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 Asura.Ina
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By Asura.Ina 2012-06-23 08:13:23
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Just once I'd like to come into a ps2 thread and see someone providing solid evidence for the ps2 being dropped rather then "OMG they forgot the logo" or "OMG an hiccup while downloading" or "OMG the the space is going up to 1/2 the HDD rather then 1/4".

Like can we just make a single PS2 thread and just use that one forever instead of a new one everytime someone at SE farts. I swear we had 4 of them in one week not long ago.
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By Zenaku14 2012-06-23 08:19:29
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Amy Blackburn said: »
Siren.Calnus said: »
XIV just kinda feels like a place you've been before after a remodel lol.

You are right about that. Gridania is like Windurst. Limsa is like Sandy. Uldah is like Bastok. Similar races also. I've always just told myself that there will be much more to come and it's kept me going I guess. One of the major things I enjoy about XIV is how they seamlessly combined something from nearly if not all every Final Fantasy game. Rememberable equipment from 4. Bosses from 3. Magicite Vanguards ect. The story line hasn't even been scratched at all yet! The story of the world being parted between us and the imperials is sure to bring about an epic story line, as it once has before. Completed all of the main story and all of the GC quests so far. You can just feel that whatever is coming next is sure to be amazing. The story line so far has me hooked. The amazing facial expressions, music and amazing graphics. Put all together... It's just great. One thing I really do wish though is they put in voice acting into 2.0 and beyond. I can understand them not doing it now before the make over. Maybe in the future. One can hope I guess.

I loved all of the story lines in XI also. Wish they would have never ended.

Ya they said they be more voice over in 2.0 i wonder if the main plot going to be all voice over or part of it :( i hope it be 100% voice over for at least the main plot of the game.
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By Latifah 2012-06-23 08:20:45
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ff14 towns looks very different than ffxi's for me.
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By Asura.Ina 2012-06-23 08:24:36
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Latifah said: »
ff14 towns looks very different than ffxi's for me.
The only similarity between the 3 nations in XI and XIV are that Ul'dah and bastok both mine, Gridania and Windurst both have trees and sandy and limsa have strict military code. Aside from that they are different.
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By lilsanchez 2012-06-23 08:28:24
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Asura.Ina said: »
Latifah said: »
ff14 towns looks very different than ffxi's for me.
The only similarity between the 3 nations in XI and XIV are that Ul'dah and bastok both mine, Gridania and Windurst both have trees and sandy and limsa have strict military code. Aside from that they are different.

Yea they are very different. Can't deny there are no similarities though. Maybe I just played XI to long. They kinda stick out like a sore thumb.
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By Latifah 2012-06-23 08:31:10
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But that's how SE works with final fantasy games.. all the games looks the same.

Squall, Cloud, Lightning.etc
quistis,lulu and auron .ect
selphie, riku and vanilla .etc

and this......
(the last remant)(ffxi hume)(vaan ff12)

they look like clones
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By Latifah 2012-06-23 08:33:48
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and of course
(ff8 squall)

noctis ff13 versus
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2012-06-23 08:34:33
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Off topic.. I really hate Vaan -.-
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By Lakshmi.Glaciont 2012-06-23 09:34:43
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Would it honestly be a bad thing or big issue though if PS2 players had to move to PC? I can see why they might get upset if they have to pay for a copy of PC-FFXI, but IF download is provided free to them then.. what's the huge deal?
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By lilsanchez 2012-06-23 09:40:31
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Lakshmi.Glaciont said: »
Would it honestly be a bad thing or big issue though if PS2 players had to move to PC? I can see why they might get upset if they have to pay for a copy of PC-FFXI, but IF download is provided free to them then.. what's the huge deal?

Most are saying that the major player base in Japan are PS2 users. I guess it would be too much of a hassle? I still would like to see the statistics on that personally but meh.

The games design was programmed originally for the PS2 hardware. Hard coded into the actual games programming are limitations that don't exceed PS2s specs so developers aren't willing to make software originally designed for the PS2 anything better then what it is now. Not cost efficient ect.
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By Asura.Ina 2012-06-23 09:44:55
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At this point people who play on ps2 do it because it is what is convienent not because it's a big deal... Given that this is a gaming forum it's hard for it to make sense to us but there are alot of people who keep their PCs as a work only thing or might be like me and too lazy to deal with alt tabing to lurk around the internet at the same time they are playing. I'm sure there are other reasons but I'm too lazy to think of them right now.

The real reason for any argument is that people like to scream that dropping the PS2 would solve all the problems with the game when in reality the limitations that come with the PS2 are hard coded into the game. So they would first have to drop the PS2, then rework the coding which is effort that if people still think they are going to bother putting in they are fooling themself.

