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By Jetackuu 2012-06-23 14:17:42
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Siren.Demetreos said: »
Probably just my definition of a direct-download then. I see that as being more of an update; And a DD as downloading the installers for the files.

It's how they did the last "expansions" and both are theoretically possible, but I would find the former making more sense, the only reason I could see the latter is by making the update store in the extra space and not have to start from scratch if interrupted.

(could you imagine downloading that on sat or cell with the high latency creating interruptions, or on dial-up?

Ramuh.Laffter said: »
Cuz the menus and buttons are images.

I figured that, was kind of stating the obvious.

@Leo, did you just say that you can play XI on the 360 with a copied disc? (using a hacked system or drive)? if not disregard.
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-23 14:20:02
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Quote issues >_>

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The post about xbox and ps2 piracy.

Anyway.

Thousands of people are caught every year that commit 360 piracy. Or at least until like the last year or so. I got out of it around then, but I heard they haven't done any banning waves lately.

Modchips aren't the only way to mod a PS2.

It's pretty much impossible to get caught pirating if you aren't careless.

@Kawar, I can't read Japanese, you'll have to find somebody who can.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2012-06-23 14:20:59
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Thousands of people are caught every year commit 360 piracy.

Hundreds of thousands are laughing their *** out at XBL, some even using hardware such as ODD Emulators not having even any need to burn a disc. Talk about greedy pirates.

Siren.Demetreos said: »
Modchips aren't the only way to mod a PS2.

Being involved with that stuff I know exactly what you mean and even how the hacks work.

Still there's no public way of modding anything in FFXI. The people with knowledge to do so have been refraining from doing anything harsh/disruptive with the game.
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By Sylph.Kawar 2012-06-23 14:23:43
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Jetackuu said: »
Siren.Demetreos said: »
Quote issues >_>

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The post about xbox and ps2 piracy.

Anyway.

Thousands of people are caught every year that commit 360 piracy. Or at least until like the last year or so. I got out of it around then, but I heard they haven't done any banning waves lately.

Modchips aren't the only way to mod a PS2.

It's pretty much impossible to get caught pirating if you aren't careless.

@Kawar, I can't read Japanese, you'll have to find somebody who can.
i found it it is one of the blue tabs on that site u linked me 2 it says that it can be played on ps2 so what did they do to japans systems that they did not to the us ones.
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By Siren.Demetreos 2012-06-23 14:25:39
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Jetackuu said: »
It's pretty much impossible to get caught pirating if you aren't careless.

@Kawar, I can't read Japanese, you'll have to find somebody who can.
M$ haven't done anything in the last two years to pirates.

In the previous 4, or however long the 360 has been out, due to the lack of knowledge about how they detected modded consoles/backups most people got caught (People believing playing without the ethernet cable in helped for example.), and banned in oct/nov when M$ did their yearly banning wave.

The system was beatable if you where very careful, but more often than not each year a massive chunk of pirates where console banned.

When AP25 was introduced properly in 2010 a massive amount of people got screwed.

Since then it's almost like M$ doesn't actually care anymore and you can pirate whatever you like.
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-23 14:25:55
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nothing really (of importance)
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By Phoenix.Zumi 2012-06-23 14:26:00
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POL on PS2 has the ability to create new rom folders like it did for the 3 mini story addons. Having a download through PS2 is probably what will happen.
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-23 14:29:56
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Jetackuu said: »
It's pretty much impossible to get caught pirating if you aren't careless.

@Kawar, I can't read Japanese, you'll have to find somebody who can.
M$ haven't done anything in the last two years to pirates.

In the previous 4, or however long the 360 has been out, due to the lack of knowledge about how they detected modded consoles/backups most people got caught (People believing playing without the ethernet cable in helped for example.), and banned in oct/nov when M$ did their yearly banning wave.

The system was beatable if you where very careful, but more often than not each year a massive chunk of pirates where console banned.

When AP25 was introduced properly in 2010 a massive amount of people got screwed.

Since then it's almost like M$ doesn't actually care anymore and you can pirate whatever you like.


anyone who took their hacked console online was an idiot, or ones who failed to disable the disc software updates.

Drive hacked, while playing a game that isn't out yet, is lulzy too (although if they get achievements before the games out, they might catch that.)

