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Wii U Launch Date, Price Announced!
 Ragnarok.Zohnax
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2012-09-15 11:09:23
there's a difference between realizing you can't stop it and stop wasting money and hurting consumers by trying to stop it with stupid DRM measures that don't work, and encouraging it, how do you not see that?
not really, otherwise there wouldn't be devices in progress such as the Ouya.
It hurts the other consumers, who do pay for it.
No, actually I won't agree to disagree, you are part of the problem. You're an idiot. You're basically saying Developers and Game Companies should make games for free because everyone is just going to pirate them? Not likely to happen. Games that are like 10-15 years old that people don't give a flip about anymore? Granted, their time may have passed, but still doesn't make it right. You can't justify pirating no matter how you look at it, it's theft.
By Kimble2013 2012-09-15 11:09:33
So I encourage it by not caring about it?
By Jetackuu 2012-09-15 11:12:19
there's a difference between realizing you can't stop it and stop wasting money and hurting consumers by trying to stop it with stupid DRM measures that don't work, and encouraging it, how do you not see that?
not really, otherwise there wouldn't be devices in progress such as the Ouya.
It hurts the other consumers, who do pay for it.
No, actually I won't agree to disagree, you are part of the problem. You're an idiot. You're basically saying Developers and Game Companies should make games for free because everyone is just going to pirate them? Not likely to happen. Games that are like 10-15 years old that people don't give a flip about anymore? Granted, their time may have passed, but current generation games, but still doesn't make it right. You can't justify pirating no matter how you look at it, it's theft.
That's not what I'm saying at all, working on your reading comprehension before you call people an idiot.
LOL the bold is just too funny, no it isn't.
Considering it's just a collection of 0's and 1's, no it isn't.
But that's another subject, so get off your high horse.
So I encourage it by not caring about it?
You encourage it by defending DRM.
Ragnarok.Zohnax
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2012-09-15 11:13:13
Also, when it comes to specs, every console is technically outdated, especially with newer and faster technologies being released every month or two. Consoles are basically a standard-type of gaming computer centered around forms of entertainment.
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By Siren.Calnus 2012-09-15 11:17:28
I think Notch from Minecraft had the best stance on piracy ever as a developer. He was well aware that EVERY pre-release version update he did was pirated and put on pirate bay. But he didn't want to seek legal action due to the fact that he felt it increased his sales in the long run because people were actually able to try it beforehand then support him if they liked it enough and were able to.
Now he has a free trial Minecraft trial that expires after xyz time but I thought it was neat for him to take an official stance on it like that. Pirated versions are almost always flawed in 1 way or another and personally if I like something enough and find the quality worthy of my money I will indeed buy it anyways.
I don't encourage piracy though; If you don't agree with it or like it, don't do it.
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By Phoenix.Baelorn 2012-09-15 11:18:00
You're an idiot. You're basically saying Developers and Game Companies should make games for free because everyone is just going to pirate them? Not likely to happen.
I'm not sure which part of his post you're replying to so I won't try to break down the whole thing but regarding DRM:
DRM is not inherently bad. Most game devs just have no idea how to implement it in a way that doesn't piss of the people who actually spent money on their games instead of pirating them.
A lot of the newer implementations of DRM also severely limit the life of the game you legally purchased and because of licensing they get away with it. Because, really, you're just renting the game until they decide you aren't allowed to play it anymore.
Quote: Games that are like 10-15 years old that people don't give a flip about anymore? Granted, their time may have passed, but still doesn't make it right.
Eh, I'm always on the fence about this one. If there is no legal way to purchase a copy of the game I have no problem downloading it. Unfortunately they can't just throw the game up as a download and charge me $5-$10 for it because of the terrible mess that is copyright/licensing.
Ragnarok.Zohnax
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2012-09-15 11:19:21
there's a difference between realizing you can't stop it and stop wasting money and hurting consumers by trying to stop it with stupid DRM measures that don't work, and encouraging it, how do you not see that?
not really, otherwise there wouldn't be devices in progress such as the Ouya.
It hurts the other consumers, who do pay for it.