Edit: because I'm sure someone will poke at this for me playing on PS2 I really wouldn't care if they dropped it.
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By Phoenix.Unicron 2012-06-23 09:51:50
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All this complaining about Ps2 for ffxi. The same arugment can be said about PC users... if graphics etc really matter to you, SE did make ff14 for you PC users. Why not give up all your hard work and go to ff14?
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By lilsanchez 2012-06-23 10:05:15
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Phoenix.Unicron said: »
All this complaining about Ps2 for ffxi. The same arugment can be said about PC users... if graphics etc really matter to you, SE did make ff14 for you PC users. Why not give up all your hard work and go to ff14?
Did earlier this month lol But I might come back to experience the next major update 2013. Quit because the game seemed pretty repetitive at that point. Everything completed, now work on a Empy/Relic! Not much else to do. With the new content, there should be so much more to experience.
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By Lakshmi.Kolvar 2012-06-23 10:09:16
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Ok, if I out a PS2 game into my PS3, it looks like a frackin PS2 game. If I put Diablo 1 into my PC, it looks like Diablo 1, not Skyrim. The base code of the game won't change. They will not recode the game for NA only and then run two seperate updates for NA and JP, it's not happening. They will redesign the game for NA and not JP, that is just stupid. Deal with it that within a week or two, they will fix their typo.
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By Lakshmi.Kolvar 2012-06-23 10:12:04
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Asura.Ina said: »
At this point people who play on ps2 do it because it is what is convienent not because it's a big deal... Given that this is a gaming forum it's hard for it to make sense to us but there are alot of people who keep their PCs as a work only thing or might be like me and too lazy to deal with alt tabing to lurk around the internet at the same time they are playing. I'm sure there are other reasons but I'm too lazy to think of them right now.

The real reason for any argument is that people like to scream that dropping the PS2 would solve all the problems with the game when in reality the limitations that come with the PS2 are hard coded into the game. So they would first have to drop the PS2, then rework the coding which is effort that if people still think they are going to bother putting in they are fooling themself.

Edit: because I'm sure someone will poke at this for me playing on PS2 I really wouldn't care if they dropped it.

I started on PS2, I still play on PS2. I like having my laptop free to watch movies or mess around on the internet while I do stuff, I wouldn't want to stop playing on my PS2.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2012-06-23 10:13:35
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Lakshmi.Kolvar said: »
Ok, if I out a PS2 game into my PS3, it looks like a frackin PS2 game. If I put Diablo 1 into my PC, it looks like Diablo 1, not Skyrim. The base code of the game won't change. They will not recode the game for NA only and then run two seperate updates for NA and JP, it's not happening. They will redesign the game for NA and not JP, that is just stupid. Deal with it that within a week or two, they will fix their typo.

Wrong. They're so lazy, the PS2 game has whole GERMAN and FRENCH text in it. PS2 POL FFXI installer has code to install EURO FFXI game even though it has no SLES code since it was never licenced for PAL regions. But all the code is there. Just dormant.

They develop separately per platform, not per region. And it's one "main platform" which have changes branched to the other "satelite" platforms.

Somewhere around 2007 the main platform changed from PS2 to PC, FYI. That's when the "PS2 NPC hang" problem started, btw.
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By Lakshmi.Inspectorgadget 2012-06-23 10:20:59
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Lakshmi.Kolvar said: »
Ok, if I out a PS2 game into my PS3, it looks like a frackin PS2 game. If I put Diablo 1 into my PC, it looks like Diablo 1, not Skyrim. The base code of the game won't change. They will not recode the game for NA only and then run two seperate updates for NA and JP, it's not happening. They will redesign the game for NA and not JP, that is just stupid. Deal with it that within a week or two, they will fix their typo.

PC users aren't stuck playing the game on grainy 640x480i graphics and get other graphical enhancements, albeit from 3rd party software, such as increased DrawDistance and increased MipMaps. The difference is night and day.
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By Garuda.Finuve 2012-06-23 10:24:40
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...this thread makes me incredibly angry

If PS2 was dropped, easy things to change that WOULD NOT require much development time

RAM Limitations
Increased Inventory: bags could be jumped to 100+ items each with easy, this would alleviate the need for those dumbass porter moogles

Increased Job Abilities: Currently JAs are limited due to the concurrent recast timers FFXI(PS2) can handle. This is why you see so many abilities sharing timers now. The main thing is the amount of JAs DNC/SAM gets that causes it, but everything is balanced around this.

