PvP Optional Or Non-Existant MMORPG's?

I am trying to see if people can list off some P2P MMORPG that either do not have any form of PvP, or it exists but has absolutely no impact on the PvE side.

I will also take names of 'successful' F2P games


I will start with 2 games

FFXI
FFXIV

The Old Republic maybe, there were PvE and RP servers where they only PvP was where you sign up for it or specific areas. The gear you could get from it could be used for PvE as well but had lower stats then peices on the same level as it. Unless that has changed since I stopped playing. Not sure if that counts or not.

PvE servers on Rift.
Also Guild Wars 2.
First GW was good and this new one opens up the map a lot and takes it away from being an online RPG to an MMORPG. Incredibly fun so far also it is F2p which is a win in my book. That being said don't discredit it because it's F2P, it's better at launch then most P2P games I've played.

P2P
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Successful F2P's (By successful I assume you mean they are still around)
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Google is your friend.

silkroad online is really big, they have like 45 servers? and make huge profits with that "item mall". the pvp system is good too but the game is filled with gold sellers botters all over the place, the leveling system is poorly executed.

Tibia gets pretty brutal on the normal servers, but they have non-PVP servers that makes players have to sign their guild for a pvp "war", in which one guild challenges another and nothing can happen unless both parts agree to it or something... The game basicaly runs normaly with the difference that every member from those two particular guilds can attack and kill each other any time.

Ok lets go ahead and Refine this. My standard as far as 'optional' PvP is FFXI.

There is absolutely no reward for doing it outside of the rare SE held RL event and bragging rights.

This is what I mean by optional.

Now the ones yall listed.. I will address the ones I have had the 'pleasure' of playing.

SW:TOR. Gear carries over into PvE. Its made a big deal to do your daily missions. does not belong on the list.

Guild Wars one and 2... Technically these DO count. Except for the fact that the majority of players will say the the PvP is worlds better than the PvE side of the house. While they may or may not mix.. PvP is the true focus of those games...

PWI most definitely DOES NOT belong on my list. That game has a huge gap between weak and strong. The strongest buy stuff from the Cash Shop without spending a single dime..why? Territory Wars. This is a PvP in the game where you fight to control as many territories as you can. You get money weekly depending on how many you own. It escalates from there. Get money, trade for cash shop currency.. get stronger.. your stronger own more territories, get more money, trade for cash shop currency.. etc etc

The Secret World... This is the game i am currently playing.. and unfortunately it does not belong on my list. You can get end game gear from PvP or from outside of PvP so you can use it in PvP.

AFAIK WoW does have PvP, it does offer stuff that can be carried over to PvE. (highest I ever made it was lvl 40.. so could be wrong)

Aion.. Again i havent played it in YEARS but.. I remember one of the selling points of the game was using the Z axis for PvP.
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So again.. google is not my friend. My standard for optional is... Ballista/Brenner from FFXI.

Some of you guys mention PvP and Non PvP servers.. these CAN count I suppose. So long as open world pvp is the only form of PvP in the game.

If the game has arenas or anything like that and awards gear.. it is off the list.

Could look into Pristontale/Pristontale 2. Both F2P.

In Pristontale 1 PVP is available, but gives no rewards (outside of a buff that gives a minor increase in HP/MP - only assuming your clan/guild/ls holds the crown for winning the PVP fight on a Sunday).

Pristontale 2, I can't say for sure, I never really looked into it much, but I assume it's likely to be similar to #1.

Haven't seen the name Flyff in ages.

Only one I can think of then is Rift...
Yeah you have PvP but the endgame PvP gear has PvP specific stats and thus doesn't transfer to the PvE side...like at all.

Also I don't know who says PvP is worlds better than PvE in GW or GW2.
GW had an amazing story and the PvP in GW2 is fun, but the PvE is again better IMO.

Honestly it's a very very very limited market you're aiming for.
Most games will have EG PvP gear and a PvE equivalent. Like I said Rift is the only one I know that makes the PvP not an exact equal.

Ok actually I can see Rift then. that does work.

I also accept GW1/2

Both games do have a strong pvp following.. but its disconnected so thats cool


At this point my only pvp related issue would be... the completionist in me wanting those PvP related achievements.. and hating every agonizing second of it..
(but this is on me, and no fault of the game itself)

Only achievement worth doing would be map completion in PvP zones or MAYBE daily/monthly kill x players achievement.
But that one would be easy if you were OCD about it.
But honestly it's not remotely needed.
You can find enough skill points on the map to easily make due without needing to go get the ones from the PvP zone.

I don't think you understand what completionist means....

If its there and it exists... I must get the achievement.. Skill points/ exp/ gear.. none of that ***matters lol!!!!

I fulfill this aspect in FFXI through Atmas! Go to my page and click my atmas tab if you dont believe me...

Lol, well gw has daily and monthly achievements!
You'll never run out of things to do!
Even and achievement point system to keep track!

I hate you.. i am not listening!! blah blah blah!

Only reason I am not creating a character in FFXIV is because I need to focus on one game.. and FFXI has taken 10 years of my life from me.... so it shall take 10 more...

With GW2 you'll only pay once for those 10 years!

If you play on a PvE server on WoW, PvP is 100% optional. The only gear you get via PvP is PvP oriented gear, so you don't miss out by not doing it.

Just wanted to clear that up for you :P

Slightly untrue.. How old is GW1? How many expansions did it have? Gw3 will come out eventually lol!

And Dameshi, I could probably have fun with WoW.. however..
For completely biased, unjustified and illogical reasons I have swornd never to play THAT game....(well i have broken that vow once or twice.. never made it past lvl 40)
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I have a short list of Zackan Approved games right now.

FFXI
FFXIV
RIFT
TSW

Why only those 4 games?

1: Biased towards P2P
2: Alts no thanks. All 4 of those games allow you to do everything without ever creating an alt.

3: Well this one has alot of.. iffy grey area i am still attempting to define to myself. This is my PvP.. rather lack of.. requirement.
FFXI is top.. actually 14 might be top.. does 14 have any pvp at all?

Rift is 3rd cuz like yall said... pvp specific stats.

TSW... i don't like pvp in that game.. make it pvp specific stats and we shall be golden.