No, actually I won't agree to disagree, you are part of the problem. You're an idiot. You're basically saying Developers and Game Companies should make games for free because everyone is just going to pirate them? Not likely to happen. Games that are like 10-15 years old that people don't give a flip about anymore? Granted, their time may have passed, but current generation games, but still doesn't make it right. You can't justify pirating no matter how you look at it, it's theft.
That's not what I'm saying at all, working on your reading comprehension before you call people an idiot.
LOL the bold is just too funny, no it isn't.
Considering it's just a collection of 0's and 1's, no it isn't.
But that's another subject, so get off your high horse.
So I encourage it by not caring about it?
You encourage it by defending DRM.
You ought to work on your English then, because you ARE saying that people are allowed to pirate games for free if they want. Again, stop trying to justify it, you're wrong. Just because you have a problem with people trying to protect their investments of time and money into producing a product, doesn't make it right.
Idiot.
By Jetackuu 2012-09-15 11:22:01
there's a difference between realizing you can't stop it and stop wasting money and hurting consumers by trying to stop it with stupid DRM measures that don't work, and encouraging it, how do you not see that?
not really, otherwise there wouldn't be devices in progress such as the Ouya.
It hurts the other consumers, who do pay for it.
No, actually I won't agree to disagree, you are part of the problem. You're an idiot. You're basically saying Developers and Game Companies should make games for free because everyone is just going to pirate them? Not likely to happen. Games that are like 10-15 years old that people don't give a flip about anymore? Granted, their time may have passed, but current generation games, but still doesn't make it right. You can't justify pirating no matter how you look at it, it's theft.
That's not what I'm saying at all, working on your reading comprehension before you call people an idiot.
LOL the bold is just too funny, no it isn't.
Considering it's just a collection of 0's and 1's, no it isn't.
But that's another subject, so get off your high horse.
So I encourage it by not caring about it?
You encourage it by defending DRM.
You ought to work on your English then, because you ARE saying that people are allowed to pirate games for free if they want. Again, stop trying to justify it, you're wrong. Just because you have a problem with people trying to protect their investments of time and money into producing a product, doesn't make it right.
Idiot.
No I'm not, and right back at you.
and reporting.
(copying something, and leaving the original intact isn't stealing, unless you are trying to profit from said copy, so no).
Stop trying to demonize something because of your false sense of morals.
By Kimble2013 2012-09-15 11:25:00
Im not defending DRM, lol.
Also... what? It's not stealing?
By Aleste 2012-09-15 11:27:02
Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »Video
Well great =/ I sat and watched that whole video feeling pretty uninterested (ZombiU seems interesting) only for them to mention MH3U at the end....
There go my hopes of it turning up on the Vita then... *throws cash at nintendo*
By Kimble2013 2012-09-15 11:27:53
Anyways, back on topic.
Seems places have stopped talking pre-orders on the deluxe. Gamestop stopped yesterday, Most Best Buys have as well as Target.
K-Mart/Sears and Toys R Us might be the last places to try. Wal-mart has them but they require you to do a stupid bundle with it that includes another game and a Wii Remote for close to 500.
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By Bismarck.Narshee 2012-09-15 11:29:50
I don't see how just because its "0's and 1's" it isn't considered stealing >.> idgi
By Kimble2013 2012-09-15 11:30:00
Scratch that. K-mart is no longer taking pre-orders. Toys R Us is.
By Jetackuu 2012-09-15 11:30:09
Im not defending DRM, lol.
Also... what? It's not stealing? Why must you always bring that up? lol. I don't even bother to pirate or crack a system. You can get games pretty cheap (new ones as well) if you know how to shop around.
besides, it would be bad business to not try and prevent pirating.
oh and for the record, I turned pro-piracy due to DRM, more so for movies though because of hollywood trying to bribe laws such as sopa.
and I'm sorry but I don't consider duplicating something without harming the original stealing, as nothing is lost.
to imply it's stealing is to imply that they would have bought it otherwise instead of just done without, which is a faulty assumption tbh.
By Kimble2013 2012-09-15 11:31:06
You win. I'm a horrible person. Back to Wii U talk please.
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By Bismarck.Narshee 2012-09-15 11:33:18
So wait, Jet don't you want to design electronics or something as a business irl? If someone copied your designs without harming your originals you'd be fine with that? Not trying to start an argument but idk :|
By Jetackuu 2012-09-15 11:35:17
I don't see how just because its "0's and 1's" it isn't considered stealing >.> idgi
technically, if you had access to a machine, or group of machines powerful enough, you could rebuild code based on it's hash value, and there was a court ruling that had to deal with something that can be used to defend it, but I can't find it right now, I'll have to ask a friend of mine.
