PS2 Users
PS2 users
They ain't increasing the graphic demand it's just being rendered...
Garuda.Finuve said: »
...this thread makes me incredibly angry
If PS2 was dropped, easy things to change that WOULD NOT require much development time
RAM Limitations
Increased Inventory: bags could be jumped to 100+ items each with easy, this would alleviate the need for those dumbass porter moogles
Increased Job Abilities: Currently JAs are limited due to the concurrent recast timers FFXI(PS2) can handle. This is why you see so many abilities sharing timers now. The main thing is the amount of JAs DNC/SAM gets that causes it, but everything is balanced around this.
GPU Issues
Increased Animations
CPU Issues
Increased Concurrent PC Count, this would help with city lag greatly, as PS2s CPU cannot handle the amount of data traffic
and seriously? someone actually defending the fact that PS2 ram is comparable to pc3200? pc3200!! that is incredibly slow RAM, and I don't care if it was fast for its time, its not its time anymore
Sincerely, a software engineer
If PS2 was dropped, easy things to change that WOULD NOT require much development time
RAM Limitations
Increased Inventory: bags could be jumped to 100+ items each with easy, this would alleviate the need for those dumbass porter moogles
Increased Job Abilities: Currently JAs are limited due to the concurrent recast timers FFXI(PS2) can handle. This is why you see so many abilities sharing timers now. The main thing is the amount of JAs DNC/SAM gets that causes it, but everything is balanced around this.
GPU Issues
Increased Animations
CPU Issues
Increased Concurrent PC Count, this would help with city lag greatly, as PS2s CPU cannot handle the amount of data traffic
and seriously? someone actually defending the fact that PS2 ram is comparable to pc3200? pc3200!! that is incredibly slow RAM, and I don't care if it was fast for its time, its not its time anymore
Sincerely, a software engineer
Actually they probably would as most of these issues are a Engine issue and not a PS2 hardware issue, you seem to lack the understanding that the game was compiled/designed/thought of for use on the PS2.
not really, especially when you consider the PS2 was released in 2000, that ram is very fast for it's time, now it's slow in comparison to other hardware, but you're comparing unlike things.
Siren.Novadragon said: »
O please I can play FFXIV on a GT220 >.>
Again, most people still build new PC's to play XIV, It's a good thing.
They're optimising the graphics to run better, not making it more demanding. It looks better from screenies we've seen due to the better use of environments and shaders.
They are not reducing the graphics, instead giving options to reduce the graphics. The game will play good on less modern machines and play great on modern machines. The graphics will look quite bit different regardless.
As for playing FF on PS2 vs Just on PC and watching videos as someone mentioned above. That's where having more then 1 monitor comes in :P
As for playing FF on PS2 vs Just on PC and watching videos as someone mentioned above. That's where having more then 1 monitor comes in :P
I think there are so few non-JP PS2 users that it's not worth it for them to publish. I mean really, if you're only going to print about.. 2,000 copies.. maybe less. And then distribute them to retailers. And the retailers are gambling if they're even going to sell it (probably just sits on the shelf and collects dust for unpopulated areas).
In Japan it isn't an issue, since you can still get the latest PS2 software in Tokyo even if it means a 2 hour trip on the train. Coupled with many, many more PS2 users.. Hell, they were still selling Dreamcast games in 2007. The country supports its own ***.
I don't think NA PS2 users are screwed, there will probably be a "download-only" option.
In Japan it isn't an issue, since you can still get the latest PS2 software in Tokyo even if it means a 2 hour trip on the train. Coupled with many, many more PS2 users.. Hell, they were still selling Dreamcast games in 2007. The country supports its own ***.
I don't think NA PS2 users are screwed, there will probably be a "download-only" option.
they can't publish the US ps2 discs anymore.
Jetackuu said: »
they can't publish the US ps2 discs anymore.
Ragnarok.Kongming said: »
Jetackuu said: »
they can't publish the US ps2 discs anymore.
Sony shut them down, I mean I'm sure a company such as SE could have them made somewhere else, but they would have to do so with Sony's support.
The PS2 is bigger in Japan than the US, their culture is different and they aren't as rushed to toss out things because they aren't the newest.
There's also the part of that even if they did press it, not many would buy it as the market isn't there, and half those who would probably would need to fix their lens.
The survey a few months ago as to what people played on, probably has something to do with this decision.
Edit: We will most likely still get it, as they didn't just increase the partition size for shits and giggles.
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Jetackuu said: »
Edit: We will most likely still get it, as they didn't just increase the partition size for shits and giggles.
This, since they probably had to shell out money to SONY to be able to allocate another 10GB and register the change on the DNAS server/service...
