PS2 Users

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAMBUS

Pintos and Porches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDRAM

research, it does wonders.

Expressing a desire that PS2 support will finally end is not the same thing as claiming it will.

The reason people want it gone in the first place is very simple and has been spelled out several times already in this thread: the only reason SE would even consider dropping PS2 support is if they were already prepared to commit the necessary resources to improving the game. No one is denying that this is an incredibly unlikely scenario; people are simply commenting on the fact that, considering the recent news, it's a possibility. People are hoping that this could spell the end for PS2 because that could only mean some serious overhauls really are in the works.

There's nothing wrong with wishful thinking, and this is coming from someone who couldn't imagine playing XI without my PS2 until I gave PC a try several years ago--I wish I had made the switch a lot sooner, that's for sure. XD

Yes it does wonders. Know what front side bus means?

Pintos and porches.

they are, as most don't even recognize that scenario.

what part of the "recent news" are people inferring this upon? the lack of the PS2 being under the "supported consoles" on the US page? that's already been explained...

There's a lot of things wrong with misplaced wishful thinking.

yes, yes I do. Know what peak transfer rate or bandwidth means?

If you (and all so suddenly) knew and understood how ram works and how it needs to flow to the cpu, which in ps2's case is very slow, then you would have dropped it long ago. Is it comparable to pc3200? No. The FBS is higher and iirc can be tweaked and iirc pc3200 is pumped 4x as opposed to the old 2x.

Pintos and Porches.

Whether or not it's misplaced is up in the air. Sure it's pretty unrealistic, but all this excited speculation within the community is a great opporunity for the majority of us as consumers to communicate our desire to SE.

What starts out as unlikely becomes downright impossible if you're not up front and persistent about what you want. :)

I don't even really see the PS2 as a problem at all anymore. They obviously found work arounds for inventory space, expansions, new jobs and tons of updates YEARS after they told us "PS2 limitations" in response to more inventory space.

Now we have porter moogles ect.

I don't see a reason to ever even REMOTELY scoff at a PS2's technical aspect because the game was designed completely with it in mind. It's the same thing as installing an x32 program on an x64 operating system. Your application won't know how to properly utilize the potential of the x64.

Seeing Jetackuu having to explain this 100 times over feels like it is absolutely ridiculous... someone name something that the game actually needs that's impossible because of the coding structure, because sure it's not perfect and could seriously use an optimization rewrite.... but you people are bitching for the sake of bitching and not for legit reasons.

Ignorance is NOT bliss in this situation and frustrating even to me lol.

I know exactly how it "flows" but you seem to lack the reading comprehension of transfer rate (which includes the bus transfer rate in the equation).

Yes it is comparable to pc3200 /end

I like how you keep using car references, kinda funny.


no it's not, not by any stretch of reality.

As for our desires, they're outweighed by the JP desires of playing on their console, regardless of what the rest of the world wants.

Epic Sax, ftw.

You don't have to be a technical genius by any stretch of the means to understand that the games code structure is at fault for any short comings... NOT the Playstation 2 hardware.

But I'll ask again... what exactly is missing from this game that people blame the PS2 for?

Also, epic sax and sunstroke project have always been epic even before that pelvic thrusting phenomenon of awesomeness.

People stressing for nothing. lol People obviously have more power over you then you do yourself. Hope you're proud.

People that are head over heels for PS2 consoles obviously are stuck in some fantasy that the ability to upgrade/enhance older software to utilize modern hardware seems nonexistent.

Yes I'm sure they most likely wont do anything of the sort, but they can! I wish they did. Newer and newer games coming out that do use it. The majority of people are going too or already have a console that is 10-20xs more powerful.

I guess it's just me lol I'm the only one in the entire Final Fantasy XI community that wishes they would upgrade to look and feel better. I guess that's why I play FFXIV now.

On another note of the PS2 that I scrolled over (and kinda figured, but wasn't sure or I forgot) is that it uses a MIPS, 64bit RISC cpu, /nerding.

This is completely failed logic. Look at the Xbox 360, way superior in graphics and resolution... but achieves nothing signifigant hardware wise concerning the games actual structure.

If they ever did a PS3 release (that SOMEHOW wasn't a PS2 emulation which would result in the EXACT SAME gameplay you already achieve on a PS2)... the game wouldn't be any more fit to upgrade without a code rewrite which SE doesn't have the budget for.

You could completely remove Xbox360 and PS2... and it would benefit the game absolutely none while losing a giant portion of the player base because of a concept you understand nothing about.

It has absolutely nothing to do with bias towards console or PC gaming in general.

Rambus
Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. Rambus has high top speeds but there's this thing called latency which it also has a high amount of. Because if has higher latency, it doesn't push/transfer as much data as a much lower latency stick that already pushes four times the amount.

Part of my job is to know Which, How, and Why when it comes to pc parts because i have to build them myself. I need to know which parts to get, why i need them, and how they work together. Faster data, more storage, multiple screens, etc they must all work together or else i'm gimping myself.

Comparing rambus (ps2) to a pc3200 is comparable to 2 soda bottle with holes. Rambus has 3 holes and the pc3200 has 12. Which do you think will empty faster? This is a really lame discussion and instead of pointing me to some amazing fact that's changed in the last 8 years you're saying "YES IT IS!" and that's pretty lame. Go check out toms hardware or email the guys at Crucial or Corsiar. This is bordering a haste discussion.

They definitely could, but they won't, the cost/benefit isn't in their favor.

1. I don't play a game based on it's looks, never have, never will.

2. Of course I wouldn't turn down an overhaul, but it's not going to happen.

3. technically the ps3 is capable of much more processing power, much more than even 20x, but desktop PC's are still stronger, and will always be so.

