Mavi Bazubands, Mavi Basmak, TP Gear And (BL)U
Mavi Bazubands, Mavi Basmak, TP Gear and (BL)U
How can we tackle TP issues when we can't even master idle sets? Great advice in this thread, but please, please also take a couple of hours and at least get Serpentes for your idle set, you white-footed stud you. There are starving kids in Africa who aren't even given the opportunity for standing refresh.
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Bahamut.Enkidou said: »
How can we tackle TP issues when we can't even master idle sets? Great advice in this thread, but please, please also take a couple of hours and at least get Serpentes for your idle set, you white-footed stud you. There are starving kids in Africa who aren't even given the opportunity for standing refresh.
Why are you wasting our time with a post about idle sets?
It's a TP set thread.
No one has posted an idle set to my knowledge.
And your own gear isn't public.
GTFO.
Bahamut.Cantontai said: »
Bahamut.Enkidou said: »
How can we tackle TP issues when we can't even master idle sets? Great advice in this thread, but please, please also take a couple of hours and at least get Serpentes for your idle set, you white-footed stud you. There are starving kids in Africa who aren't even given the opportunity for standing refresh.
Why are you wasting our time with a post about idle sets?
It's a TP set thread.
No one has posted an idle set to my knowledge.
And your own gear isn't public.
GTFO.
You have strange ways of agreeing with me.
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Bahamut.Enkidou said: »
Bahamut.Cantontai said: »
Bahamut.Enkidou said: »
How can we tackle TP issues when we can't even master idle sets? Great advice in this thread, but please, please also take a couple of hours and at least get Serpentes for your idle set, you white-footed stud you. There are starving kids in Africa who aren't even given the opportunity for standing refresh.
Why are you wasting our time with a post about idle sets?
It's a TP set thread.
No one has posted an idle set to my knowledge.
And your own gear isn't public.
GTFO.
You have strange ways of agreeing with me.
You have the regular ways of making no sense.
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Hades.Tripster said: »
I use AF3+2 head instead of Ocelomeh Headpiece +1 in my TP set.
(I know Mavi Thathlum isnt the best for TP but most other options are kinda underwhelming too, so I don't lose my sleep over it.)
I honestly feel like (judging from the description of the items), AF3+2 would be better for TPing instead of Ocelomeh+1.
I'm honestly curious to see if anyone that's good in math and run tests etc could solve this question.
(I know Mavi Thathlum isnt the best for TP but most other options are kinda underwhelming too, so I don't lose my sleep over it.)
I honestly feel like (judging from the description of the items), AF3+2 would be better for TPing instead of Ocelomeh+1.
I'm honestly curious to see if anyone that's good in math and run tests etc could solve this question.
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I'm not great with this stuff (=FFXI calculations). I recently tried to make a damage Calculator for BLU magic and failed but this is what I think the comparison might look like:
IMO Mavi = more consistency, Oce = more spike damage, Superior defensive boosts (FTW)
| Mavi Kavuk +2 | Oce. Headpice +1 |
| •Attack +7 | •Attack 0 |
| •Acc +12 & + (sword skill?) (Caps at 95% vs Targets Evasion) | •Acc 9.75 (from Dex)(Caps at 95% vs Targets Evasion) |
| •+0 to dDEX (Caps at Players Dex - Targets AGI = 50) +Crit hit rate based on table | •+13 to dDEX (Caps at Players Dex - Targets AGI = 50)+Crit hit rate based on table |
| •+ 0 AGI same as dDEX above but lower Crits recived, Lowers Mobs TP gain | •+ 13 AGI same as dDEX above but lower Crits recived, Lowers Mobs TP gain |
| •Def 34, Haste 6%, | •Def 32, Haste 7%, Regen 2HP/Tick |
| •Evasion 0 | •Evasion 6.5 (From AGI prolly rounded to 6) |
| •Look like a mushroom | •Look Like a Turkey |
IMO Mavi = more consistency, Oce = more spike damage, Superior defensive boosts (FTW)
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Mavi Kavuk +2 is what I use, and unless there is something I'm completely missing, I would have never even considered using Oce. Headpiece +1 instead.
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Bahamut.Cantontai said: »
Bahamut.Enkidou said: »
How can we tackle TP issues when we can't even master idle sets? Great advice in this thread, but please, please also take a couple of hours and at least get Serpentes for your idle set, you white-footed stud you. There are starving kids in Africa who aren't even given the opportunity for standing refresh.
Why are you wasting our time with a post about idle sets?
It's a TP set thread.
No one has posted an idle set to my knowledge.
And your own gear isn't public.
GTFO.
Someone needs to simma donna.
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what about rouncey wand offhand?
Ronoclem said: »
IMO Mavi = more consistency, Oce = more spike damage, Superior defensive boosts (FTW)
Fenrir.Elliott said: »
Mavi Kavuk +2 is what I use, and unless there is something I'm completely missing, I would have never even considered using Oce. Headpiece +1 instead.
Not targeting either of you with this comment/question/thought/whatever you wanna call it, specifically.
Isn't the appeal of Oce+1 Head also teaming it up with ocelomeh harness +1 or Toci's harness? On top of the idea of it boosting dDex for crits of course? Assuming no Thaumas coat
This was the impression I was given from all the things I've read thus far so it could be out dated or wrong by this point.
Bahamut.Cantontai said: »
Bahamut.Enkidou said: »
How can we tackle TP issues when we can't even master idle sets? Great advice in this thread, but please, please also take a couple of hours and at least get Serpentes for your idle set, you white-footed stud you. There are starving kids in Africa who aren't even given the opportunity for standing refresh.
Why are you wasting our time with a post about idle sets?
It's a TP set thread.
No one has posted an idle set to my knowledge.
And your own gear isn't public.
GTFO.
What does it matter that his gear set isnt public?
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Not targeting either of you with this comment/question/thought/whatever you wanna call it, specifically.
My bad, I was unclear. I am pro Oce. Headpiece +1. I meant to say more Crit rate is better than a few points on normal hits.
I didn't get into body's because than it's hands, feet etc... and I would have to write a mind numbing essay. Personally I prefer to stack DEX where I can. dDEX at 50 is 15% Crit rate which rocks with merits and Grudge collar thats another 10%. Next I like as much DA that can fit with that while keeping haste as high as possible. I don't mind losing 1-2% haste. Quadruple Attack is a novelty and I'll only take Triple attack seriously when I'm sub WAR. Double Attack Criting in Aftermath FTW.
If dDEX isn't happening on a higher LVL mobs I'm still happier with the Defensive boost Regen/eva/less TP gain etc while TP-ing and I'll rely on spells and WS's to do the real Damage.
What happened to Tomato Sauce discussions? :(
I TP in Mavi+2 head and fort torque, I don't have thaumus or athos boots -- eat me! Not about to TP in Rancor Collar while solo/2boxing Apademak, Azdaja, the Iron Plate dropping Ironclads, or something other than fodder abyssea mobs. Just what I need more damage taken. As if that *** wasn't hard enough to 2 box. Can't say I would be TPing in Rancor for Nyzul either. Just what I need more damage taken and more MP wasted curing myself since I don't like having a SCH follow me around on BLU (don't need it, they should stay with other DD when clearing floors).
I also hate fire tom sword off hand for long drawn out melee fights. Yes I said it folks. I use evasion, MDB, or DA sword offhand for harder stuff when I want to conserve MP to survive longest. Grab your pitchforks and torches. There, that should ignite the FFXIAH troll lurkers.
Gear sets here don't prove a damn thing either sadly other than calculate stats for you, or show people what you use to ask for help.
I TP in Mavi+2 head and fort torque, I don't have thaumus or athos boots -- eat me! Not about to TP in Rancor Collar while solo/2boxing Apademak, Azdaja, the Iron Plate dropping Ironclads, or something other than fodder abyssea mobs. Just what I need more damage taken. As if that *** wasn't hard enough to 2 box. Can't say I would be TPing in Rancor for Nyzul either. Just what I need more damage taken and more MP wasted curing myself since I don't like having a SCH follow me around on BLU (don't need it, they should stay with other DD when clearing floors).
I also hate fire tom sword off hand for long drawn out melee fights. Yes I said it folks. I use evasion, MDB, or DA sword offhand for harder stuff when I want to conserve MP to survive longest. Grab your pitchforks and torches. There, that should ignite the FFXIAH troll lurkers.
Gear sets here don't prove a damn thing either sadly other than calculate stats for you, or show people what you use to ask for help.
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Fenrir.Elliott said: »
Mavi Kavuk +2 is what I use, and unless there is something I'm completely missing, I would have never even considered using Oce. Headpiece +1 instead.
Bismarck.Zagen said: »
Isn't the appeal of Oce+1 Head also teaming it up with ocelomeh harness +1 or Toci's harness? On top of the idea of it boosting dDex for crits of course? Assuming no Thaumas coat
Bahamut.Bekisa said: »
I also hate fire tom sword off hand for long drawn out melee fights. Yes I said it folks. I use evasion, MDB, or DA sword offhand for harder stuff when I want to conserve MP to survive longest. Grab your pitchforks and torches. There, that should ignite the FFXIAH troll lurkers.
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This is my current set up. It is mostly HQ.
I was looking around for some nostalgia images this afternoon and found some pictures of mr. blu
Both are viable options, I wouldn't criticize anyone for using one or the other. That said, in situations where I use my BLU (dynamis, nyzul, abyssea, etc), most mobs will be EP/DC/EM and thus the extra acc provided by Mavi is useless, while the dex and lol agi provides a benefit. If you happen to be a lucky *** who has Toci's Harness then there is no question Ocelomeh +1 > Mavi. Ocelomeh +1 also makes for an incredible ws piece for Almace users like myself, along with a decent idle set piece if you don't have refresh hairpin.
Im happy having bought ocelomeh+1, but I can see why people who don't have Almace or Toci's would bother with the cost.
Im happy having bought ocelomeh+1, but I can see why people who don't have Almace or Toci's would bother with the cost.
Thank you for the great information.
It's a shame the heavy handed tone and condescending nature of the OP had to brave it's way in amongst the common ilk, but obviously you needed a forum to vent, so that I understand.
But just remember, subjectivity is the enemy of objectivity, so it's enjoyable to some to rant/rave/and make fun of someone using zero logic to accomplish a task.... but not all of -those- people are the same. Some actually are different in their intentions and understandings.
:] If you want to respected, make sure your intentions are clear; and good hearted.
It's a shame the heavy handed tone and condescending nature of the OP had to brave it's way in amongst the common ilk, but obviously you needed a forum to vent, so that I understand.
But just remember, subjectivity is the enemy of objectivity, so it's enjoyable to some to rant/rave/and make fun of someone using zero logic to accomplish a task.... but not all of -those- people are the same. Some actually are different in their intentions and understandings.
:] If you want to respected, make sure your intentions are clear; and good hearted.
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"It never ceases to surprise me at the infinite capacity of the human mind to resist the introduction of useful knowledge.”
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news just in: /displayhead! Please try it people who complain about the look of the Ocelo+1 head. Very simple solution to upgrade your gearset if thats really your only complaint. As night stated, Mavi +2 is better rarely, but in most situations you will get a lot more out of ocelo +1. Felt like i had to add this because it hasnt been stated yet.
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I like the regen on it as well as the extra agi for evasion. I know it's only a defensive advantage but when I'm soloing salvage or doing dynamis, it makes a nice impact.
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Cerberus.Sigurd said: »
Both are viable options, I wouldn't criticize anyone for using one or the other. That said, in situations where I use my BLU (dynamis, nyzul, abyssea, etc), most mobs will be EP/DC/EM and thus the extra acc provided by Mavi is useless, while the dex and lol agi provides a benefit. If you happen to be a lucky *** who has Toci's Harness then there is no question Ocelomeh +1 > Mavi. Ocelomeh +1 also makes for an incredible ws piece for Almace users like myself, along with a decent idle set piece if you don't have refresh hairpin.
Im happy having bought ocelomeh+1, but I can see why people who don't have Almace or Toci's would bother with the cost.
Im happy having bought ocelomeh+1, but I can see why people who don't have Almace or Toci's would bother with the cost.
I think this was well said. I believe that the reason a few BLU's who don't TP in the gear of the accepted-collective-knowledge of other dire hard BLU folks is because of expense, access to assistance in getting the higher tiers of gear, and/or length of experience.
But, the OP certainly had a reason to blow off some steam, even if he did generalize to the point of no return and step on the toes of others who don't fit the generalized mold. Lol, but eh, forums.
I do think looking at Mavi for long periods of time is annoying, and I'm already a huge fan of triple attack from my THF, so getting Oce+1 set is worth my time and effort; not to mention,... I'm really eyeballing the +3DA neckpiece I saw yesterday on the BLU tutorial in this section. Diabolos? OK!
common ilk?
Asura.Leairc said: »
I believe that the reason a few BLU's who don't TP in the gear of the accepted-collective-knowledge of other dire hard BLU folks is because of expense, access to assistance in getting the higher tiers of gear, and/or length of experience.
You dress it up well, but it doesn't hold up under scrutiny. The game has a macro engine, we have 80 active inventory spaces, and different situations call for different stats. I can't be the only person who noticed all these things (admittedly back when inventory was more constrained) and made the logical leap to effective macroing without any sort of outside input.
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I haven't even bother upgrading my feet and hands to +2. I'm a terrible BLU sometimes
Asura.Leairc said: »
Thank you for the great information.
It's a shame the heavy handed tone and condescending nature of the OP had to brave it's way in amongst the common ilk, but obviously you needed a forum to vent, so that I understand.
It's a shame the heavy handed tone and condescending nature of the OP had to brave it's way in amongst the common ilk, but obviously you needed a forum to vent, so that I understand.
See, this is why I always feel bad writing something like the OP, when it sort of inadvertently targets someone like you who is obviously polite, logical and well-spoken. And then you read this and you're like, "Wow this guy is a lunatic!". The OP is kind of like a concise version of what's been going on in my (and I'm sure many other BLU's) head over the past few years when we see people wearing these hands/feet.
At first we kind of shrug it off and chalk it up to the gear being new and cool. Time goes by and we still see people doing this and it starts to irk us a little. Flash-forward a bit and we're in full RAGE mode because we just don't understand why. It's like that Chinese water torture where they strap you down and drip water onto the same spot on your forehead until it slowly drives you insane. It may seem like something small and insignificant to some people but to see it over and over with no reasoning behind it (besides the arguments Mr. Blue made) gets to be a bit infuriating.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Asura.Leairc said: »
I believe that the reason a few BLU's who don't TP in the gear of the accepted-collective-knowledge of other dire hard BLU folks is because of expense, access to assistance in getting the higher tiers of gear, and/or length of experience.
This is the main point that I was trying to make. Of course I over exaggerated in my OP by calling Mr. Blue all sorts of nasty things - saying he can't read the stats and insulting his intelligence. Of course I know that people can read the stats, yet they wear the gear anyway. That's what gets me. People know exactly what Mavi hands/feet do (or don't do in this case) yet they still wear them. This is worse than simply not knowing. It's willfully gimping yourself. People are literally going out of their way to wear gear that does absolutely nothing and that's what I take issue with.
