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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-08-03 18:32:38
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It doesn't matter what you thought they were going to do, they're not planning to implement it at this point in time.
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2012-08-03 18:43:49
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I understand that. I really do. I just don't appreciate them acting like they didn't say what they said. Or other people acting like I"m some sort of idiot fanboy for believing what they said.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-08-03 19:18:53
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No, you were just dumb.
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By Gilgamesh.Nynja 2012-08-03 22:31:44
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You saw what you wanted to see, not what was really there. And even if they said they were GOING to do it, things can change very quickly with the arise of new information and data. The original message of Pet:TH+ was early Feb...its August now, 7 months have passed.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-08-03 22:49:16
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Sad its not happening. But all well, what can you do!
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By tazkwondo 2012-08-21 13:59:10
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Lying to the players about what they would add in the future was their way of mitigating the anger that would result from their hate of a specific player base. I remember the same post and thinking, "ugh. more minus inventory space". Now they just don't care in the name of BaRance. So they pLetend like they Neva said somesing about tLeasure hunta gea. HOW ABOUT YOU MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT GETS DOOMED... DIES! In the name of Barance. To be Faya. Not being able to remove doom from pets does not seem so faya. So, to Barance, make sure everything dies. Remove Cursna for Barance.
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By esdain 2012-08-21 14:07:05
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Am I having a stroke or is anyone else not able to make sense of the above post?
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2012-08-21 14:18:10
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Just ask yourself this simple question. Why would they take away the level of pet TH only to give it back to you in a different form? In a way adding gear to give TH to pet would only make BST that much better. Since it is gear and not trait specific to a pet a bst could use any jug pet they wanted and have TH available. This would then only cause the masses to riot. Picket signs and circle jerks would then ensue in Port Jeuno. Logic says something taken away in the name of Balance will not be given back especially in the form of something with greater potential.
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By Asura.Sanaki 2012-08-21 14:23:54
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esdain said: »
Am I having a stroke or is anyone else not able to make sense of the above post?

I almost had a stroke reading it so you might have too.
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By Phoenix.Cathaldus 2012-08-21 14:31:41
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Bismarck.Punchus said: »
Just ask yourself this simple question. Why would they take away the level of pet TH only to give it back to you in a different form? In a way adding gear to give TH to pet would only make BST that much better. Since it is gear and not trait specific to a pet a bst could use any jug pet they wanted and have TH available. This would then only cause the masses to riot. Picket signs and circle jerks would then ensue in Port Jeuno. Logic says something taken away in the name of Balance will not be given back especially in the form of something with greater potential.

They've always seen more gear as balancing. They gimped Saboteur and Absorb-TP simply to add the increase to the eAF.
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2012-08-21 14:45:08
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Digging up the post this whole thing started from.

02-02-2012 05:25 PM
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Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs

As an adjustment to the balance of Treasure Hunter at level 99, the below pets will have their Treasure Hunter effect changed to Treasure Hunter I.

-Dipper Yuly
-Faithful Falcorr
※These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger.

Here is the premise regarding the hierarchy of the Treasure Hunter effect (from strongest to weakest).

  1. Thief

  2. Ranger

  3. Support job thief

  4. Other jobs


※As ranger received the new “Bounty Shot” as a support ability, it is now slightly more beneficial than a support job Treasure Hunter when effectively used.

However, with the increase in the level cap from 75 to 99, this ordering has started to become ambiguous, so in order to clearly define the premise again, our current aim was to find adjustments appropriate to follow this.

The prime example of changes to this hierarchy were with the increase in the Treasure Hunter effect for familiar pets due to the level cap increase and we would like to start by adjusting this area.

The development team looked into routes to adjust this, such as changing the pet’s job, lowering the stats of the pets in exchange for not lowering the Treasure Hunter effect, revamping the pet’s special abilities, etc., but ultimately they made the decision to preserve their fighting capabilities and only reduce their Treasure Hunter effect. To go along with this adjustment, we will be easing up on the materials required to synthesize “Lucky Broth” which created with the basis of the Treasure Hunter effect in mind.
※The current focus of this adjustment is for familiar pets, but in the future if automatons and avatars are given Treasure Hunter, we will be adopting the same policy.

