I see a lot of "well, in reality, you'll never get rid of it..." etc. type stuff seeping into this thread.
Let's pretend for just a minute that it doesn't have to be that way.
I dislike the "human nature" excuse. Because that's what it is. It's the same excuse some men use for sleeping and impregnating 20 different women (actually thereby being a direct cause of problems like the one we're discussing, among others).
You don't effect change by being a pessimist moping about "there's no hope, things will never change..."
Teacher Turns The Tables On School "bully"..
Teacher turns the tables on school "bully"..
Alexander.Sumo said: »
I believe it to be true that you can only hold young children accountable for so much. They do not possess the wisdom or understanding that adults have and that's why we, as adults, need to do our best at helping them learn that understanding and knowledge. I don't understand why the mother is getting so much backlash for her "lack of parenting" in this case. She claims to have been ignorant about her son's actions at school, where keep in mind, she is not there to supervise. Isn't it at all possible that she truly didn't know and the teachers/school failed to notify her of her child's behavioral problems? There simply are not enough stated facts to make a legitimate case for or against her.
When we first moved, my son was 3 1/2, and he went thru a very tough transitional period. I was dropping him off at preschool at 6:30 in the morning and picking him up at 6:30 at night, so I wasn't able to spend much time with him. I had no idea he was acting out at school. After about 2 months, I receive a note from his teacher informing me that nothing she did was helping. I immediately set up time with her to go into the classroom to find out what was going on.
Apparently he was telling her "no" when she asked him to do something and then would laugh at her like it was some kind of joke. He wasn't listening at all. My immediate response was "how long has this been going on and why am I now just hearing about it?" She swore up and down that she had put it on his dailies on numerous occasions, although I went back thru them, because I saved them all and nothing.
Regardless, we put a system together to make sure the little man was help accountable and I received daily notes on his behavior. It got to the point that I threw EVERY single one of his toys in a trash bag and locked them in the closet where he couldn't play with them. For each day he got a good report, he earned a toy back. For each day he got a bad one, they were locked up again. She also revoked 15 min of his "free" time when he acted up in class. Needless to say, we nipped it in the bud very quickly, once I knew what was going on.
The point is, the parents are not always aware of what is going on. Teachers, just like anyone else, get carried away with life and sometimes forget to let us know what is going on in the classroom. While this isn't about bullying exactly, it does help explain why the mom says she had no idea.
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
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I have witnessed some sad events of kids getting pummled sadly the majority was white and till this day it still goes on and it happens in schools and it called "Krakker Day" messed up isn't it? and all it is is one person saying "it's ***** day" lets knock out the first one we see.
You want to know my personal contributions? Well I'm not a parent yet so nothing in that department... Most of mine would probably have come in HS... one of my friends and I who would sit at lunch together would invite all the kids that sat alone and had no friends and such to sit with us... anyone who didn't have a table ended up sitting with us... Occasionally I would stand up for someone who was getting picked on... I've been there for my little cousin when she's needed an outlet... a lot of these kids don't feel like it's something they can go to their parents with... Other than that not much personally...
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
You want to know my personal contributions? Well I'm not a parent yet so nothing in that department... Most of mine would probably have come in HS... one of my friends and I who would sit at lunch together would invite all the kids that sat alone and had no friends and such to sit with us... anyone who didn't have a table ended up sitting with us... Occasionally I would stand up for someone who was getting picked on... I've been there for my little cousin when she's needed an outlet... a lot of these kids don't feel like it's something they can go to their parents with... Other than that not much personally...
Leviathan.Syagin said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
You want to know my personal contributions? Well I'm not a parent yet so nothing in that department... Most of mine would probably have come in HS... one of my friends and I who would sit at lunch together would invite all the kids that sat alone and had no friends and such to sit with us... anyone who didn't have a table ended up sitting with us... Occasionally I would stand up for someone who was getting picked on... I've been there for my little cousin when she's needed an outlet... a lot of these kids don't feel like it's something they can go to their parents with... Other than that not much personally...
