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 Valefor.Prothescar
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-10-23 17:08:59
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
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I think I see Proth's point. With regain changing to extra refresh, I would think that blu got the biggest boost from this, no?
Oh yeah, they'll have 5mp/tick refresh for all of 3 1/2 minutes, blu's gaining so much in NNI from these changes.

Again it's not about what BLU is gaining, but what other jobs are losing.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-10-23 17:09:47
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DRK thoughts:
Rag just got nerfed a little, regain+auto magic haste cap really helped make ridic builds

Apoc just got buffed a little, losing regain doesn't change much and auto curing just got a little better

In general I'd say DRK got a decent buff since it can still hit the haste cap with ease while other jobs won't be able to with just embrava and haste or will be further away.

SAM and DRK seem like the big winners in all this.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-10-23 17:10:22
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Fenrir.Elliott said: »
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Sch can accession something every floor, sub sch has 2 charges on long timers.

That's true, but the run is only 30 minutes. So how many times do you need to Accession these things? With the gear RDM gets to increase enhancing magic duration I'd think they could manage on two charges just fine.

I'd say the loss of Regen V is the biggest complaint between the two.

the point is, RDM is servicable now. It can do the job, whereas last week, there was no point in talking about it.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-23 17:10:48
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I still wouldn't sacrifice 82/tic regen in an event where everyone spreads out.
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By Siren.Ihm 2012-10-23 17:11:44
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Bahamut.Bojack said: »
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what is with all the bad math here?

Care to elaborate, chief?

Shiva.Viciousss said: »
whats the max duration for embrava now, officially?

Siren.Ihm said: »
7 minutes 30 seconds.

Nope, ignore me, I can stupid durp.
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By Bismarck.Zuidar 2012-10-23 17:12:48
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Uh oh! I'm starting to feel my affection to FFXI being betrayed because of the DEVs x.x
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By Sylph.Liltrouble 2012-10-23 17:14:23
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Not sure how it will ultimately pan out, but I'm guessing such events as ADL and Legion will require more proficient stunners to say the least.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-23 17:15:15
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
DRK thoughts:
Rag just got nerfed a little, regain+auto magic haste cap really helped make ridic builds

Apoc just got buffed a little, losing regain doesn't change much and auto curing just got a little better

In general I'd say DRK got a decent buff since it can still hit the haste cap with ease while other jobs won't be able to with just embrava and haste or will be further away.

SAM and DRK seem like the big winners in all this.

DNC got a pretty strong "boost" too. As did MNK.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-10-23 17:17:18
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Bismarck.Zuidar said: »
Uh oh! I'm starting to feel my affection to FFXI being betrayed because of the DEVs x.x

Don't forget that this should have happened long ago, just they did it in a very bad way. Heavy handed nerfs are always a terrible idea, especially ones that not only change the ability's potency but duration and effect at the same time. My hope is that content will be balanced so that excessive use of gimmicks doesn't have to be used but I admit, I don't expect the devs to have the capacity to balance things properly in a decent amount of time.
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By Siren.Ihm 2012-10-23 17:18:05
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
DRK thoughts:
Rag just got nerfed a little, regain+auto magic haste cap really helped make ridic builds

Apoc just got buffed a little, losing regain doesn't change much and auto curing just got a little better

In general I'd say DRK got a decent buff since it can still hit the haste cap with ease while other jobs won't be able to with just embrava and haste or will be further away.

SAM and DRK seem like the big winners in all this.

DNC got a pretty strong "boost" too. As did MNK.

Don't forget DRG 2hr >.>;;;;
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By Ragnarok.Hotkarl 2012-10-23 17:20:03
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See you in a few months 2.0
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By Lye 2012-10-23 17:22:34
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Sch can accession something every floor, sub sch has 2 charges on long timers.