To give a bit more insight, the development team looked into a completely different direction on this at first, exploring if they could establish proper balance to follow this idea by changing the drop rate table. However, if they were to change the drop rates, the obtainment rate for every single item would change and the effects would be too drastic, so they came to the conclusion that they would not be adjusting the drop rates.
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Should totally reply back to his post with a copy of this to strait out call them out on it. SE has really made a habit of saying one thing then doing another or not doing it all all and then pretending they never said it. There was a post form them years ago when prankton(sp) came out that bst would be able use the plates to call specialty pets in the field. But then that never happened and all mention of it eventually vanished. This just naming one example of them doing that.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-08-21 14:47:48
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I see it as more of a potential gear check. Perle BSTs would be less likely to obtain it, limiting the currency influx for those players and potentially eliminating some congestion in Dynamis as well. BST in Dynamis was, and to be completely honest still is, easymode currency.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-08-21 14:48:24
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Caitsith.Heimdall said: »
Should totally reply back to his post with a copy of this to strait out call them out on it. SE has really made a habit of saying one thing then doing another or not doing it all all and then pretending they never said it. There was a post form them years ago when prankton(sp) came out that bst would be able use the plates to call specialty pets in the field. But then that never happened and all mention of it eventually vanished. This just naming one example of them doing that.
Welcome to three weeks ago.
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2012-08-21 15:08:27
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Fenrir.Camiie said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Fenrir.Camiie said: »
Well let me ask the people who are so down on BST some questions.

What do you want from us? What do you want us to be? We don't seem fit in your party structures, and you seem to be perfectly happy with that. You don't want us to be able to solo for our gear/currency effectively either. It seems that a lot of people would prefer that BST have no place at all. Do you guys feel the same about other jobs as well? Why or why not?

I personally find that most BST's are rude and inconsiderate of other players around them.

That's a prejudiced comment. "I personally find that most <group of people> are <negative stereotype>." It's no different than when someone says most JP players are stuck-up and xenophobic or most NA are selfish and obnoxious. None of these things are even remotely true or provable. Anecdotes don't count.

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They constantly pull the majority of enemies in the area slowing other players down, pulling enemies near other players so they have to run to a different location, then following them so other players have to constantly move around them. Instead of sweeping the area with players around them, like just about everyone else does, they feel the need to take everything for themselves.

This is not unique to BST or Dynamis. Until SE implements instancing there's always going to be someone out there that wants to fight the same thing you want to at the same time and gets in your way. I've had parties get in the way of parties and alliances get in the way of alliances before. People used to hi-jack Dynamis zones or spam their way into battlefields. I've been on BST and had people on other jobs step on my toes. Should I develop a prejudice against anyone who plays that job and be happy when their job takes a hit? Of course not. I would feel incredibly stupid for doing so.

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Just because we are competing against each other for claims does not excuse them of being inconsiderate and lack respect for everyone around them. I have met maybe 10-12 BST's that tried to work with other players instead of pushing them away.

Add one more to your list then. I'm too nice for my own good more often than not whether I'm on BST or another job, solo or in a group. Heck, I don't even DO Dynamis on any sort of regular basis on my BST which is perfectly capable of doing so. Why? Too much damn conflict even though I only play nice.

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We have dozens of opportunities every dynamis run to steal your blinking targets jumping from your pet fighting and what you're fighting, but the majority of players will not steal from you. BST's pull half the camp yet most players won't pull off of you. It's a complete lack of respect for players around you, yet you all still ask why players hate BST's in dynamis.

Look, if someone is camping mobs, they think they own all the mobs of that type in the area. I've never seen anyone act any differently no matter what job they were on or whether they were solo or grouped. People tend to have the same mentality as they do with XP camps. Everything that lies before them is theirs. Take one mob and bad feelings pop up. Now not everyone acts on those feelings, but they do emerge.

