Blue Mage In Neo Nyzul

I have been reading around and have gotten a few different takes on how BLU should be utilized in Neo Nyzul. I know Draylo/Pro (and I'm sure others) have done a ton of Nyzul on BLU and have done it successfully so I am curious to hear your thoughts.

Many are skeptical to have a BLU for this event cause lolHeavy DD onry so I'd like to prove these people wrong :)

Sub Jobs:
I've seen some (most) say /WAR for all out damage capabilities.

Then I've seen a few say /RDM for convert if there are MP issues towards the end of the run.

What is your experience with this? I was thinking how my MP pool would hold up for the 30minutes but I have a pretty solid refresh set for when we will be running around and not actually fighting anything. (Battery Charge + gear + refresh trait gets me 8mp/tic..just need refresh subligar)

If the WAR JAs/traits are much much more preferable, then I'll be going that route.

Spells:
Pretty much All Out DD spell set from the sticky on the forums. Perhaps add Goblin Rush for good blunt dmg? (also found in my readings that gob rush/blunt dmg in general is very good in there).

Is a sleep spell absolutely necessary?

Frightful roar for def down worth setting?



Strategy:
I guess this is really my biggest question/concern. Do you play it defensively? Cast often and go all out? Let your swords do most of the talking because of Embrava? Good balance of both?

Do you stick with the low mp cost:dmg ratio spells like Heavy Strike and Delta? Or is it more beneficial to throw out your Quad Continuums Goblin Rushes and Amorphics as often as possible?

Winds Of Promy/Sudden Lunge/Other Utility spells as needed obviously.



As always, thanks for the input ^^

They're skeptical to bring BLUs to nyzul because they don't know what the ***.

Sub Job: WAR. Don't deviate.

Spells, I think this is what I used:

Quad. Continuum
Delta Thrust
Heavy Strike
Benthic Typhoon
Whirl of Rage
Barbed Crescent
Sudden Lunge

Animating Wail
Battery Charge
Magic Fruit
MP Drainkiss
Sheep Song
Winds of Promyvion

Empty Thrash
Acrid Stream
Demoralizing Roar
Fantod
Blazing Bound
Mortal Ray



Should be 60/60, idk, I didn't count. General purpose damage traits and spells, use Empty Thrash/Benthic/Whirl of Rage to burn down multiple mobs at once and use Benthic for DEF down if it's necessary, saving Bilgestorm for 80 or 100 boss depending on time etc.. Can swap out Sheep Song but meh, the sleep can be handy if one of your other DDs ends up aggroing the whole zone, saving them from death will save the run.




Strategy: Kick ***. Balance between your swords and spells, Nyzul is great for BLU in that you can actually utilize blue magic to great effect.

Kill multiple things whenever possible and utilize damage types from spells/requiescat as much possible. You'll never be close to in danger of dying if you're doing it right, and you can throw out some clutch fruits if necessary. MP should be managed appropriately, higher cost spells being used more sparingly unless you have plenty of mobs around to Aspir from. I usually go balls to the walls on Aquan floors, for example, but stick to low MP cost spells on undead floors.

Thanks Pro. Basically just what I was looking for.

For mobs that take a while to die, Requiescat > Quad SC does a lot of damage. That is, if you got to the mob first and can get a SC off. I use that for NMs or Enemy Leader usually. Or CDC > Amorphic Spikes if I have it set.

I'll probably sneak A.Spikes into my spell set.

Having done a ton of NNI now on BLU, Proth is on the right on the money. BLU's are invaluable in NNI not for pure damage but for their ability to deal many different kinds of damage and to output large bursts of damage on demand. Your self sufficient being able to heal yourself / others, sleep multiple adds, deal physical, magical and non-elemental damage. Most of the mobs are trash EP-DC which are the area's that BLU's excel in crushing.

I usually go with

BLU/WAR

DWIII
TA
MAB (Dream Flower + 1 pt)
Store TP I (Sudden Lunge + 1pt)
Auto Refresh (WoP + Actinic Burst)

Damage Spells are,
QC (for big things with CA only)
A.Spikes (Self SC with CDC)
Heavy Strike
Delta Thrust
Empty Thrash

Full Load out is

DW III

• Ani Wail
  Quad Continum
  Barbed Crescent
  Delta Thrust
  Mortal Ray
  Blazing Bound

Auto Refresh

• Actinic Burst
  Winds of Promy.
  

MAB I

• Dream Flower
  Sound Blast

Store TP I

• Sudden Lunge
  Fantod

TA

• Empty Thrash
  Heavy Strike
  Acrid Stream
  Demoralizing Roar

Single Utility Spells
Battery Charge
Magic Fruit
Amorphic Spikes

Can easily swap in extra spells if you don't want MAB / STP I (honestly store TP is just there cause I was at 59/60). MAB for a boost to Sang Blade's damage + HP restoral, though doubting whether it's worth it or not.

Never take a blu to nyzul isle they are the worst

I'd rather take a scrub SAM/DRK/WAR than a scrub BLU, yeah. Someone who plays BLU well can do real good in nyzul however. Unfortunately, theres not many who can play the job up to that level.

what is that picture of a real life blu? LOL

i bet he dies too

Nah, the broken sword is a Ragnarok

Must be a picture of Kinetics, the lack of windbuffet/mala is clearly visible.