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NA PS2 games are being made, so I don't see why they couldn't.
Out of curiosity can they even provide a direct download to the PS2 for for an expansion... Mainly basing this question off them not doing it in the past with WotG, I think you could only get that for PS2 as the collection version.
Asura.Ina said: »
Out of curiosity can they even provide a direct download to the PS2 for for an expansion... Mainly basing this question off them not doing it in the past with WotG, I think you could only get that for PS2 as the collection version.
Asura.Ina said: »
Out of curiosity can they even provide a direct download to the PS2 for for an expansion... Mainly basing this question off them not doing it in the past with WotG, I think you could only get that for PS2 as the collection version.
yes, they can download anything they want and have it install, will take ages to download though.
Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Ina said: »
Out of curiosity can they even provide a direct download to the PS2 for for an expansion... Mainly basing this question off them not doing it in the past with WotG, I think you could only get that for PS2 as the collection version.
yes, they can download anything they want and have it install, will take ages to download though.
Fenrir.Mariane said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Edit: We will most likely still get it, as they didn't just increase the partition size for shits and giggles.
This, since they probably had to shell out money to SONY to be able to allocate another 10GB and register the change on the DNAS server/service...
but ya i do not understand how the ps2 users could even get it at this point please explain.
Siren.Demetreos said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Ina said: »
Out of curiosity can they even provide a direct download to the PS2 for for an expansion... Mainly basing this question off them not doing it in the past with WotG, I think you could only get that for PS2 as the collection version.
yes, they can download anything they want and have it install, will take ages to download though.
exactly like you said, also: there's probably another way, but it would require them to tinker with POL a bit, and I'm not sure if they would. (basically the increased partition size enables them to download a disc image and extract the data, if they so desired to go that route, which I doubt they will as they won't be able to use it again if the partition fills up beyond a certain point, and unless this expansion is freaking huge, and I mean huge, it's probably not the only one we'll see (success depending of course).
Sylph.Kawar said: »
Fenrir.Mariane said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Edit: We will most likely still get it, as they didn't just increase the partition size for shits and giggles.
This, since they probably had to shell out money to SONY to be able to allocate another 10GB and register the change on the DNAS server/service...
but ya i do not understand how the ps2 users could even get it at this point please explain.
please use English, and punctuation to separate your thoughts when forming a question, people may actually understand what you're saying then.
edit: how do you not understand how it could not get it? FFXI has released expansions (the two seperate sets of add-ons, even rehashed is a lot of data) without making a disc for several years, they have the room and the means to just download the thing.
Siren.Demetreos said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Ina said: »
Out of curiosity can they even provide a direct download to the PS2 for for an expansion... Mainly basing this question off them not doing it in the past with WotG, I think you could only get that for PS2 as the collection version.
yes, they can download anything they want and have it install, will take ages to download though.
It will probably be that. Or purchase the game online, register the expansion with the code it gives you then when you press 'Play' it initiates an update (like any other update) that downloads the whole game. Don't see why it's not possible.
Lakshmi.Raerie said: »
I heard the JP site said it would be on PS2.
Jetackuu said: »
Sylph.Kawar said: »
Fenrir.Mariane said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Edit: We will most likely still get it, as they didn't just increase the partition size for shits and giggles.
This, since they probably had to shell out money to SONY to be able to allocate another 10GB and register the change on the DNAS server/service...
but ya i do not understand how the ps2 users could even get it at this point please explain.
please use English, and punctuation to separate your thoughts when forming a question, people may actually understand what you're saying then.
edit: how do you not understand how it could not get it? FFXI has released expansions (the two seperate sets of add-ons, even rehashed is a lot of data) without making a disc for several years, they have the room and the means to just download the thing.
Sylph.Kawar said: »
Lakshmi.Raerie said: »
I heard the JP site said it would be on PS2.
http://www.playonline.com/
the link that says "Japan"
a google translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.playonline.com/home/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.playonline.com/home/index.shtml%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DlZr%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=XBTmT-3vMo6t0AGVzfj3CQ&ved=0CFkQ7gEwAA
which is incomplete as it isn't translating the menus...
Probably just my definition of a direct-download then. I see that as being more of an update; And a DD as downloading the installers for the files.
Jetackuu said: »
Sylph.Kawar said: »
Lakshmi.Raerie said: »
I heard the JP site said it would be on PS2.
http://www.playonline.com/
the link that says "Japan"
a google translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.playonline.com/home/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.playonline.com/home/index.shtml%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DlZr%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=XBTmT-3vMo6t0AGVzfj3CQ&ved=0CFkQ7gEwAA
which is incomplete as it isn't translating the menus...