GPU Issues
Increased Animations

CPU Issues
Increased Concurrent PC Count, this would help with city lag greatly, as PS2s CPU cannot handle the amount of data traffic

and seriously? someone actually defending the fact that PS2 ram is comparable to pc3200? pc3200!! that is incredibly slow RAM, and I don't care if it was fast for its time, its not its time anymore


Sincerely, a software engineer
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By Bismarck.Tiarnia 2012-06-23 10:26:00
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they have this on the official site in TEXT

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Title FINAL FANTASY XI® Seekers of Adoulin
Supported Systems Windows® Xbox 360®
Release Date 2013

on top of that there is no logo on the site or in the videos

that's 3 places they didn't just forget it 3 times in 3 different types of code, text, and video editing how could they forget 3 times by 3 different people? or even teams of people?
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2012-06-23 10:28:56
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I was wondering about that as well.. I checked the Abyssea site to see if they had Ps2 on the information for it and they did.. so we shall see..
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By Asura.Ina 2012-06-23 10:32:08
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It's been mentioned before that it is on the JP version has it not?
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By Carbuncle.Luthian 2012-06-23 10:40:18
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I dont know if it's been said yet but do any of you think if ps2 players were mostly NA and not JP that SE wouldn't drop PS2 support in a hot second? For those who dont know PS2 and PS3 are the same as far as FFXI is concerned.
PS2 FOR LIFE!!!
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2012-06-23 10:43:11
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タイトル名 「ファイナルファンタジーXI アドゥリンの魔境」拡張データディスク
対応機種 PlayStation®2 Windows® Xbox 360®
発売日 2013年発売予定"

(exactly same information as a few posts ago by Tiarnia, but this one explicitly mentions PS2)

Source Official Japanese Website
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2012-06-23 10:45:03
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Carbuncle.Luthian said: »
I dont know if it's been said yet but do any of you think if ps2 players were mostly NA and not JP that SE wouldn't drop PS2 support in a hot second? For those who dont know PS2 and PS3 are the same as far as FFXI is concerned.
PS2 FOR LIFE!!!


Really the only thing that would make SE give up from PS2 is SONY actually closing their PS2 support as they're the ones who own the authentication server and disc duplicators.
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By Bismarck.Tiarnia 2012-06-23 10:53:32
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Fenrir.Mariane said: »
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タイトル名 「ファイナルファンタジーXI アドゥリンの魔境」拡張データディスク
対応機種 PlayStation®2 Windows® Xbox 360®
発売日 2013年発売予定"

(exactly same information as a few posts ago by Tiarnia, but this one explicitly mentions PS2)

Source Official Japanese Website

yes I saw that too perhaps its only being release in JP where the PS2 player base is big enough to release a new terabyte hard drive with the expansion :p
 
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By Bismarck.Tiarnia 2012-06-23 11:02:14
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the PS2 is in the japanese version of the video only out of all 5 languages they produced it in and all 4 other sites do not show it at all only JP site

perhaps THAT was the typo

good question for tonight on the Live feed some one needs to tweet them :p
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-23 11:49:21
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Siren.Calnus said: »
I don't want to sit here and argue with you. I liked the short time I spent on FFXIV. Monk was fun to play and the Ifrit fight was alright.

But your about to learn first hand what happens when you invest millions of dollars into a code rewrite and it brings VERY few new players to the table. Legacy was an attempt to keep players paying for another 3 months... LITERALLY life support.

I don't see how a code rewrite and graphic engine changes will undo the damage already done by its horrible launch and inception into the MMO world. It's extremely rare you ever see a company approve an ordeal like this 2.0 they are attempting to do.... and there is a good reason for it.

The success rate of XIV and the subscriber base speaks for itself. I noticed the other day that they introduced "Relic Weapons"... most of which held the same name from the FFXI relics. It's a desperate attempt to win the XI crowd over and throw things we loved about XI into XIV. It's desperate feeling just like the hopes of 2.0 and legacy.


--HOWEVER--

On the flip side of things if FFXIV 2.0 manages to come out and triple the amount of content out of the gate. Then in a short period of time announce an expansion, we might have a slim slim chance of the game being a long term success. There is a FINE line on the margin of error for this being a success... and with millions of dollars on the line I honestly feel a bit wary of Square Enix's future. They already announced a huge loss of profits last year: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/12/square-enix-braces-investors-for-extraordinary-losses-in-last/

I sometimes wish Squaresoft never merged with Enix. Mostly because they ruined the Star Ocean series... But mostly because they may take Enix down with the ship should it give out.

Since when was 2.0 a graphic update? XIV can't run on a lot of people's systems as is.

Also: Enix ruined Square, you got it backwards buddy.

A publishing house "Enix" merging with an actual game company "Square" was a bad idea. "Enix" outsourced a lot of their projects, I haven't fully researched it so not sure how many but they didn't do much on their own.


There hasn't been a great FF title since the merge, it's depressing.
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By Siren.Novadragon 2012-06-23 11:54:30
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O please I can play FFXIV on a GT220 >.>
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2012-06-23 11:55:27
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I thought they were reducing the graphics a little so more systems could play it? >___>
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