If one could duplicate food without harming the quality of the original, would you consider it stealing to make a copy of a pizza for personal consumption, regardless of who made it?
Ragnarok.Zohnax
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2012-09-15 11:35:34
oh yeah, forgot to mention the bit about their proprietary discs again in an attempt to prevent pirating, lol...
fools. not really.
especially since it's a fruitless endeavor, you can't stop it.
I bring it up because it hurts the consumer and doesn't help the business, and it's a problem. there's a difference between realizing you can't stop it and stop wasting money and hurting consumers by trying to stop it with stupid DRM measures that don't work, and encouraging it, how do you not see that?
It hurts the other consumers, who do pay for it.
No, actually I won't agree to disagree, you are part of the problem. Looks a lot to me like you're defending piracy or breaking the law.
No I'm not, and right back at you.
and reporting.
(copying something, and leaving the original intact isn't stealing, unless you are trying to profit from said copy, so no).
Stop trying to demonize something because of your false sense of morals. If a digital media has a law saying, "Hey, don't do this." Then, if you do it, hey! You're breaking the law. This includes if you just copy something. It's irrelevant if something was lost, because you gained something for free off of another's hard work. You tell me not to bring my moral judgment into this yet, on a personal grudge you say that you're pro-piracy, (there's that support again!) because of something Hollywood did.
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2012-09-15 11:37:23
Anyways, back on topic.
Seems places have stopped talking pre-orders on the deluxe. Gamestop stopped yesterday, Most Best Buys have as well as Target.
K-Mart/Sears and Toys R Us might be the last places to try. Wal-mart has them but they require you to do a stupid bundle with it that includes another game and a Wii Remote for close to 500. Seriously? >___>
Glad I reserved mine the second the conference was over. Even though I remember hearing somewhere that Nintendo planned to fill every pre-order this time, but... I guess they may have some difficulty again?
By Jetackuu 2012-09-15 11:38:36
So wait, Jet don't you want to design electronics or something as a business irl? If someone copied your designs without harming your originals you'd be fine with that? Not trying to start an argument but idk :|
You missed the part where I said "and didn't try to profit"
if somebody at home decided to mod one of my designs, or make a board and build it just the same, I don't give a ***.
In fact a lot of circuits are used in all sorts of boards, regardless of who first designed it, sometimes it's the only way to build something, and it becomes better for the community at large for everyone to use it. Patent/copyright etc laws "as is" right now are ridiculous.
edit: I have some friends that work on some game projects who can't wait for things like the Ouya, the old model is dying, and needs to fast.
It's going to be a war between the old model (restriction, and business rights) and the new model (freedom and consumer rights), I've picked my side, have you?
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By Phoenix.Baelorn 2012-09-15 11:42:10
If a digital media has a law saying, "Hey, don't do this." Then, if you do it, hey! You're breaking the law. This includes if you just copy something. It's irrelevant if something was lost, because you gained something for free off of another's hard work.
I'm curious about your stance on the future of things like 3D printing and even the current state of it.
By Jetackuu 2012-09-15 11:42:24
oh yeah, forgot to mention the bit about their proprietary discs again in an attempt to prevent pirating, lol...
fools. not really.
especially since it's a fruitless endeavor, you can't stop it.
I bring it up because it hurts the consumer and doesn't help the business, and it's a problem. there's a difference between realizing you can't stop it and stop wasting money and hurting consumers by trying to stop it with stupid DRM measures that don't work, and encouraging it, how do you not see that?
It hurts the other consumers, who do pay for it.
No, actually I won't agree to disagree, you are part of the problem. Looks a lot to me like you're defending piracy or breaking the law.
No I'm not, and right back at you.
and reporting.
(copying something, and leaving the original intact isn't stealing, unless you are trying to profit from said copy, so no).