The decision of making a expansion downloadable or disc based is simply a business model choice. Releasing it as a DISC for consoles creates some alienation (DRM BASED copy control) which generates profit for both the publisher (Square Enix) and the platform owner (Microsoft or SONY) and protects the product against counterfeiting.
We know people do copy XBOX360 discs and for most cases are never caught. On the PS2 it's a different case since the client is heavily encrypted and while modchips prevent the proper authentication of a legit disc, they also don't aid with the use of copies so only way of playing this game on a PS2 is having it all legitmate.
Now back to what I was saying, If they choose to release the expansion as a download for the PS2, they can, but it will probably involve some effort on their part for a differentiated deployment method which uses the POL Viewer client.
IF they have plans for such a solution it's possible that they are using the US PS2 players as guinea pigs for such scheme. Which would be something interesting to watch, btw...
We know people do copy XBOX360 discs and for most cases are never caught. On the PS2 it's a different case since the client is heavily encrypted and while modchips prevent the proper authentication of a legit disc, they also don't aid with the use of copies so only way of playing this game on a PS2 is having it all legitmate.
Now back to what I was saying, If they choose to release the expansion as a download for the PS2, they can, but it will probably involve some effort on their part for a differentiated deployment method which uses the POL Viewer client.
IF they have plans for such a solution it's possible that they are using the US PS2 players as guinea pigs for such scheme. Which would be something interesting to watch, btw...
Sylph.Kawar said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Sylph.Kawar said: »
Fenrir.Mariane said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Edit: We will most likely still get it, as they didn't just increase the partition size for shits and giggles.
This, since they probably had to shell out money to SONY to be able to allocate another 10GB and register the change on the DNAS server/service...
but ya i do not understand how the ps2 users could even get it at this point please explain.
please use English, and punctuation to separate your thoughts when forming a question, people may actually understand what you're saying then.
edit: how do you not understand how it could not get it? FFXI has released expansions (the two seperate sets of add-ons, even rehashed is a lot of data) without making a disc for several years, they have the room and the means to just download the thing.
You would have to ask SE why they didn't include it.
Like I said, try to form complete sentences, or at least better sentences and use punctuation and people might actually understand what you're talking about. It is very hard to read what you type, much less make sense of it. I'm not trying to be mean. The purpose of language is to communicate, and if there's a lack in communication then there's an issue with the use of the language.
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Quote issues >_>
Anyway.
Thousands of people are caught every year that commit 360 piracy. Or at least until like the last year or so. I got out of it around then, but I heard they haven't done any banning waves lately.
Modchips aren't the only way to mod a PS2.
Quote:
The post about xbox and ps2 piracy.
Anyway.
Thousands of people are caught every year that commit 360 piracy. Or at least until like the last year or so. I got out of it around then, but I heard they haven't done any banning waves lately.
Modchips aren't the only way to mod a PS2.
Jetackuu said: »
Sylph.Kawar said: »
Lakshmi.Raerie said: »
I heard the JP site said it would be on PS2.
http://www.playonline.com/
the link that says "Japan"
a google translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.playonline.com/home/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.playonline.com/home/index.shtml%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DlZr%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=XBTmT-3vMo6t0AGVzfj3CQ&ved=0CFkQ7gEwAA
which is incomplete as it isn't translating the menus...
Fenrir.Mariane said: »
The decision of making a expansion downloadable or disc based is simply a business model choice. Releasing it as a DISC for consoles creates some alienation (DRM BASED copy control) which generates profit for both the publisher (Square Enix) and the platform owner (Microsoft or SONY) and protects the product against counterfeiting.
We know people do copy XBOX360 discs and for most cases are never caught. On the PS2 it's a different case since the client is heavily encrypted and while modchips prevent the proper authentication of a legit disc, they also don't aid with the use of copies so only way of playing this game on a PS2 is having it all legitmate.
Now back to what I was saying, If they choose to release the expansion as a download for the PS2, they can, but it will probably involve some effort on their part for a differentiated deployment method which uses the POL Viewer client.
IF they have plans for such a solution it's possible that they are using the US PS2 players as guinea pigs for such scheme. Which would be something interesting to watch, btw...
We know people do copy XBOX360 discs and for most cases are never caught. On the PS2 it's a different case since the client is heavily encrypted and while modchips prevent the proper authentication of a legit disc, they also don't aid with the use of copies so only way of playing this game on a PS2 is having it all legitmate.
Now back to what I was saying, If they choose to release the expansion as a download for the PS2, they can, but it will probably involve some effort on their part for a differentiated deployment method which uses the POL Viewer client.
IF they have plans for such a solution it's possible that they are using the US PS2 players as guinea pigs for such scheme. Which would be something interesting to watch, btw...
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