Basically what I'm getting here is you're saying you're a bully and these are the things that you're afraid of. People who can stand up to you and beat you up. You are the type of bully that only picks on people you can take in a fight.
Ok. We've got this out in the open finally. Moving on.
In my case I just let the people that I know that I think they're cool... I focus on the positive in their lives and talk to em about how I wish I could do some of the things they do... sometimes it ends up in them teaching me something new... Sometimes you just end up taking an interest in what they do... Honestly the kids being picked on usually just need an outlet... someone to sit there and tell them how wonderful they are... doesn't always work with a parent though because well parents are expected to or aren't "cool" but it doesn't hurt... I just thing trying to harden a kids heart, while it may be beneficial in that it allows them to bear the burden, seems like too much... I always think of kids being able to be free and run around with no worries and that's the kind of environment we try to give them... while it's not always possible... try to make it as close as possible... and I don't mean shelter them completely but preaching that the world sucks and you're going to have to deal with it to them starting at a young age i think is just unfair to the kid... its like you have to grow up before you're supposed to...
Leviathan.Syagin said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
You want to know my personal contributions? Well I'm not a parent yet so nothing in that department... Most of mine would probably have come in HS... one of my friends and I who would sit at lunch together would invite all the kids that sat alone and had no friends and such to sit with us... anyone who didn't have a table ended up sitting with us... Occasionally I would stand up for someone who was getting picked on... I've been there for my little cousin when she's needed an outlet... a lot of these kids don't feel like it's something they can go to their parents with... Other than that not much personally...
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Leviathan.Syagin said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
You want to know my personal contributions? Well I'm not a parent yet so nothing in that department... Most of mine would probably have come in HS... one of my friends and I who would sit at lunch together would invite all the kids that sat alone and had no friends and such to sit with us... anyone who didn't have a table ended up sitting with us... Occasionally I would stand up for someone who was getting picked on... I've been there for my little cousin when she's needed an outlet... a lot of these kids don't feel like it's something they can go to their parents with... Other than that not much personally...
Those teachers deserve to be fired for teaching the entire class to reduce themselves to the level of the obviously neglected "bully" child. The teachers abused thier power as a mentor. The so called bully kid was only 6 years old, and the experience of the entire class hitting him or her is plain wrong and will make him meaner. Hitting pinned down kids is very wrong and not self-defense.
The way the teacher should have handled it was to email or contact the "bully" kid’s parents and describe with detail what exactly the kid was doing to disrupt the classroom environment and the other children. If the parent won’t do anything to control the kid or change his/her behavior, than the kid gets put into a special class, which solves the problem for the other kids. Eventually the embarrassment of the bully kids parents kick in and they do something about it, readjust the kid. The kid can earn their way back into the main class and often they earn the privilege to stay with the other kids before going to special class due to the emails and pink slips being sent home and the readjustments that follow. Kids themselves, even bullies, do not want to be put into an ostracized situation and will work to get out of that even without their parents involvement. When they find themselves in that situation, all alone with a Phonix book, they won't like it.
It’s the older bullies that are the real “bullies”. 6 year olds can still be taught and changed in a way that can dramatically change their behaviors and actions they take on.
It is not the schools responsibility to give corporal punishment to school kids anymore. Also it is very wrong to incorporate corporal punishment through the other students.
Also it is not the schools responsibility to teach students to be violent, leave it to the dads and moms to teach their kids self-defense and defensive principles.
The way the teacher should have handled it was to email or contact the "bully" kid’s parents and describe with detail what exactly the kid was doing to disrupt the classroom environment and the other children. If the parent won’t do anything to control the kid or change his/her behavior, than the kid gets put into a special class, which solves the problem for the other kids. Eventually the embarrassment of the bully kids parents kick in and they do something about it, readjust the kid. The kid can earn their way back into the main class and often they earn the privilege to stay with the other kids before going to special class due to the emails and pink slips being sent home and the readjustments that follow. Kids themselves, even bullies, do not want to be put into an ostracized situation and will work to get out of that even without their parents involvement. When they find themselves in that situation, all alone with a Phonix book, they won't like it.
