. Carbonara especially because it gives me my 6 hit since I don't have a rajas ring.

I don't think it's been mentioned, but for Taru, Creek mitts and clomps are also great SC pieces to consider.

I don't usually go WAR to events with my LS, prefering SAM/THF if I want dam, but in nyzul groups for example I use to build up 300%TP for SC before the boss, and here is what I use.
My SC set:
Main: Perdu Voulge
Sub: Axe Grip
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Maat's Cap/Heca cap(situational, and dependant on WC/MS)
Neck: Gorget always
Ears: Brutal(if no WC)+Bushinomimi
Body: Kirin's Osode
Hands: Alkyoneus's Bracelets
Rings: Flame Ring and Rajas Ring
Back: Cuchulain's Mantle
Belt: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Hachiryu Haidate
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings