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A message from your Producer, Akihiko Matsui
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-16 20:49:11
Make Matsya suck just a tiny bit less. Saving up 142 bait and getting 5 fish from it is really a bit too horrid, imo. Yeah I like having a goal again but ffs it seems like I could make another relic in the time it'd take to fish a reasonable amount of Matsya >< I personally don't think they should change Matsya, which has been in the game for a long time, just because it now has a cape for a reward.
If there was going to be an adjustment made, then it should have been made right after it was implemented and not when everyone and their mules just suddenly wanted it.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-08-16 20:49:12
A "bit", maybe. But not "the same as 2h". That's absurd.
No it isn't. Once again, read up on how those stats work and educate yourself before making yourself look like a fool.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2012-08-17 17:56:28
If anyone would like to read my proposals, I have wrote a good amount on page 20 :)
Below is a basic list of what I put forward:
1) Saving Space
2) Auction House abuse
3) Magian Weapons with the same name
4) Macro system
5) Enmity
6) Job tutorials
7) Merit Weapon Skills
8) Upgrading old gear
9) Rehaul of Obsolete gear
10) PVP
11) More power to Alliance and LS Leaders
12) Linkshell merging
Please Like if you like the ideas, cheers! :)
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-08-17 18:01:59
People need some kind of qualifying status before they're able to push ideas though... seriously, I'd backhand most people for the suggestions they're making.
By Artemicion 2012-08-17 18:03:32
Would be nice to have SE and the producer have an understanding of the myriad of things that need adjustment and addressing, and put it into a poll rather than this "like my post" popularity contest here.
Though with how clueless SE has been all these years, I'm putting this one under wishful thinking.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2012-08-17 18:06:21
People need some kind of qualifying status before they're able to push ideas though... seriously, I'd backhand most people for the suggestions they're making.
People are very different. While some person think an idea is absolute excellence, another person will think it is ridiculous.
SE will obviously look at the more reoccurring ideas and see if they can be implemented, while they dismiss ideas that don't make sense or are not popular. Everyone should be allowed to have their say, as they also pay the monthly subscription for this game.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-08-17 18:09:15
One man's trash is another man's treasure, etc. etc., doesn't equalize the fact that many of the suggestions people attempt to spear-head are ill-thought out, poorly considered, don't work in the current/past system, or are totally ridiculous in design, not considering the frame-work they exist in. For every idea of this sort that is taken into consideration, a well-thought out idea is glazed over.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2012-08-17 18:13:42
One man's trash is another man's treasure, etc. etc., doesn't equalize the fact that many of the suggestions people attempt to spear-head are ill-thought out, poorly considered, don't work in the current/past system, or are totally ridiculous in design, not considering the frame-work they exist in. For every idea of this sort that is taken into consideration, a well-thought out idea is glazed over.
I think your looking at this in such a negative light. At least SE asked us what we wanted this time, in the past they never really cared what we had to say, but over the last couple of years they have reached out to us.
Some people may not have the same intricate understanding of how the game works behind the scenes compared to others. Some players are more casual and are simply not aware that their idea is poorly thought out or ridiculous. I am sure that SE takes note of all the good ideas, and will discuss them. Also the post made was more about the producer getting a feel for what the game is currently like, more then what is actually wrong with the game.
It would be like any manager who comes into a new job, they will want to see what people like or dislike, so they can get a feel for the work that needs to be done. These suggestions made, I am sure, will not be the last ever time they can be put forward to SE.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-08-17 18:16:53
My original point stands. There should be a filter, because with SE's responses in the past few months, it's obvious that they can't do it themselves, when they respond to the most asinine ideas.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-17 18:20:18
I don't think it's a negative light.
People need to be contributing actual solid ideas, not something that they just thought of 3 seconds ago.
What may take you 5 minutes to write out, it takes a community rep much longer to translate.
If there are 30 ideas an hour, important ideas that would actually help the game might get overlooked. This goes for both players and the community reps. They even said that they are going to consider the posts rated up the most. This tells me that the producer wants 10-20 ideas from each region for him to go over and bring to the development team meeting.
This also means that the ideas brought up right after the post was released are the only ones going to be considered.
