The New Embrava And PD
The New embrava and PD
It caps effectiveness for most Buff BP durations (like Fleet Wind, Earthen Armor, etc.), but Avatar's Favor hits a new Tier at 512 and it looks like PD will continue improving up to 600 skill.
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Right on then. I honestly wasn't sure. Thought the 500 cap was universal. Thanks.
Axciom said: »
Astraria? That's what they're going with? RIP Neo-Nyzul Isle
Fishing Gimp inc. (Hakuryu 4sure)!
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Ragnarok.Blurrski said: »
Wow, and what the *** ? is 600 smn skill even POSSIBLE ?
Not yet, no, but as new gear's released the feasibility of it will only move in one direction.
PD nerf's fine.
Merits 16
Main: Aug Byakkos +12
Sub: Vox Grip +3
ranged: n/a
ammo: n/a
Head: AF3+2 +9
Neck: AF3 neck +9
Ear: Smn. Ear +3
Ear: Aptus Ear +2 (apparently, its not listed on wikis)
Body: Anhur +12
Hands: AF2+2 +15
Ring: Evoker +10
Ring: Fervor +4
Back: Astute +5
Waist: Cimmerian +5
Legs: Ngen +10
Feet: Rubeus +10
a lot of those pieces are substantial skill gains as is. base+merits is 433, meaning you'll need 167 in gear over 15 slots (no way to equip ranged/ammo at the same time on smn, unless you get a summoners crossbow + summoners bolt). An average of +11 skill per available slot, good luck.
Aeyela said: »
The PD change makes total sense.
As it works now, Alexander is as effective with a Summoning skill of 0 as it is with a Summoning skill of 500. This is very broken. It means summoners that have played summoner for years are having to compete with flavour of the month summoners who burnt theirs to 99 ASAP for PD and FFXIAH achievement points. With the change, those with a high summoning magic skill and those who take pride in their jobs will be highly sought after.
I for one am happy about this. My summoning is 498 with gear, because I actually give a ***about the job. Another two levels and my perfect defense will last 55 seconds. This means I'm much more likely to get invited to groups doing Legion than somebody who burnt theirs to 99 in a day and never touch it again, except to *** Alexander out to alliances.
I know I'm going to get trolled for this post, but ha *** ha. Take some pride in your damn jobs, people, and this 'nerf' wouldn't be an issue whatsoever. Kudos to the FFXI team for actually putting some emphasis on caring for your jobs. Summoner 99 with <100 Summoning skill is exactly the same as Perle BSTs.
As it works now, Alexander is as effective with a Summoning skill of 0 as it is with a Summoning skill of 500. This is very broken. It means summoners that have played summoner for years are having to compete with flavour of the month summoners who burnt theirs to 99 ASAP for PD and FFXIAH achievement points. With the change, those with a high summoning magic skill and those who take pride in their jobs will be highly sought after.
I for one am happy about this. My summoning is 498 with gear, because I actually give a ***about the job. Another two levels and my perfect defense will last 55 seconds. This means I'm much more likely to get invited to groups doing Legion than somebody who burnt theirs to 99 in a day and never touch it again, except to *** Alexander out to alliances.
I know I'm going to get trolled for this post, but ha *** ha. Take some pride in your damn jobs, people, and this 'nerf' wouldn't be an issue whatsoever. Kudos to the FFXI team for actually putting some emphasis on caring for your jobs. Summoner 99 with <100 Summoning skill is exactly the same as Perle BSTs.
Not really considering it's not possible to get a skill anywhere near 600. The max Alexander will be able to do is 41 seconds as the highest possible SMN skill is 535 with every possible piece of gear. Unless they plan on adding a TON of new +SMN skill gear.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Ragnarok.Blurrski said: »
Wow, and what the *** ? is 600 smn skill even POSSIBLE ?
Not yet, no, but as new gear's released the feasibility of it will only move in one direction.
PD nerf's fine.
Merits 16
gear 'n stuff
a lot of those pieces are substantial skill gains as is. base+merits is 433, meaning you'll need 167 in gear over 15 slots (no way to equip ranged/ammo at the same time on smn, unless you get a summoners crossbow + summoners bolt). An average of +11 skill per available slot, good luck.
That puts you at 528?
Ragnarok.Blurrski said: »
Wow, and what the *** ? is 600 smn skill even POSSIBLE ?
535 is the max possible SMN skill at this point.
I bet you can hit the 600 summoning skill after the level cap is increased when the expansion is released.