I'm inclined to agree. I would think the benefit to accession Regen V is that it doesn't require you to hang with DD's going separate directions.
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By pchan 2012-10-23 17:43:46
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Popcorn, noone is going to do legion or nyzul anymore.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2012-10-23 17:44:33
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pchan said: »
Popcorn, noone is going to do legion or nyzul anymore.

Time for everyone to spam salvage and get full usu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2012-10-23 17:48:34
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I dont see legion being much harder, tbh. Guess one less pair of wave3 mobs of Mul might be the penalty for my ls.
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By Claire 2012-10-23 17:50:27
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What's the issue? Just take triple the amounts of summoners and practice rotating them faster. Problem solved for PD.
As far as Regain goes... wasn't there something about Corsair...?
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By Phoenix.Suji 2012-10-23 17:52:00
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Idk, someone was mentioning chatter on the JP forums.
The JP forum chatter I heard mentioned was that SE explicitly stated they would not nerf it (and then all of the ukko's/smite folks moaned).
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-10-23 17:53:07
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Claire said: »
What's the issue? Just take triple the amounts of summoners and practice rotating them faster. Problem solved for PD.
As far as Regain goes... wasn't there something about Corsair...?

Something something rolls that give better buffs something something
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By Odin.Sheelay 2012-10-23 17:55:52
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
Claire said: »
What's the issue? Just take triple the amounts of summoners and practice rotating them faster. Problem solved for PD.
As far as Regain goes... wasn't there something about Corsair...?

Something something rolls that give better buffs something something

Also something something POW! Bust!
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-10-23 17:56:30
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Bust aint that big an issue, because of the changes to phantom roll/fold and stuff.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2012-10-23 17:57:29
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triple the amount of smns rofl, most decent linkshells require not a single PD for the majority of things
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By Odin.Sheelay 2012-10-23 17:58:23
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
Bust aint that big an issue, because of the changes to phantom roll/fold and stuff.

I just love putting pressure on a corsair for busting :P
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-10-23 18:04:45
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my opinion:

nyzul: drop a sch, grab a brd, marches when no embrava, attack or regen or w/e w/. Probably a slight loss in win rate, but getting to 80 and getting 1piece/5 runs is completely doable. If anything It seems like it will increase availability of gear to me.

Legion: we'll probably bring a 2nd brd instead of a 4th smn (and/or just have a sch that locks tabula duration more). 45seconds of PD is more than enough to kill any mob that needs it and honestly the only mob that ever kills us w/o PD is rex's astral flow which it hasn't lived long enough to use since our first month of doing legion. It won't have any effect on how winnable legion is for most shells (assuming their smns go skill up, and their stunners don't suck).

Smns that are better skilled/geared will be even more of a hot ticket item. Schs become less mainstream, but they still are useful as stunners and backup/main healers.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-10-23 18:08:26
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I kinda just laugh at any sch who in the past month or so has been gearing sch for nyzle.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-10-23 18:12:28
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Odin.Sawtelle said: »
my opinion:

nyzul: drop a sch, grab a brd, marches when no embrava, attack or regen or w/e w/. Probably a slight loss in win rate, but getting to 80 and getting 1piece/5 runs is completely doable. If anything It seems like it will increase availability of gear to me.
Haste on embrava was nerfed too so don't you still need a march to cap haste?
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-10-23 18:19:46
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edit: misread. Ya, you would need 1 march still. ment like march+w/e as opposed to march+march (assuming a 2 song brd).
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-10-23 18:24:15
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I suppose 3.75% haste isn't a big deal. But is that amount of haste better than an alternative song?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-10-23 18:26:10
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It'll probably be 150/1024 base + 10/1024 per tier (24.4% actual max), but could also be 11/1024 per tier for 25.4% maximum potency. Combined with haste spell, that puts you 38~48/1024 shy of magic haste cap.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-10-23 18:29:18
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
I suppose 3.75% haste isn't a big deal. But is that amount of haste better than an alternative song?


3.75 haste is a very big deal....esp as you get close to cap.
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By spryte 2012-10-23 18:31:40
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refresh instead of regain?


lolwut
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