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It's one of the things that really ruined the new dynamis for me and I honestly would of enjoyed it much more if BST's respected their competition a bit more instead of constantly trying to be in the way of others. It really doesn't make it any fun for me to constantly avoid BST in dynamis, and it upsets me that I even have to avoid a single job to begin with.

Your problem isn't with BSTs, it's with specific individuals with selfish mindsets.

Ya know you read all this but I remember plating bst long before even toah came out and people would constantly grief bst by coming and camping on top of them for their xp partys or actively trying mpk bst by taking the mob the bst was trying to charm or by other means(Not to mention refusing to invite bst to xp partys even after they made it so pets don't effect xp). Now suddenly there is something that bst is very good at that has very little effect on others and they all want complain and hate on bst because of it saying bst steals there stuff and won't sit back and let them have all the unclaimed mobs.

All these post seem to be on both forums is people who didn't level bst or in some cases a th job complaining and saying good to bst th being nerfed out of envy and hate vs bst saying it is not a fair nerf who are obviously out numbered by the non bst players commenting on it being good or bad. Also don't forget a bst has to constantly spend money to play it's job and the jug pets/pet food don't come cheap. It certainly isn't like we can charm mobs in areas that it would matter or be useful.
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2012-08-21 15:10:13
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Caitsith.Heimdall said: »
Should totally reply back to his post with a copy of this to strait out call them out on it. SE has really made a habit of saying one thing then doing another or not doing it all all and then pretending they never said it. There was a post form them years ago when prankton(sp) came out that bst would be able use the plates to call specialty pets in the field. But then that never happened and all mention of it eventually vanished. This just naming one example of them doing that.
Welcome to three weeks ago.

Well I just came back to the game about 4 or 5 days ago after a year so I guess that would be fitting lol.
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By Ragnarok.Hotkarl 2012-08-21 15:21:01
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Bst's don't need TH gear, Go level thief like I did if u want more TH. Quit crying about what SE might have hinted at.
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By Bismarck.Zagen 2012-08-21 15:28:44
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Ragnarok.Hotkarl said: »
Bst's don't need TH gear, Go level thief like I did if u want more TH. Quit crying about what SE might have hinted at.
Guess you're happy being lied to... this long and people still don't get the big deal about this whole situation had nothing to do with the fact BST is not getting Pet: TH+ gear but the fact that they denied it was ever said.
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By Ragnarok.Hotkarl 2012-08-21 15:37:56
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Who cares, it's a "game" . I for one enjoy the game a lot and don't really care about a non issue like this. If u don't like it, nobody is forcing you to play.
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By Asura.Vishna 2012-08-21 15:44:53
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By Phoenix.Cathaldus 2012-08-21 15:45:43
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Ragnarok.Hotkarl said: »
Who cares, it's a "game" . I for one enjoy the game a lot and don't really care about a non issue like this. If u don't like it, nobody is forcing you to play.

And? The game didn't lie, the people making it did.
 
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2012-08-21 15:56:22
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Phoenix.Cathaldus said: »
Ragnarok.Hotkarl said: »
Who cares, it's a "game" . I for one enjoy the game a lot and don't really care about a non issue like this. If u don't like it, nobody is forcing you to play.

And? The game didn't lie, the people making it did.

They just don't seem to get that this has been a common practice of theirs saying gonna do something then turning around and denying it was ever said.
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By Ragnarok.Hotkarl 2012-08-21 15:56:55
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Oh? Got an issue, here's a tissue.
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By Bismarck.Zagen 2012-08-21 16:00:24
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Caitsith.Heimdall said: »
Phoenix.Cathaldus said: »
Ragnarok.Hotkarl said: »
Who cares, it's a "game" . I for one enjoy the game a lot and don't really care about a non issue like this. If u don't like it, nobody is forcing you to play.

And? The game didn't lie, the people making it did.

