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By eeternal 2021-03-05 11:37:44
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if you hate Oseem and want a good set for MB, would Agwu's be good? or a combination between it and Amalric +1?

From reading the forum, I assume Peda. M.Board +3 is bis for MB, so what would you guys recommend for the other main 5 slots (+weapon)?

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By Chimerawizard 2021-03-05 14:38:23
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all 5 agwu's are excellent. Purely INT & MAB Peda M.Board+3 seems to win, but including magic damage+ and r30 I want to say agwu may be slightly better damage.

Here's what I'm thinking about transitioning to.
ItemSet 367722
ItemSet 367705

Will likely use a mix of amalric & agwu while augmenting each piece.

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Would you say Mpaca's Staff is the best for general nuking or just for Helix? I've got Daybreak/Maxentius with Ammurapi in the back pocket here. I'm not very well versed in SCH, but Helix is stack as much 'Magic Damage' as possible, yes?
I'd guess pure damage: Bunzi rod > Daybreak > Mpaca Staff.
Staff also can afford you Myrkr or Cataclysm however giving it other benefits for cleaving or in a longer fight w/o aspir.
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By Wyrmnax 2021-03-18 11:58:08
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Should I still be using Arabatel feet +1?

I understand it is supposedly still one of the biggest damage pieces you can have, but the lack of Macc is.... bad, to say the least.

Ive been dusting off my sch on the recent months, and there is a lot of places it fell behind....
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By Shiva.Berzerk 2021-03-18 12:03:03
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I've been using Amalric +1 feet in tandem with other set pieces after testing myself and seeing the difference was super small or leaned toward Amalric +1, I don't remember exactly but the lack of Macc was an issue for me at the time, too.
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By Chimerawizard 2021-03-18 13:38:54
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arbatel loafers +1 vs Agwu's pigaches
INT & mDMG are tied to spells base damage, their % increase varies by spell & target. Going to skip those.
MBB+9 in traits, +13 in gifts.
MAB+36 in gifts. +24 from subjob BLM or RDM.

Going to use the numbers on the MB acc set mentioned above on this page. I didn't slap it with the MP return body and the set is overcap'd on MB1, so the feet slot should be a lower % of total damage.
gear: MB+37, MB2+17, MAB+216, (aug)MAB+140
excl. feet totals: MB+76 MAB+416
incl. feet totals: MB+79 MAB+476

(576/516)*(179/176)=113.5%
There's still INT+6 mDMG+20, doubt they'll do much though.
Then there's the mACC+55 instead of arbatel's skill+23.
~1.5% DMG loss for mACC+32. worth it.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Avengers 2021-03-20 20:41:15
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Hey guys, looking to potentially get into sch, looking for a nice mage class (that isn't bard or whm, using those on alt account) that I can assist my LS with low man events and other such. Sch seems like a good choice, but this guide seems pretty dated to use. I haven't put much effort in a mage job since pre Seekers era.

Which of the AF/Relic/Empy armors are worth using, best merits, which gear should I seek our for what, best updated weapons now. I know it feels like i'm asking for much, but just need pointed in the right direction for what to follow.
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By Chimerawizard 2021-03-20 22:13:42
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Before suggesting gear, I'll suggest other jobs: GEO or RDM, they can both provide better support and can use Ea for better damage nukes. SCH is generally stuck being a gimp WHM or makes skillchains for others to MB when in a group.

Arbatel +1: hands all things perpetuanced > Head regen > rest in case +2 is amazing.
Pedagogy +3: Body all enhancing & cursna > hands cures > Feet Stun recast > head MB > legs aspir.
Academics +3: all magic accuracy heaven > hands FC > legs cure & cursna

You're planning to use it in a group, so how much do they plan to use it for?
If you're just there to make skillchains for stuff, no staff needed... in fact sometimes it's a hindrance, FC and done.
If they want regen + embrava before dropping, FC + Regen midcast + embrava midcast. (telchine mostly for both)
If you plan to nuke alongside the BLM... probably don't. Unless you're setup with a multibox BLM that will always finish casting before you, you'll probably do more harm to their damage than you'll add. Only exceptions to this being Helix2 & Kaustra. Kaustra being extremely difficult to increase dmg thanks to mDMG being excluded from its dmg formula.

Merits: group 1: Helix acc/dmg & either sublimation+ or arts-
group 2: Stormsurge & either Enlightenment or Focalization.

weapons: chatoyant staff cures, Musa regen and mACC, Mpaca nukes, Raetic club cures, Raetic staff nukes, Daybreak luminohelix and nukes, Marin staff Anemohelix, Contemplator enfeebling.

A.Skirmish: Head, body(maybe), legs, feet.
Abjuration: Amalric nukes & myrkr, Kaykaus cures.
SU3: body & legs are FC pieces that aren't required but may save an inventory space or 3.
Gaol: Nyame turtle, Agwu nuke.

Is agwu actually able to get r30 or is the BGwiki trolling? I see that most stuff shows the r20 aug but those sets show r30.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Avengers 2021-03-20 22:46:39
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Yea, forgot no to Geo too lol. My 2nd character is Whm/Bard/Geo, has a ghorn already, and working towards Idris atm. I thought about Rdm as well, friend of mine has a damn good RDM and does pretty well with it.

Can't really say for sure to the extent, but mostly back up healing and some nuke support. Don't really have any other black mages so no issue there.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2021-04-06 15:49:12
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Does any of the new gear fit in with MB helix?