....right.


Anyways...using the advice of Pro and Saevel I did my first NNI with my group last night and was more than content with my output. I have no doubt that I can pull my weight in there and help us get wins.

Let me put it in a different light. I have a 99 Rag and full TP / Res WS sets on both WAR and DRK. Having initially run with

Team 1
RAG DRK (me)
RAG DRK
Team 2
DRG (nothing special)
Ukkon WAR
SCH
SCH

Damage output never was an issue. Running around, annoying adds, and funky damage types (PDT Flan / Mouse / ect..) were the only show stoppers. Me changing to Almace BLU, an obvious step down in total damage output actually enhanced our group by providing much needed versatility / utility. Now I run around with our other Rag wielding and act as an emergency healer (should things need it) while our SCH runs behind the other team.

So much this. I've only done my first set of runs and I've already seen situations where if I wasn't there on BLU it would have hurt the run rather than make it better.

I disagree.

Shouldn't you be off playing your fail FFXIV?

I'll chime in, I've won Neo Nyzul a few times using 2 blus a drk and a war, don't need all the heavy DDs.
So, yeah it is a pretty good choice~ Best of luck

Hey we're in accordance for once/hi-five

BLU is honestly an extremely heavy DD even on high-end content, if spell damage is anything to judge by. I hope people see the light and invite my steadily-improving BLU to some NNI fun sometime. :x

Spell damage goes to ***on high end content cuz blue attack sucks and can't be raised.

Hm, maybe I'm not paying attention to other BLUs then. Oh well. <_<

Most seem to have attack bonuses attached, though, which is one reason DCish mobs get torn the eff up.

Heavy Strike (when it doesn't miss because of the accuracy penalty) is one of the best damage to MP spells we have. 1.5k on DC dyna mobs, easy 3k in abyssea, haven't had a chance to try DDing in VW yet since I'm usually in the back proccing :/

What's the average level of the mobs in NNI? I assume they're around DC level.

Most of the stuff you are killing in NNI is getting torn to shreds by BLU spells.

Pretty sure 1-2k Heavy Strikes/Delta Thrusts/Quad Continuums/A.Spikes + CDCs + White dmg is holding up with the "heavy DDs."

BLU can drop a ton of damage in a heartbeat on NMs as well if you CDC -> CA Efflux A.Spikes for Darkness. CDC average 1.5-2k lets say, A.Spikes with CA Efflux will do 2k easily if not more, plus the damage from darkness SC. NM not dead? Heavy Strike and Quad Cont.

We had Enemy Leader on a floor last night - me and the SCH got to it first - Psycheflayer NM. Killed it before the others could even engage.


I was quietly pessimistic about my BLU going in before our first batch of runs but it is no doubt do-able if you have a good WS set and a good Physical Spell set.

Yeah, but I was specifically responding to his comment about spell damage versus high-end content.

Mobs in NNI aren't high end content.

I was just making a general statement more than responding to your comment xD

But yes you're right, BLU spells do less and less dmg the higher lvl the mobs are unfortunately.

BLU's destroy anything T or less. VT and above is where their defense and LCF start to cripple BLU spells unless your using CA / Efflux or SA (lol). Having multiple physical spell sets helps some, though ultimately there is only so much you can do about the low Blue Attack.

Could just be me and feel free to correct if my logic is faulty but I never stack CA and Efflux for something the boost of the two ja's on one spell never matched the boost of one of ja on the same spell twice.


A problem I have is knowing when I'm casting too much and cutting into my tp feed for CDC/aftermath vs not casting enough to speed up the kill. Like on fodder mobs and such I'm thinking it's best to line them all up and hit with conal/aoe and keep myself engaged on auto-attack. But lining them all up can take time and they like to move after trying to line yourself up automatically so you're basically wasting Embrava ticks and time and it could be faster doing it one on one them going to the next one.

(Or I could be overthinking as usual.)


Any blu specific tips for the floor bosses? it seems like clutch onto fanatics or fools and just zerg it down but when you don't have it you can't stun the Gulool Ja Ja nm and some of them have some annoying aoes.

Main reason, as far as I'm concerned, as to why you should stack CA and EF is because not only will the spell do a whole ton more dmg, but the skillchain dmg will be that much higher as well.

CDC and then let's assume...

CA A.Spikes does 1400, Darkness for (approx because its usually right around 100% mirror) 1400.

If you did CA + Efflux A.Spikes your A.Spikes should do a whole lot more than if you did not. A.Spikes for 2.5k-3k. Darkness for 2.5-3k. by stacking them you increase the dmg on the spell and the skillchain dmg.

I always stack the two >.< Hopefully I haven't been doing it wrong this whole time...


For the fodder mobs, a CA Whirl of Rage did a nice chunk to the mobs I rounded up. I didn't bother trying to line up for Conal - just focused on dropping CDC and keeping aftermath up as much as I could.

We ran into the Troll (no pun intended) boss on floor 80. I need to get more runs in to get a better idea of what is more efficient but basically cast all your high dmg spells on bosses right away and then TP/CDC while waiting on recast.

Self SC-ing a boss floor seemed impossible with 2 SAMs and a DRK constantly WSing so I didn't bother with that.