I would never take a rgh or jtag system online, nor would I ever put a disc in a console I take online before it's release date, it's kind of just asking for it...


that being said, I really need to get this stack of consoles working so I can rgh 2 of them :D
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2012-06-23 14:30:44
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When AP25 was introduced properly in 2010 a massive amount of people got screwed.

Since then it's almost like M$ doesn't actually care anymore and you can pirate whatever you like.

Google for XGD3, which is the new disk type they introduced with Gears of War 3, which occupy all the writable surface of a disc with game data. The sole purpose of that scheme was leave the medium without space for saving the authentication replay attack data (security sector or SS.BIN). The hackers answer ?

They picked a Lite-ON 20 bucks DVD drive recorder (iHAS series), modified the firmware for overburning and put the data there, out of reach of non modified drives. It only took them three months to defeat a protection scheme Microsoft had been developing for at least two years. What a lul, huh ?
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-23 14:31:24
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Fenrir.Mariane said: »
The decision of making a expansion downloadable or disc based is simply a business model choice. Releasing it as a DISC for consoles creates some alienation (DRM BASED copy control) which generates profit for both the publisher (Square Enix) and the platform owner (Microsoft or SONY) and protects the product against counterfeiting.

We know people do copy XBOX360 discs and for most cases are never caught. On the PS2 it's a different case since the client is heavily encrypted and while modchips prevent the proper authentication of a legit disc, they also don't aid with the use of copies so only way of playing this game on a PS2 is having it all legitmate.

Now back to what I was saying, If they choose to release the expansion as a download for the PS2, they can, but it will probably involve some effort on their part for a differentiated deployment method which uses the POL Viewer client.

IF they have plans for such a solution it's possible that they are using the US PS2 players as guinea pigs for such scheme. Which would be something interesting to watch, btw...

I wonder if they really will go through the trouble of that.
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-23 14:33:33
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Fenrir.Mariane said: »
Siren.Demetreos said: »
When AP25 was introduced properly in 2010 a massive amount of people got screwed.

Since then it's almost like M$ doesn't actually care anymore and you can pirate whatever you like.

Google for XGD3, which is the new disk type they introduced with Gears of War 3, which occupy all the writable surface of a disc with game data. The sole purpose of that scheme was leave the medium without space for saving the authentication replay attack data (security sector or SS.BIN). The hackers answer ?

They picked a Lite-ON 20 bucks DVD drive recorder (iHAS series), modified the firmware for overburning and put the data there, out of reach of non modified drives. It only took them three months to defeat a protection scheme Microsoft had been developing for at least two years. What a lul, huh ?

you can't stop pirates or hackers, they'd be better off saving the money by not trying so hard, like the Wii :D
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By Siren.Demetreos 2012-06-23 14:38:28
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anyone who took their hacked console online was an idiot, or ones who failed to disable the disc software updates.

Drive hacked, while playing a game that isn't out yet, is lulzy too (although if they get achievements before the games out, they might catch that.)

I would never take a rgh or jtag system online, nor would I ever put a disc in a console I take online before it's release date, it's kind of just asking for it...


that being said, I really need to get this stack of consoles working so I can rgh 2 of them :D
Disabling the software updates got you banned all the same, drive does random disc checks occasionally, data gets stored on the NAND and sent to M$ when you log in next. A disc that didn't match up 1:1 to the original flags up.

Playing a game before release isn't actually against any TOS or laws. I bought plenty of legit games before they came out. M$ stated a couple of times that if you play a game early it's fine as long as it's legit.

I never owned a JTAG, but yeah, taking those online is pure retardation. But a console with iXtreme or later LiteTouch was relatively safe. The CFW was provably undetectable (up to a point, M$ started doing FW checks on drives with updates towards the end.) But like I said with release date, it doesn't mean anything.

It isn't necessarily a smart idea though. A game needed to be a 1:1 identical copy to have any chance of beating the system, and it wasn't possible to verify this until the game was released and readily available retail copies where about. So if you got banned, it was because it was a bad copy, not because you played it before the release date.

I was fairly well known in the 360 modding scene for a couple of years in various places. Kind of wish I'd kept up with it, some interesting stuff started to happen around the time that I got out of it.
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By Siren.Demetreos 2012-06-23 14:40:44
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Jetackuu said: »
Google for XGD3, which is the new disk type they introduced with Gears of War 3, which occupy all the writable surface of a disc with game data. The sole purpose of that scheme was leave the medium without space for saving the authentication replay attack data (security sector or SS.BIN). The hackers answer ?