What would a current endgame MB helix set look like? Thinking for like ongo v15. Assume r0 on new gear.
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By Chimerawizard 2021-04-06 16:34:15
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Fenrir.Kaldaek said: »
Does any of the new gear fit in with MB helix?

What would a current endgame MB helix set look like? Thinking for like ongo v15. Assume r0 on new gear.
I tried getting the old magic damage thing to work. put in a bit of new gear. couldn't seem to get amalric +1 set bonus to register for some reason.
No idea what t6 & ra3 formulas are to add even if I wanted to.
think I put in MAB & MB of a master sch in some spots in data.

think you may need to make a copy to edit anything.
hope it helps.
google sheets
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By Hades.Dade 2021-04-06 16:38:27
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Fenrir.Kaldaek said: »
Does any of the new gear fit in with MB helix?

What would a current endgame MB helix set look like? Thinking for like ongo v15. Assume r0 on new gear.

This is set i plan on taking in:

ItemSet 379183
pants aug is like 15macc/30mab/10mbb. Rod is r5

Haven't taken it in to test yet on v15, body is auged to rank6ish from r5/10 kill and failed attempt with different comp when i was on rune.
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By SimonSes 2021-04-07 03:30:56
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Chimerawizard said: »
Is agwu actually able to get r30 or is the BGwiki trolling? I see that most stuff shows the r20 aug but those sets show r30.

bgwiki was updated with data mined R30 first, then when we realized R30 is not actually in game, it was reduced to R20 on most set on bgwiki. I guess someone forgot to do it for Agwu.

EDIT: Its R20 on bgwiki now tho.
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By SimonSes 2021-04-07 03:35:41
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Hades.Dade said: »
Fenrir.Kaldaek said: »
Does any of the new gear fit in with MB helix?

What would a current endgame MB helix set look like? Thinking for like ongo v15. Assume r0 on new gear.

This is set i plan on taking in:

ItemSet 379183
pants aug is like 15macc/30mab/10mbb. Rod is r5

Haven't taken it in to test yet on v15, body is auged to rank6ish from r5/10 kill and failed attempt with different comp when i was on rune.

Legs should be Agwu too. Maybe not R0, but at some rank they starting to be better. You might lack 1% Magic burst Bonus, but higher INT/MAB/MDMG is simply better.

EDIT: Unless ofc you have like +40mab, +10INT, +10MBB augment then maybe its not worth to get Agwu because you would need to then R20 them to almost break even.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2021-04-07 11:18:09
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Good Afternoon!

Revisiting my Occult Acumen set on Scholar.

ItemSet 379193

-merlinic pieces are +11 occult acumen
-back has +10stp

thunder5+blizzard3 (1073tp) = 377mp (cost) and 604mp return (myrkr)
thunder5+thunder3 (1105tp) = 397mp (cost) and 623mp return (myrkr)

thunder5+crooked11sam (1480tp) = 301mp (cost) and 760mp return (myrkr)

My ask is suggestions on set improvements. Im trying to not add Bloodrain Strap + lissome torque because its 10stp total and a cost of 2 inventory slots. But I want to make sure I'm not missing any other "out of box" ideas. All other accessories in my drobes are warranted on other jobs.
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By Chimerawizard 2021-04-07 12:18:26
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are you hoping to reduce inventory on the set or to get greater TP returns?

greater MP>TP return would be swap body for seidr cotehardie to reduce effective MP cost for the TP and grip for Khonsu so your low mAcc set doesn't suffer to even greater resists. (same for BLM but w/ AF+3)

no SAM roll? Nyame (a20) hands+feet should provide more TP. Would definitely not take that path for this alone but if your other jobs see more benefit from that path, it's an extra inv+2. the belt could also be swapped for a sTP+5 belt you probably already own for another inv+1.
with sam roll, they're a bit worse, but probably not going to be the make or break factor.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2021-04-07 12:42:57
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Chimerawizard said: »
are you hoping to reduce inventory on the set or to get greater TP returns?

greater MP>TP return would be swap body for seidr cotehardie to reduce effective MP cost for the TP and grip for Khonsu so your low mAcc set doesn't suffer to even greater resists. (same for BLM but w/ AF+3)

no SAM roll? Nyame (a20) hands+feet should provide more TP. Would definitely not take that path for this alone but if your other jobs see more benefit from that path, it's an extra inv+2. the belt could also be swapped for a sTP+5 belt you probably already own for another inv+1.
with sam roll, they're a bit worse, but probably not going to be the make or break factor.

just looking for options with no subjob in odyssey for either MP or 3k shellcrusher/shattersoul things.

It also seems we can cap FC without main/sub.. which is nice. Volte Brais would be an improvement. Other thoughts??

This set doesn't account for the 10% arts reduction... and i'd like alittle more haste.

ItemSet 364079

81% fastcast
21% haste
8% quickcast
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By Chimerawizard 2021-04-07 13:16:33
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I see: arts+25, quickcast+8, fastcast+56.
I'd like to know if you're finishing your cast @20% or 33~34%.

edit:
To answer your original question, not without sacrificing haste or quick cast.
If you can live without QC, it's easier to cap FC and haste.
FC+5 belt, FC+2 ring, Haste+2 ammo, haste+4 grip OR
haste+5~6 belt, FC+2 ring, FC+2 ammo.

if you can live without haste, pinga+1 body & pants exist.

then there's your neck. it's not much improvement, but there's a FC+5 neck.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2021-04-07 13:28:44
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20-ish... its hard to exact the bar but 20-21% i would say.

edit: 20ish with the spell relative to the arts activated.
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