Stop trying to demonize something because of your false sense of morals. If a digital media has a law saying, "Hey, don't do this." Then, if you do it, hey! You're breaking the law. This includes if you just copy something. It's irrelevant if something was lost, because you gained something for free off of another's hard work. You tell me not to bring my moral judgment into this yet, on a personal grudge you say that you're pro-piracy, (there's that support again!) because of something Hollywood did.
then like I said, you need to work on your reading comprehension.
The laws were bastardized from their original form by the same people who did what they're suing others for to make profit, and are turning around and making sure nobody can do it to them, just because something is currently illegal, doesn't inherently make it "wrong," like I said, stop trying to push your twisted sense of morals onto me.
It is relevant if something was lost, twisted morals.
Edit: I didn't say "don't get personal", I said don't come after me with your twisted morals, difference, reading comprehension etc.
By Jetackuu 2012-09-15 11:43:02
If a digital media has a law saying, "Hey, don't do this." Then, if you do it, hey! You're breaking the law. This includes if you just copy something. It's irrelevant if something was lost, because you gained something for free off of another's hard work.
I'm curious about your stance on the future of things like 3D printing and even the current state of it.
I can't wait until people can just print their own guns, will be great.
By Kimble2013 2012-09-15 11:47:14
Please just make a thread for this and discuss it there. I'd really like for this thread to not get locked.
Yeah, People were thinking the Wii U wouldn't do well but out of the gate, its getting strong pre-order numbers for the Deluxe.
Places still have the Basic for pre-order and not sure how well they will do. I have a feeling though when the 18th hits and all the Deluxes are taken by pre-orders, the basic will sell out fast. Its the sunday before black friday and you know parents won't care if its deluxe or basic, they will just want to get their kids the newest console for x-mas.
By Jetackuu 2012-09-15 11:53:39
I'll keep an eye on it, I just hope they don't strip any features for a few models until it's hacked.
May get one before then as insurance, but depends on my $ at the moment, I still need to get a new HDD for my Wii, as I could start to hear the bb's go out.
the fact that the Wii-U is using built in flash (hopefully fast flash) it will have performance increases over the 360 or ps3, (for like updates and such, well maybe not for writing) but the increased bandwidth from the optical media is a great bonus.
I wonder how long it will take before we're off optical entirely, probably the gen after the next.
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By Phoenix.Baelorn 2012-09-15 11:58:34
I wonder how long it will take before we're off optical entirely, probably the gen after the next.
I wasn't aware Apple was entering the console market :p
By Kimble2013 2012-09-15 11:59:50
There has been rumors that the 720 will not have an optical drive and everything will just be downloaded.
Not sure if i'd get behind that. I still like having a physical gaming collection that displays.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2012-09-15 12:01:00
There has been rumors that the 720 will not have an optical drive and everything will just be downloaded.
Not sure if i'd get behind that. I still like having a physical gaming collection that displays. Not to mention HDD space and the fact that you're gonna be paying the same amount anyways, the savings will go to them, not to you when they don't have to make discs
By Jetackuu 2012-09-15 12:01:58
I mean with the advancement of flash memory, optical is a dying format.
Phoenix.Baelorn
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By Phoenix.Baelorn 2012-09-15 12:02:54
There has been rumors that the 720 will not have an optical drive and everything will just be downloaded.
Not sure if i'd get behind that. I still like having a physical gaming collection that displays.
There's just too many issues with digital-only distribution that would cost devs/publishers too much money.
So Nintendo has finally released its launch information for Wii U.
Gamespot Link - (linking gamespot because I'm tired of IGN's ads and embedded videos)
Highlights ~ 2 versions, Basic ($299) and Premium ($350) to be released Nov. 18 in NA, Nov 30th in Europe, Dec 8th in Japan.
Basic version - White console, 8 GB, HDMI cable, Gamepad, Sensor Bar
Premium - Black console, 32 GB, HDMI, Sensor Bar, Gamepad, Charger + Stand, Nintendo Network Premium Subscription (online service), Nintendoland (game)
Launch Titles - New Mario, ZombiU, Rayman, Mass Effect 3, FIFA 13, CoD: BO2, NintendoLand. Nintendo also confirmed around 50 games will be releasing for the console between launch date and March, including Bayonetta 2, which will be a Wii U exclusive. Games will retail at $60. Gamepads are not sold separately.
Most surprising thing to me is the basic version only has a 8 GB HD.
Discuss~
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