They picked a Lite-ON 20 bucks DVD drive recorder (iHAS series), modified the firmware for overburning and put the data there, out of reach of non modified drives. It only took them three months to defeat a protection scheme Microsoft had been developing for at least two years. What a lul, huh ?
I'm aware of that stuff. It's one of the reasons why I cba with it anymore. Couldn't be bothered picking up a new burner, lol. Don't really own a desktop anymore either, and burning through USB never really worked all that well for me.

Ninja edit.

My point was, M$ hasn't banned anyone, they just made it more annoying to actually pirate stuff.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2012-06-23 14:45:41
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MS is pretty much helpless now since the whole security scheme (bad block topology) was exposed. It's what "c4eva" called "silver bullet" as the hacked drive or ODD emulator has a database with angles for all fixed areas of the medium which contain intentionally unreadable sectors. These bad blocks do vary per title and per region on a basis defined by Microsoft itself.

This protection scheme even backfired on MS and it ended banning innocent people in 2011 lol. Drives are mechanical and do wear out. MS desperate with hackers having the upper hand tightened the control and went past the threshold that weds out hardware failures (dying drives or scratched discs) from actual illegal copies and ***hit the fan. lol
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-23 14:48:32
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Siren.Demetreos said: »
Jetackuu said: »
anyone who took their hacked console online was an idiot, or ones who failed to disable the disc software updates.

Drive hacked, while playing a game that isn't out yet, is lulzy too (although if they get achievements before the games out, they might catch that.)

I would never take a rgh or jtag system online, nor would I ever put a disc in a console I take online before it's release date, it's kind of just asking for it...


that being said, I really need to get this stack of consoles working so I can rgh 2 of them :D
Disabling the software updates got you banned all the same, drive does random disc checks occasionally, data gets stored on the NAND and sent to M$ when you log in next. A disc that didn't match up 1:1 to the original flags up.

Playing a game before release isn't actually against any TOS or laws. I bought plenty of legit games before they came out. M$ stated a couple of times that if you play a game early it's fine as long as it's legit.

I never owned a JTAG, but yeah, taking those online is pure retardation. But a console with iXtreme or later LiteTouch was relatively safe. The CFW was provably undetectable (up to a point, M$ started doing FW checks on drives with updates towards the end.) But like I said with release date, it doesn't mean anything.

It isn't necessarily a smart idea though. A game needed to be a 1:1 identical copy to have any chance of beating the system, and it wasn't possible to verify this until the game was released and readily available retail copies where about. So if you got banned, it was because it was a bad copy, not because you played it before the release date.

I was fairly well known in the 360 modding scene for a couple of years in various places. Kind of wish I'd kept up with it, some interesting stuff started to happen around the time that I got out of it.

it would require the system to be hacked to disable updates, nd I already stated it was dumb to take a hacked console online.

It's not against tos, but if you have a game before they release it, it's not going to be legit...

on another note: if one swaps the drives of 2 360's, and does the necessary firmware tweaks, is it detectable? my friend has 2 360's with bad drives and I have 2 extra, and the boards aren't of the same type.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2012-06-23 14:50:44
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Jetackuu said: »
on another note: if one swaps the drives of 2 360's, and does the necessary firmware tweaks, is it detectable? my friend has 2 360's with bad drives and I have 2 extra, and the boards aren't of the same type.

The system uses encryption to obfuscate whatever is being transmitted through the SATA channel so a drive from one system will not work on another as the obfuscation keys are unique per console unit.

Edit: I am not saying it's impossible to swap drives, I just did not say what you need to do to be able to swap them and have them work with discs.
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By Siren.Demetreos 2012-06-23 14:52:15
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Jetackuu said: »
It's not against tos, but if you have a game before they release it, it's not going to be legit...

on another note: if one swaps the drives of 2 360's, and does the necessary firmware tweaks, is it detectable? my friend has 2 360's with bad drives and I have 2 extra, and the boards aren't of the same type.
Not true, really. I've got a couple of friends who work in game shops. I've got a bunch of stuff up to a few weeks early from them before.

EDIT

See below.
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By Siren.Demetreos 2012-06-23 14:54:08
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EDIT

Did some research, it's apparently no longer safe, or even work with LT+. So ignore me.