You may think posting random pointless ideas doesn't hurt anyone, but I believe it hurts everyone. Clutter is a horrible thing to sort through when the game needs some solid improvements right now.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2012-08-17 18:21:43
SE are just trying to please as many of the players as possible. How could you even work a filter on this kind of stuff? Would it be fair if that filter stopped certain players ideas from getting through? What if that idea was absolutely amazing but the filter stopped it?
Stopping any kind of feedback is counter productive, if it means we get the odd asinine idea, then it really does not bother me, the game is that old now, do people really care that much if they brought out one or two silly ideas?
I could understand if SE decided to turn everyone into a bunny rabbit, why people would be annoyed about that, but something like changing collison between PCs, or anything else that I have seen, it won't make me lose any sleep if they are implemented.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2012-08-17 18:24:44
I can totally see that point Kalilla, but if SE really want feedback, would it really take them that long to sort through those pages and note down the good ones? Are they really that strapped for time, that someone can't properly sit down and note all the good ideas after reading all the posts?
I am sure SE is aware that the most likes will be in the first posts, I am sure they are not silly when it comes to knowing how forums work.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-08-17 18:26:01
Point and case. Collision removal is probably the best thing they've come up with in quite awhile. It's actually a boon to the game's UI. And it's not an "odd" asinine idea, it's tons and tons of them. I can't even stomach the OF it's so bad.
Filter = i.e. community reps.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2012-08-17 18:29:31
I mean was this a response to some of my ideas? Because I thought my ideas were pretty solid, and I didn't just think of them in seconds, I had full on reasons why they should be implemented, and what the side effects could be.
I run a facebook page, and the amount of illogical posts I read through on a daily basis is excessive, that's just how people are. When you open up a post like that, you will find good and bad ideas, how could you tell an excellent idea if they are all excellent ideas? You need good with the bad, that is how you distinguish between the two and find the really good ideas.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-17 18:37:39
I mean was this a response to some of my ideas? I wouldn't call you out like that. I'm saying in general ideas need to be solid.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-08-17 18:55:26
I was honestly surprised to see so many likes on my post about lowering bullet prices. I hope they do something about it, i.e. I hope the JPs post about it.
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By Sylph.Kawar 2012-08-19 20:26:55
I just posted my message up on the se forum about tokens i hope a lot of people like my post and i hope it helps to get this done users want the right to buy with crysta i know it.
I can totally see that point Kalilla, but if SE really want feedback, would it really take them that long to sort through those pages and note down the good ones? Are they really that strapped for time, that someone can't properly sit down and note all the good ideas after reading all the posts?
I am sure SE is aware that the most likes will be in the first posts, I am sure they are not silly when it comes to knowing how forums work. your right it is something that any user right now can do all they need to do is ask one guy when he comes in to the office sit here read all 39 pages or so and note what u think the good ideas are it would take someone like 1 day or 2 days if he wants to check and check to make sure he did not miss something a few hours if he is really sure he did it right all ready thought.
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By Asura.Koconoe 2012-08-19 20:35:24
A shame "I want PlayOnline removed" wasn't the first post.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-08-19 21:05:17
I asked them to stop making ultra-pseudo-hard content for alliances and focus on 6-man play when designing difficult content. More practical for the playerbase and hopefully gets us away from at least Perfect Defense spam. I don't know that Embrava will ever go away.
I've only glanced at a few posts in this thread, none at all on the OF, but you're criticizing two of the best I've seen thus far. At the very least we need to move beyond content that demands use of PD/Embrava and I'd really like to see 1hand jobs put closer to the same playing field as 2handers on high-level content. The only job I'm remotely worried about overpowering in that situation is MNK. Times have changed, the circumstances that necessitated boosting 2handers are long gone. Things have tipped the other way now.
Hell, do the same for BLU spells while we're at it.
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2012-08-19 21:25:16
The only job I'm remotely worried about overpowering in that situation is MNK
H2H already has enough special rules, if it turned out to be overpowered, then the code already branches - just don't boost it as much.
1h jobs do need fixed in a big way, though.
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By Fenrir.Krucial 2012-08-19 21:25:19
Caitsith.Heimdall said: »So basically what I'm getting from this is he is asking people to help him figure out all the screw ups that need to be fixed that the other guy had added to the game over the past 2 years. Some I can think of to add would be faster voidwatch stone recharge. Better drop rates on gear and upgrade items from voidwatch and ability to put gear you already have into a treasure pool for others to lot on. Allow skill ups in campaign where skill level caps are based on the zone and add auto RR to it and besiege.Campaign warps to strong holds and warp for besiege when the mobs are advancing with better notification system. Also ability to increase moghouse size, not storage but the actual moghouse itself.Make it like a moblin maze map and the room upgrade peices rewards form moblin maze and balista. Re work some older synergy recipes that are near impossible without script programs. Revitalize moblin maze , balista and brenner adding a rewards to ballista( I miss the roaming full scale Balista groups that use happen years ago they led to many epic large scale matches). Also a easy to get piece of gear that raises the wearers enemity cap above others in the party so they can actually tank and hold hate. Improved fishing skill up rates.
After 3 pages on this forum i wanted to kill myself, I wouldnt dare to go read all the crap there. What game are you guys playing?
I like the fishing skill up idea but pvp campaign mmm come on. I do VW all the time and still at 540 stones how are you out? And if you are do something else or buy dust theres nothing to "Fix" here.
By Solrain 2012-08-19 21:51:16
I can totally see that point Kalilla, but if SE really want feedback, would it really take them that long to sort through those pages and note down the good ones? Are they really that strapped for time, that someone can't properly sit down and note all the good ideas after reading all the posts?
I am sure SE is aware that the most likes will be in the first posts, I am sure they are not silly when it comes to knowing how forums work.
I definitely agree with this.
It's extremely admirable that Matsui is asking us common folk for ideas that we have. I really can't stand stupid people or stupid ideas but I guess everyone having a say in things is fair enough - they can easily filter out the stupid ideas to get to the good ones. I'm sure they have payed employees that sift through this kinda stuff for them.
Also, something to keep in mind is that even though he says they'll consider the ideas with the most Likes it doesn't mean those are going to be the only ideas that they take from this. At the end of the day, it's Matsui's decision as to what is going into the game and he might get a random vision of a good idea from a post with no Likes at all. Or in typical SE fashion, take something ridiculous and waste a whole update on it.
Either way, it's a step in the right direction. Matsui is already awesome in my book!
By Quiznor 2012-08-19 22:05:45
We should make a post on the OF to get Kalilla hired by SE as head of the community team
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2012-08-19 22:07:10
We should make a post on the OF to get Kalilla hired by SE as head of the community team
What? No! We like Kalilla, why would you suggest such a horrible fate?
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By Lakshmi.Cesil 2012-08-19 22:07:30
Oh wow..they are doing in XI what they are doing in XIV, thats great :) I love letters from the producer ^^
By Quiznor 2012-08-19 22:09:40
We should make a post on the OF to get Kalilla hired by SE as head of the community team
What? No! We like Kalilla, why would you suggest such a horrible fate?
Because she already does better job at it than they do. So imaginr if she had foresight and inside info to wwork with + to leak to us
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By Bismarck.Greezy 2012-08-19 22:21:37
Make Matsya suck just a tiny bit less. Saving up 142 bait and getting 5 fish from it is really a bit too horrid, imo. Yeah I like having a goal again but ffs it seems like I could make another relic in the time it'd take to fish a reasonable amount of Matsya >< I personally don't think they should change Matsya, which has been in the game for a long time, just because it now has a cape for a reward.
If there was going to be an adjustment made, then it should have been made right after it was implemented and not when everyone and their mules just suddenly wanted it.
individually, the shawl is not Dboxable.
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By Shiva.Dourid 2012-08-19 23:07:34
An interesting, more unique request was the one, very simple and short post, about how he should join a random server, play a lv99 and experience the game for himself. The interesting thing about it is the relatively high amount of likes it got. Will certainly be interesting to keep in mind.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-08-19 23:19:16
I've only glanced at a few posts in this thread, none at all on the OF, but you're criticizing two of the best I've seen thus far. At the very least we need to move beyond content that demands use of PD/Embrava and I'd really like to see 1hand jobs put closer to the same playing field as 2handers on high-level content. Times have changed, the circumstances that necessitated boosting 2handers are long gone.
The point I was trying to make about how I feel that is silly, is the reason they did it in the first place. The whole "you would generate more force if you swung an object with both hands" train of thought. I guess that means nothing to anybody. /shrug. Carry on then mates. Maybe they will change it back. Who knows? I just found that silly due to the above.
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By Asura.Ruzoko 2012-08-19 23:29:42
Personally I would like to see the entry lvl for abyssea increased,and old party areas put back into use, tired of what used to be a live world turned abyssea, where most zones are dead compared to what they once were. As stands the level sync function isnt as much used and exp increase is not as much worth it since everyone is book burning. Don't mind keeping the books around as it would give a 2nd option VS 6 man partys, but point is would be nice to see FFXI be the lively world it once was instead of book burn to 30 and burn in abyssea to 99 and stay there for most of what you need. (Also tired of seeing people at 99 with relic/empy with no idea how to play the job decently)
| 08-15-2012 01:23 PM | | Akihiko Matsui | | Dev Team |  |
| | Hello everyone.
Thanks for all of the "likes" and messages in response to the post I made the other day!
As I wrote in the Message from the Producer, there is a ton to catch up on from the past two years and I've been doing my best each day to do just that. However, even if I do my best I don’t think this gap is something that I can completely fill by myself, so I would really appreciate everyone's help.
Now then, I'd like you all to tell me what you would like me to focus on. Anything is fine.
However, I would like you to keep in mind and agree to the following:
Do not attack or flame others, including myself.
Be specific and concrete. We won't be able to accomplish anything if posts are unclear or full of attacks.
Instead of saying what you "don’t want," tell me what you "want."
Tell me what it is that YOU prefer. Not what your friends or linkshell members say, I want to hear from you specifically.
Please make your posts as a reply to this thread (I will also be taking into consideration the amount of "likes" each post receives). As a general rule, feedback should be posted in the appropriate thread, so once we collected enough post in this thread and after an appropriate amount of time, we'll close the thread. Also please limit replies to your opinions only and if you would like to discuss specific points, please utilize appropriate threads for each topic.
I will be doing my best to look over each and every post made. (Though, I am sure it will take some time…) Your opinions will definitely play a part in helping me fill in the gap from these past two years as well as for thinking about the future of FINAL FANTASY XI.
In addition to the work for currently scheduled version updates, there is also a lot of work to be done for the new expansion, "Seeker of Adoulin," so I don’t think there will be very many things we can do immediately and I’d like to apologize for that.
Also, I don’t believe it will be possible to have every single thing come to fruition, due to the fact that there may be content that is contradictory or things that no matter how hard we try it is just not feasible.
I will first be making sure that I accurately understand what you would like and then will determine if it is possible or not, and assign a priority level to it. I will be sharing this with you all and making it so together we can see the picture of how FINAL FANTASY XI will change going forward. I feel this is something the community needs and though it might not be quite so easy, it is a method I would like to adopt.
Thank you very much! | |
As always with topics like these, feel free to discuss the topic here, but if you want your voice heard you will need to post in the topic on the official forums.
| 08-27-2012 01:13 PM | | Akihiko Matsui | | Dev Team |  |
| | Thank you so much for the large amount of comments! We will now be closing the thread.
There are a huge amount of suggestions from Japan, North America, and Europe, but I will be looking over each and every post that followed the instructions, and will be taking it all into consideration as I think about the future of FINAL FANTASY XI and the mutual feelings of the community.
I also have one more request for you all. I hope that you all could read over all of the posts in this thread (of course, reading over what you can is fine, too).
After playing with your friends for so long, you often start to think and play the same way as the them, including your linkshell members, and players that you spend a lot of time with and grow close to.
In this thread there are posts from these people as well as people who think in a completely different way. I’d like you to try and understand what adventurers other than yourself are thinking and looking for.
In order to continue to protect the FINAL FANTASY XI that we all love, we need everyone's cooperation or we'll be unable to accomplish anything.
I'd like to place more importance on the community and work side-by-side with you all.
From here on out I would appreciate it if you could consider the fact that there are people in the community who think in a variety of different ways and to sometimes write your feedback and opinions from an open-minded standpoint.
Thank you all very much! | |
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