Remora.Kyron said: »
Bismarck.Kelhor said: »
Remora.Kyron said: »
Refresh wont even stack if a sch has sublimation up
I would assume Embrava itself gives the refresh effect, and that it would stack, the way that Embrava's regen stacks with Regen V.
Regen is different.
If a sch has sublimation up, and a rdm or /rdm cast refresh it won't stack. So I highly doubt SE will let it.
so refresh from atmas dont work?.. hmmm weird... /sacarms
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Bahamut.Bojack said: »
I was worried about the Embrava changes because my group is having trouble getting our first clear as it is...but I mean, damn. Only 5 times floor 80, if I read that properly. Awesome lol.
Without Embrava its going to be harder to hit 80 than it is to hit 100 with Embrava. You're going to need to kill the mob 5 times to get one piece of gear, whereas on F100 you kill it once to get 1 piece of gear AND you have the luxury of getting said gear as drops.
Its not awesome.
Well, I see what you're saying if you have cleared it multiple times. I was speaking more from a group that has come so damn close but just can't get there. We've tried about 25-30 tags now and we haven't cleared. We have gotten so close. High 90s a bunch of times, timed out on the boss because of low time and Terror. I was just hoping we'll be able to hit 5 80s in less run than we've tried so far.
Pretty immense nerf. Embrava is now effectively worthless
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Odin.Registry said: »
That puts you at 528?
417+16+12+3+9+9+3+2+12+15+10+4+5+5+10+10
thats 542, not 528, I dont know how you missed 14 because nothing in there is +14 skill or +13 skill factoring my typo.
Bahamut.Bojack said: »
Well, I see what you're saying if you have cleared it multiple times. I was speaking more from a group that has come so damn close but just can't get there. We've tried about 25-30 tags now and we haven't cleared. We have gotten so close. High 90s a bunch of times, timed out on the boss because of low time and Terror. I was just hoping we'll be able to hit 5 80s in less run than we've tried so far.
Missed a 2 and a 12, I can't see or something.
Dafuq if I know.
Anyway, realistically 540 'cus the earring ain't gonna happen.
57 seconds isn't terrible.
Dafuq if I know.
Anyway, realistically 540 'cus the earring ain't gonna happen.
57 seconds isn't terrible.
fattrav said: »
I bet you can hit the 600 summoning skill after the level cap is increased when the expansion is released.
The level cap won't increase. But more skill gear and merit caps will likely be increased.
Bahamut.Bojack said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Bahamut.Bojack said: »
I was worried about the Embrava changes because my group is having trouble getting our first clear as it is...but I mean, damn. Only 5 times floor 80, if I read that properly. Awesome lol.
Without Embrava its going to be harder to hit 80 than it is to hit 100 with Embrava. You're going to need to kill the mob 5 times to get one piece of gear, whereas on F100 you kill it once to get 1 piece of gear AND you have the luxury of getting said gear as drops.
Its not awesome.
Well, I see what you're saying if you have cleared it multiple times. I was speaking more from a group that has come so damn close but just can't get there. We've tried about 25-30 tags now and we haven't cleared. We have gotten so close. High 90s a bunch of times, timed out on the boss because of low time and Terror. I was just hoping we'll be able to hit 5 80s in less run than we've tried so far.
I think completely removing the Regain effect from Embrava is pretty HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, and replacing it with Refresh is kind of a slap in the face. They could adjust it to say 2-3 per tic or something, especially with the lol90seconds duration. To remove the effect entirely is sad news. Perfect Defense makes sense to me and I think it's a more "balanced" fix than the one waiting for poor Embrava.
I don't do ADL or Legion, and although I'd love to give NNI a go, it's not going to happen because no one puts groups together, including me, and most groups who can complete it sell the clears instead of playing with others legitimately. So, I wont really notice either of these adjustments directly.
I don't do ADL or Legion, and although I'd love to give NNI a go, it's not going to happen because no one puts groups together, including me, and most groups who can complete it sell the clears instead of playing with others legitimately. So, I wont really notice either of these adjustments directly.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Pretty immense nerf. Embrava is now effectively worthless
I think they overdid it tbh, yes it needed to be nerfed, but this is excessive, it wouldn't surprise me to see them cop-out at the last second and make a tweak to the nerf right before it gets implemented.
What'd they do to resolution?
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Regardless of my typo (put 416 instead of 417 base), dafuq is wrong with your math?
417+16+12+3+9+9+3+2+12+15+10+4+5+5+10+10
thats 542, not 528, I dont know how you missed 14 because nothing in there is +14 skill or +13 skill factoring my typo.