4. I've given up on a XI revamp when I realized XIV wasn't it, and while I'm happy with the content they've added, I'll probably retire long before I get to the majority of it.

5. While a lot of people had issues with the crap lenses they put in the PS2, at least I had 1 unit last me for oh about 10 years now (haven't played it much in the past 1-2) compared to the months I've had a working PS3, and the stack of 360's sitting beside me, all because certain companies are too cheap to use good solder and build cases that vent properly.

I feel like this at the moment lol.

No its just being annoying, it is downright impossible no matter how much anyone begs them to do it.

Just going off what i've googled, it costs 60million to 80million to create a MMORPG. Which is what you're basically asking SE to do.

Second FF14 was in development for 5/6 years before release, i am assuming thats what all you people bitching want and expect the game to run/look like if there was a rehaul. So unless SE has been working on FF11 V2.0 for the last 5 year this is not going to happen any time soon.

If what you're saying even remotely worked…lol (annoying SE till they just do it) You will not see PS2 dropped for 4+ years simply going off how long 14 took for them to make. And by that time the game will be graphically behind another 4 years and there will be more bitching, also mind you if they did this rehaul they would need to drop XBOX also, or it will simply be recoded for xbox and we're just right where we started lol.

If this game has at least 500 subscribers and kept them for the next 5~ years
Everyone paying about 15~ 1 main 2 mules
that is only 450 thousand dollars, no where near enough money to cover your rehaul you want to bug them endlessly about. Thats just enough to maintain the game and make a little profit.
Even a million subscribers does not make the money back for a rehaul

So you wishful thinking is just annoying delusions. If you are sick of Ps2 coding holding the game back, stop paying, and go play something already made for this day and age.

We can argue semantics all day long with people who refuse to grasp the concept and understanding of this....

But upon approaching page 5 we still have yet to see someone complain about something relevant to the systems limitations.... Were getting another expansion and 2 new jobs... a full expansion with new content larger than ToAU and on par with Zilart.

What exactly is the freaking problem here?

Get from under your rock. Talking like you can play some super high end software game on a Nintendo. You can only go as far as your hardware. Ignorant I swear lol Wouldn't lose much of their player base. Like I said most, if not all have consoles already that are much more powerful. Do your own research. Where every household in america own a TV and or computer. Same goes for Japan, more then half of every house hold own a computer. /sigh
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As for the game play, why would they release a FFXIV game? Game looks and feels 100xs better then XI. You're talking to someone who played XI for 7 years. There is a reason games are looking and playing MUCH better then they did 10 years ago. Is that because peoples interests are stuck in old age hardware where games didn't look and play nearly as good? No.. Of course not. Games are looking and playing better because that's what people WANT. You must be one of a rare few who don't actually care. So really. The topic of PS2 vs any better console really shouldn't pertain to you.

didn't eve online actually change it's minimum system requirements partway through?

and ccp is currently beta testing an mmo shooter (dust 514)for ps3. i doubt they'd be doing that this late in the ps3 lifecycle unless they planned to eventually port it to ps4 and nix the ps3 support



so how hard would this be, REALLY?

For games to last through the years, they must and have to upgrade it's capabilities. Otherwise you are striving towards the inevitable. Absolution. The End. I do not want that for XI. I love this game. Eve is smart.

Btw Dust 514 looks fun.

Tbh i want them to do something about only being able to see X amount of people on screen. Back when i played wow with friends we'd see every stinking horde that wasn't super clipped and would HK them for appearing on screen. I don't even want to get into with other games... (can't compare this to blade and soul, pso2, or any other newer games since it's pretty unfair that they show tons of people in range) and i agree about every house having a computer. Since they invented porn and online games it's ridiculous to be without one!

When i had my 2005 acer zg blue netbook i was able to play ffxi and that didn't have a step down like most consoles but it played just fine and it's a NETBOOOK!

This is increasingly cute and proving you have no idea what you are talking about.... so I'll spell it out for you easily.

Wrong. Do you know how many JP players use PS2? Do you know how many people use Xbox 360 because they cannot afford a high end or modern computer? You obviously don't because I would estimate a 25% loss MINIMUM in their playerbase.... and that is me being generous.

I've played FFXIV well enough to know its garbage behind a false sense of hope with 2.0. The game can look and feel 100x's better but it lacks 10000x's the depth of a GOOD traditional MMO. While there is a slim chance the new 2.0 design can pull back some of the garbage game mechanics, it's unlikely. It's been on life support well beyond the poor excuse of a beta.

You can plastic wrap a candy bar in the most luxurious packaging and tin foil known to man, but if it tastes like ***you probably won't eat it. Graphics have a minor wow factor... but don't automatically determine that the game is great.

To think you called ME ignorant lololol.

With some tweaks I'm sure they can play XI on most smart phones. 4G XI On the go! Do you need it?

You're missing the point, the two are still comparable, the one has higher clock speed and latency, the other has a larger bus, for gaming the latency is kind of irrelevant, so yes, comparable.


You can say it's part of your job, but it really doesn't matter if it is or it isn't, so stop trying to make yourself sound important, it doesn't help your argument.

Only going to say this once. You are making everything you say up. Stop talking out of your rear.. Infact just stop talking all together.

Ps Your insults don't really make you look mature.

This is how i felt about ff14 when they made it auto attack and pretended NA didn't have any say in what'll go down. They spent time ignoring players left and right and never attempted to push the envelope! That was one of the worst candybars ever!

You keep going on about what is. You are probably not even on the same topic as I am. I'm talking about what they should and can do but refuse too. If you or anyone else denies the fact that the game can be better, well... That's really only thinking inside the box. There are many improvements people would love to see.
Fyreus hit one of them right on the nose.