W.Legs

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LOL thats hate contwhaaaa? you saying i shouldnt do ele seal tornado 2 with my enmity + blm at the beginning of the fight? im not following you here row.....i need moar damage lmao.....yes im pretty sure thats why i dont go on blm anymore

PLD doesn't need W Legs to kite anything. It's really easy without.

RDM needs W Legs to do a lot of solos, and it makes existing ones much easier.

W.abj legs arnt needed 2 Kite Kirin, So i dnt see why pld needs jst for that,
even thow still there shldnt be any job priorty on W.abj Legs other than Drk i can't see any job that wouldnt benfite any less than another job,

... I don't know how to reply to this... really. I don't... because w legs are a must have for PLDs when kiting a lot of the jailers or NMs in sea.

Jailer of Faith, Jailer of Fortitude, Ix'DRK, Jailer of Temperance are NMs that if you don't have w legs, you're just going to get your face stomped in. And with Jailer of Faith's spamming of slowga and breakga, it is nice being able to outrun his cast time to get 30' away to avoid the spells.

Then if you're low-manning Despot, if grav wears and then gets resisted, it's nice having that. Same with low-manning Ulli. And then kiting Mother Globe... So I'm confused now... How are w legs not needed for PLD?

LV 73 RDM PLD DRK RNG DRG BLU COR

RDM - Solo; don't get these for RDM over a soloist RDM; it's stupid.
PLD - Kiting obviously
DRK - Towngear
RNG - Movement speed though can also get Strider's/Trotter's/Skadi
DRG - Towngear
BLU - Towngear... maybe some solos?
COR - Movement speed though can also get Hermes' Sandals/Skadi

I'm having a hell of a time getting Crimson Cuisses cause people want them for town gear <_>

JoFaith stops to cast often so he's easy enough to outrun.

JoFortitude is challenging either way, better to have a RDM kite him.

Ix'DRK stops to cast crappy spells.

JoT is a ***, W Legs or not you're gonna get caught up with if you're trying to hold any hate - this fight is more to do with the quality of your cotank.

Take Despot to the pond, lowman should involve mainly mages anyway. Can kite there easily.

Mother Globe is best done by a RDM.

Uh huh... RDM doing better than PLD on MG? No.

Bind, quicker Utsusemis, more MDB if you get by magic, Gravity, better damage reduction gear for kiting (since you don't want to be standing facing it to shield block, do you?), better hate tools for kited fights... etc.

ok you can go back to your rdm can solo everything corner and play with yourself, for everyne who actually does stuff in parties where hate control is a must....i think we will give to pld's first

Ever tried RDM tanking? I think you'd be impressed. I have both RDM and PLD75, and RDM dominates PLD on anything you can't Atonement spam.

Yeah letting solo Rdms have it first is like ughh...how does that benefit everyone else? Might as well apply normal rules for it. At least giving it to Plds first (main Plds that is) will make the endgame runs much smoother. Sure it may not be 'needed' but it sure as hell makes it easier, meaning more W.legs, meaning everyone is happy.

no no we understand every server has teh rdm with a ega hard n for rdm and its ok we undrstand your narrowminded

You're talking about soloing also. And gravity will eventually get resisted and so will bind. What are you going to do when that happens? And a PLD with the iron ram gear and a lot of other MDB gear can match that of a RDM and RDMs don't have better damage reduction gear either. PLDs can have the same as well. And PLDs have better hate tools for kiting? Where are you getting your PLD intel from? 2004? Sentinel, Rampart, Flash, Invincible, cures, etc... And a PLD with homam, haste, and Victory March can hit the 50% recast on spells... so Ni, flash, and ichi are being recasted pretty fast. =\

Using your logic above;

Both PLD and RDMs are tanks. If your shell doesn't use RDM to tank, invite them to 2009. 2008 even really.

So right now, 1 point to each. However, RDM can solo. PLD cannot.

2 points to RDM, 1 point to PLD.

Or we can stop *** QQing and agree they just go to whoever has the most points and can wear them. I don't care what job you are, if I'm a DRK and have 50+ points more than you, and we get 2-4 points per run, and you get them first? I'm spike flailing MoFos. If you put the time for them, you should be able to get them. Job priority fails.

At most, set a priority limit. Such as A DRK has to have 30 MORE points than a PLD or RDM to sole lot it.

I think you're just doing PLD wrong then. Sorry. =(

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what a debate this has turned into <.>

Paladin's methods of generating hate in a kited fight are:

JAs - spiked but every few minutes
Flash - spiked but infrequentish
Curecheat - too slow to use kiting generally
Some use Ichi ninjutsu - too slow to use kiting generally

RDM's methods of generating hate are:

Dispel - Fastish
Blind - Very fast
Sleep II - Fast
Sleep - Fast

RDM is better at gradual hate, PLD is better at spiked hate. Therefore, it is important that the PLD's spiked hate IS spiked. If you want to match RDM damage reduction, you need to use a Terra's Staff which results in less hate (or you can give up Chivalry -- you will get enough TP for it in a long drawn out fight if it's rough ;x).

Magic Defence you can't touch on RDM; RDM can wear Coral and sets like Morrigan's/Errant to reduce INT-based magic damage.

you must not know what pld/dnc with a high def build and a joytoy

... Huh?

Tell me what PLD/DNC can solo which is worthwhile and critically why it needs W Legs to do so?

RDMs have been tanking for ages now; it's much better on mobs you can't engage. If you can engage, PLD atonement spam > all.

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I'm sure the guy without the job leveld and will never level it can get the item.

Physical dmg gear that PLDs could wear + Terra's + Jelly. Then for MDB you can equip coral and Iron ram... o.O And with a proper +enmity set up, a PLD will have hate and be able to control hate with his "lesser" abilities to a RDM.