417+16+12+3+9+9+3+2+12+15+10+4+5+5+10+10
thats 542, not 528, I dont know how you missed 14 because nothing in there is +14 skill or +13 skill factoring my typo.
548 SMN skill is not possible. The base is 417, Then 16 from mertis. The max is 535 with the all merits, and the following pieces of gear
main: Soulscourge +7
sub: Vox Grip +3
head: Caller's Horn +2 +9
Caller's Pendant +9
Earring: Summoning Earring +3
Body: Anhur's Robe +12
hands: Summoner's Bracers +2 +15
Rings: Evoker's Ring +10 and Fervor Ring +4
Back: Astute Cape +5
Waist: Cimmerian Sash +5
Legs: Ngen seraweels +10
Feet: Rubeus Boots +10
I don't have issue with them tying PD to SMN skill, but they're dicking over people with Max SMN skill by bringing PD's max effect down to 41 seconds. Then they're going to expect SMN's to go hunting down every new piece of +SMN skill to get to the mythical 600. Other jobs don't need to be at the absolute max skill to get the best effect of their 2 hour.
Can actually see this having a major effect on NNI. Without immense luck, I could see even floor 80 being a bit of a problem.
Really hope for Reso balance
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Can actually see this having a major effect on NNI. Without immense luck, I could see even floor 80 being a bit of a problem.
it looks like you just got here but yeah thats been covered.
Asura.Miyara said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Regardless of my typo (put 416 instead of 417 base), dafuq is wrong with your math?
417+16+12+3+9+9+3+2+12+15+10+4+5+5+10+10
thats 542, not 528, I dont know how you missed 14 because nothing in there is +14 skill or +13 skill factoring my typo.
417+16+12+3+9+9+3+2+12+15+10+4+5+5+10+10
thats 542, not 528, I dont know how you missed 14 because nothing in there is +14 skill or +13 skill factoring my typo.
548 SMN skill is not possible. The base is 417, Then 16 from mertis. The max is 535 with the all merits, and the following pieces of gear
main: Soulscourge +7
sub: Vox Grip +3
head: Caller's Horn +2 +9
Caller's Pendant +9
Earring: Summoning Earring +3
Body: Anhur's Robe +12
hands: Summoner's Bracers +2 +15
Rings: Evoker's Ring +10 and Fervor Ring +4
Back: Astute Cape +5
Waist: Cimmerian Sash +5
Legs: Ngen seraweels +10
Feet: Rubeus Boots +10
Weapon: Kirin's Pole auged with Byakko Tatter offers SMN skill, up to +12 (like Enhancing with Genbu tatter)
Ear 2: Aptus Earring can have SMN skill +2
542
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Can actually see this having a major effect on NNI. Without immense luck, I could see even floor 80 being a bit of a problem.
Pretty sure SE stated that they had no plans to do anything to Resolution specifically, and any of the merited WSs in general. I don't recall source though.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Odin.Registry said: »
That puts you at 528?
417+16+12+3+9+9+3+2+12+15+10+4+5+5+10+10
thats 542, not 528, I dont know how you missed 14 because nothing in there is +14 skill or +13 skill factoring my typo.
Bahamut.Bojack said: »
Well, I see what you're saying if you have cleared it multiple times. I was speaking more from a group that has come so damn close but just can't get there. We've tried about 25-30 tags now and we haven't cleared. We have gotten so close. High 90s a bunch of times, timed out on the boss because of low time and Terror. I was just hoping we'll be able to hit 5 80s in less run than we've tried so far.
I can still hope can't I? ;;
Honestly, on further thought, I'm pretty stunned by this. They're cutting too much and compensating too little. I'm all for Embrava being not nearly as good as before, but worthless? And cutting Legion mobs HP by 10% to compensate? Joke.
What's your take on blu's capacity in Nyzul now? Obviously it hurts us badly too but how bad compared to a 2h dd?
This isn't affecting BLU nearly as much as other DDs. We don't rely entirely on the haste and regain for our damage output in nyzul and we can compensate for losing the regen. If anything this would make BLU the premiere DD for nyzul, but you'd have to consider that COR may be worth a slot now almost which compensates for the loss of regain a tad, but I don't see it being worth the slot at all personally.
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Can actually see this having a major effect on NNI. Without immense luck, I could see even floor 80 being a bit of a problem.
This isn't affecting BLU nearly as much as other DDs. We don't rely entirely on the haste and regain for our damage output in nyzul and we can compensate for losing the regen. If anything this would make BLU the premiere DD for nyzul, but you'd have to consider that COR may be worth a slot now almost which compensates for the loss of regain a tad, but I don't see it being worth the slot at all personally.
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