The OP was designed as more of a PSA mixed with humor (although you're 100% right, it did come of as condescending and heavy handed but it was kind of supposed to) that I hoped would give some people a good laugh and I knew full well that it would offend some of these culprit BLUs. But if even one of those BLUs logs in tomorrow, looks at those Mavi hands/feet in his TP set and says, "You know what? That guy was a total douche bag about it but he sorta has a point..." then it will make my time spent writing this totally worth it. I don't mind being the villain if it changes someone for the better in the end.
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I've tp'd in Junior Musketeer's chakram +1 90% of the time since I was high enough level to, and I was considered as one of the best blu's on Odin (note I said "one of", not "the"). I also tp in Mavi+2 head body and legs with homam in hands and feet. I also use mavi+2 head for ALL of my physical spells, not just for chain affinity, because I don't use spellcast and making a situational macro is too much effort. I can't be assed making a STR sword, I don't have an evasion build, and I've only just started working on an Almace. I also wear Chelona hat for Requiescat (-7 STR/DEX).
I know damn well many of these things are gimping me, so does everyone in this thread. Some of the holes in my gear sets/play style are from laziness, some from lack of availability, some I'm still working on, and others are from inventory concerns.
The point of this post though, is that even though I've only been playing for a week after an almost year long absence, those that know me still consider me a damn good blu.
Knowledge of the best gear for situation/slot and the ability to put that knowledge into use is a very fine thing to have. But when you can communicate with your party, play your job as more than just a tp feeding DD and just generally keep your wits about you in difficult situations, a lot of that other ***just doesn't matter (as much).
I know damn well many of these things are gimping me, so does everyone in this thread. Some of the holes in my gear sets/play style are from laziness, some from lack of availability, some I'm still working on, and others are from inventory concerns.
The point of this post though, is that even though I've only been playing for a week after an almost year long absence, those that know me still consider me a damn good blu.
Knowledge of the best gear for situation/slot and the ability to put that knowledge into use is a very fine thing to have. But when you can communicate with your party, play your job as more than just a tp feeding DD and just generally keep your wits about you in difficult situations, a lot of that other ***just doesn't matter (as much).
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not having the facts = ignorant, having the facts but not doing anything about it = stupid, having the facts, listening to advice, working towards improving = intelligence
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i agree 100 % w/ u blaz i'm same boat as wel. i just try to use what's best for any given situation. sure theres a ton of gear i need to make me a better blue. but when i can crank out 8k solo darkness w/ str shiki and my shell mates jaws hit the floor, i sometimes wonder why we as blue have a stigma for being less than acceptable for certain events and totally overlooked for others. then i realized what this topic was about, and /sigh at the blues tping in non-typical non-conventional gears and the answer becomes crystal. sorry for the wall of text, but i am passionately serious about Blue.
Just to chime in from another angle here...
Unfortunately, sometimes even good blu mages get so caught up in their own awesomeness, they forget/ignore what the PT leader says/wants, and do their own thing anyway. Maybe they wanna prove themselves, or maybe they wanna go all E-peen and post big dmg pics.
As a general rule, I used to not invite blu mages (those I didn't know personally) for this reason alone. Like Blazza said, knowledge of job and good communication are necessary to succeed in non-solo situations.
To the OP: the types of people who don't give a ***about what gear to wear, probably don't even log onto this website or view these forums. This is why they aren't going to stop TPing in mavi hands / feet, and are "Giving a bad name to blu mages everywhere." I enjoyed your OP btw, it made me chuckle lol.
Unfortunately, sometimes even good blu mages get so caught up in their own awesomeness, they forget/ignore what the PT leader says/wants, and do their own thing anyway. Maybe they wanna prove themselves, or maybe they wanna go all E-peen and post big dmg pics.
As a general rule, I used to not invite blu mages (those I didn't know personally) for this reason alone. Like Blazza said, knowledge of job and good communication are necessary to succeed in non-solo situations.
To the OP: the types of people who don't give a ***about what gear to wear, probably don't even log onto this website or view these forums. This is why they aren't going to stop TPing in mavi hands / feet, and are "Giving a bad name to blu mages everywhere." I enjoyed your OP btw, it made me chuckle lol.
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