They just don't seem to get that this has been a common practice of theirs saying gonna do something then turning around and denying it was ever said.
I'd love examples because in the past as far as I'm aware they've changed their minds not denied ever saying something. While similar they aren't the same.
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By Phoenix.Cathaldus 2012-08-21 16:01:42
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Ragnarok.Hotkarl said: »
Oh? Got an issue, here's a tissue.

Seriously, stop trying so hard.
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By Valefor.Savain 2012-08-21 16:04:20
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The fact remains that SE said they'd lower TH and eventually enhance it again in the future with what seemed like a form of Taru Sash for BST. This was to follow a hierarchy which, if you see #3, is below subbing thief. Since jobs on Taru Sash gain TH3, SE suggested they would eventually return TH2 to BST in some form of quest/armor/sidegrade.

The above is a FACT. Not to be confused with OPINION. Now if in response to a FACT your OPINION is some form of "Just play the game" or "I think BST is awful" then you're not bright enough to realize what the point of this thread is.

I also seriously doubt any of the posters claiming people steal their mobs actually have their mobs stolen. Common sense says two people ****ing with each other ends baddly for both parties involved. If a guy beats you to a claim that's not the same as stealing, and if a guy beats you to a camp, then you should have searched the zone before blindly entering with your three friends and expecting an EP camp to be open.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-08-21 16:28:14
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Valefor.Savain said: »
I also seriously doubt any of the posters claiming people steal their mobs actually have their mobs stolen.

I've had many links taken off of me when soloing in dynamis. It does happen. This is why I personally hate bsts. They take mobs, and when they hold 5 they get pissed if you take one back, even though they did it first. I've been followed by bsts before because they took one of my links and I said something to them. So yeah...

On topic, did anybody maybe think Camate's original post, might have been mistranslated? Or perhaps he was speaking to a lower dev team member on the chain and they perhaps leaked info they shouldn't have?
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By Bismarck.Zagen 2012-08-21 16:36:14
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
I've had many links taken off of me when soloing in dynamis. It does happen. This is why I personally hate bsts. They take mobs, and when they hold 5 they get pissed if you take one back, even though they did it first. I've been followed by bsts before because they took one of my links and I said something to them. So yeah...

I've stolen mobs on BLU after having links stolen that I end up proccing, so again it's the player not the job. I don't steal mobs when I'm on my BST mule because again I'm not one to do that without provocation, it has nothing to do with the job, any job can steal mobs, even more so if they are EP camps.

Odin.Eikechi said: »
On topic, did anybody maybe think Camate's original post, might have been mistranslated? Or perhaps he was speaking to a lower dev team member on the chain and they perhaps leaked info they shouldn't have?
That should have had "we're sorry it was a mistake" not "we never said that".
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By Asura.Sangunius 2012-08-21 16:39:00
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
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I also seriously doubt any of the posters claiming people steal their mobs actually have their mobs stolen.

I've had many links taken off of me when soloing in dynamis. It does happen. This is why I personally hate bsts. They take mobs, and when they hold 5 they get pissed if you take one back, even though they did it first. I've been followed by bsts before because they took one of my links and I said something to them. So yeah...

On topic, did anybody maybe think Camate's original post, might have been mistranslated? Or perhaps he was speaking to a lower dev team member on the chain and they perhaps leaked info they shouldn't have?
Whenever I'm in Dynamis, there seems to be a shared respect for the most part between the majority of BSTs here on Asura. Earlier in Qufim me and another bst split spawns of the same exact mobs at each time. Not having any issues. We both pulled 2-3 mobs at a time and got along fine. In response to the TH for Pet debate, it's be awesome to have. But would cause an insane amount of controversy across XI. I'd like to see them possible rebuff the traits per the pet or maybe make TH2 possible if your pet comes out a 99 cap. Solves the perle bst issue too an extent.
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By Bismarck.Zagen 2012-08-21 16:41:40
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Asura.Sangunius said: »
Solves the perle bst issue too an extent.
Removing TH completely from Falcorr/Yuly wouldn't even solve the perle BST issue... I've seen some running around solo with sheep, tiger, and even slug pets, and I'm not talking about BSTs running around after TE with a trash pet.
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