I really have been out of it for too long :/ lol.
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By Shiva.Garlend 2012-06-23 14:54:56
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How did this change from a topic of PS2 stuff to an xbox 360 mod thread? I love how easily the internet gets distracted. lol
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2012-06-23 14:56:21
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Siren.Demetreos said: »
I've got an old Samsung drive console with a BenQ in it for example.

Such a combo will prevent the console from updating properly and might even result on a bricked dashboard with the new update format.

MS now is really trying to brick consoles with tampered drives. Be careful.

Shiva.Garlend said: »
How did this change from a topic of PS2 stuff to an xbox 360 mod thread? I love how easily the internet gets distracted. lol

Circumventing technology and even just understanding the underlying logic, developer views and goals are sure something fascinating ... lol

So it's easy to derail a thread when a subject is interesting. Sorry 'bout that.
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By Siren.Demetreos 2012-06-23 14:57:29
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Fenrir.Mariane said: »
Siren.Demetreos said: »
I've got an old Samsung drive console with a BenQ in it for example.

Such a combo will prevent the console from updating properly and might even result on a bricked dashboard with the new update format.

MS now is really trying to brick consoles with tampered drives. Be careful.
Yeah, just read up on it haha.

Don't actually use said console anymore (or any 360 for that matter) it just idles on the shelf above my desk :3
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-23 15:03:10
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Jetackuu said: »
on another note: if one swaps the drives of 2 360's, and does the necessary firmware tweaks, is it detectable? my friend has 2 360's with bad drives and I have 2 extra, and the boards aren't of the same type.

The system uses encryption to obfuscate whatever is being transmitted through the SATA channel so a drive from one system will not work on another as the obfuscation keys are unique per console unit.

Edit: I am not saying it's impossible to swap drives, I just did not say what you need to do to be able to swap them and have them work with discs.

Oh I know I can't just swap them, I need to play with the firmware, my friend gave me the tools to do so I just don't have a PC here with a sata port to do so, well not one that's mine.



Ah so I can't just swap the benq drives into the consoles and expect them to update properly, I guess I'll have to reserve that for the system I RGH, what if they're the same brand drives, will it still brick it? (not sure what his elite has in it).
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2012-06-23 15:10:20
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While on SONY consoles (I mean all of them including the PS2) you need a service JIG to properly adjust the laser (and save the settings/make them permanent into the drive eeprom memory). Amateur repairs just replace the laser assembly and play with mechanical adjusts, but on XBOX/XBOX360 consoles there's no such adjusts.

Just replace the board which has the firmware tied to the console, put it on the drive that is working. Requires some soldering but you can do it without flashing anything.
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-23 15:15:55
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Didn't realize you needed to go through that much trouble on the ps2 lens, and I was trying to avoid soldering those points, as the benq drive is very different than that other one (I forget which ones went bad).

But tbh 2 of the drives that are "bad" aren't having read issues, the one the drive keeps opening on it's own, and I don't see any mechanical issue, so it's probably electrical.

The other it's probably a mechanical issue as the drive needs to be fiddled with to open, but I killed the board that one came out of anyway... (failed jtag)

It would be much easier if I could just get the damn cold solder joints fixed, be less hassle...
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2012-06-23 15:24:29
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No, I meant if you have two drives of same kind. Please no, don't run a XBOX360 with a drive different than the one it came with. It's asking to have trouble. ;)
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-23 15:31:56
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hmm, looks like I may need to find some drives then.
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By Odin.Dirac 2012-06-23 17:17:31
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I fired up my PS2 just this week and attached it to one of the best SD digitizer boxes available (DPS475), using the component cable. You can see the results below:

(be sure to select the 720p quality).
Is there something wrong with my PS2? It's just plain terrible!
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2012-06-23 17:36:26
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Is there something wrong with my PS2? It's just plain terrible!

Yes. the problem is called "crowded Jeuno".... lol
The PS2 had smooth animations/framerate until CoP released ... in 2005 lol
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By Asura.Natenn 2012-06-23 18:18:27
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PS2 HDD went from 10.2 GB to 19 GB last update, and still has 6 gb open, i doubt its the end of PS2.
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By Odin.Dirac 2012-06-23 18:28:50
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I heard somewhere that the PS2 will display all characters nearby, whereas the PC is limited to 50. On a modern PC, the framerate stays capped in the same situation as what is in the video. Maybe I'll do an experiment with a 2004-era PC -- I imagine that it will be much worse than the PS2.
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