It’s the older bullies that are the real “bullies”. 6 year olds can still be taught and changed in a way that can dramatically change their behaviors and actions they take on.
It is not the schools responsibility to give corporal punishment to school kids anymore. Also it is very wrong to incorporate corporal punishment through the other students.
Also it is not the schools responsibility to teach students to be violent, leave it to the dads and moms to teach their kids self-defense and defensive principles.
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Phoenix.Ragmar said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
I want this teacher's methods to work. They appeal to the primal need for eye-for-an-eye justice that I cannot shake. It's what I want to believe works. But I just get the feeling it's the wrong way the whole way around.
As for accountability... Many people are held accountable for their actions... if you can prove their accountable... When it comes to young kids though its a different story for sure...
Edit: Also, our legal system is flawed... We've put innocent people in prison for crimes they did not commit... Just colateral damage though huh?
So because we're better than them we cant punish them equally to their crime I see. Turn the other cheek I guess... And as far as our legal system yes it is flawed because again there is no accountability for when DA's, judges and over zealous police officers stack the evidence against people who didn't commit crimes. How about making the system work as intended rather than making excuses for people?
Bismarck.Enzoe said: »
Those teachers deserve to be fired for teaching the entire class to reduce themselves to the level of the obviously neglected "bully" child. The teachers abused thier power as a mentor. The so called bully kid was only 6 years old, and the experience of the entire class hitting him or her is plain wrong and will make him meaner. Hitting pinned down kids is very wrong and not self-defense.
The way the teacher should have handled it was to email or contact the "bully" kid’s parents and describe with detail what exactly the kid was doing to disrupt the classroom environment and the other children. If the parent won’t do anything to control the kid or change his/her behavior, than the kid gets put into a special class, which solves the problem for the other kids. Eventually the embarrassment of the bully kids parents kick in and they do something about it, readjust the kid. The kid can earn their way back into the main class and often they earn the privilege to stay with the other kids before going to special class due to the emails and pink slips being sent home and the readjustments that follow. Kids themselves, even bullies, do not want to be put into an ostracized situation and will work to get out of that even without their parents involvement. When they find themselves in that situation, all alone with a Phonix book, they won't like it.
It’s the older bullies that are the real “bullies”. 6 year olds can still be taught and changed in a way that can dramatically change their behaviors and actions they take on.
It is not the schools responsibility to give corporal punishment to school kids anymore. Also it is very wrong to incorporate corporal punishment through the other students.
Also it is not the schools responsibility to teach students to be violent, leave it to the dads and moms to teach their kids self-defense and defensive principles.
The way the teacher should have handled it was to email or contact the "bully" kid’s parents and describe with detail what exactly the kid was doing to disrupt the classroom environment and the other children. If the parent won’t do anything to control the kid or change his/her behavior, than the kid gets put into a special class, which solves the problem for the other kids. Eventually the embarrassment of the bully kids parents kick in and they do something about it, readjust the kid. The kid can earn their way back into the main class and often they earn the privilege to stay with the other kids before going to special class due to the emails and pink slips being sent home and the readjustments that follow. Kids themselves, even bullies, do not want to be put into an ostracized situation and will work to get out of that even without their parents involvement. When they find themselves in that situation, all alone with a Phonix book, they won't like it.
It’s the older bullies that are the real “bullies”. 6 year olds can still be taught and changed in a way that can dramatically change their behaviors and actions they take on.
It is not the schools responsibility to give corporal punishment to school kids anymore. Also it is very wrong to incorporate corporal punishment through the other students.
Also it is not the schools responsibility to teach students to be violent, leave it to the dads and moms to teach their kids self-defense and defensive principles.
Actually self defense principals teach to use the least violent option unless were talking Krav Maga. And these same teenage bullies are the 6 year old bullies who weren't dealt with. 50 years ago corporal punishment was allowed in school, are you going to sit here and tell me society is in a better place today than 50 years ago (womens rights and ethinc inequallity aside). I know you didn't have kids knifed or shot in school, girls werent raped, teachers were assaulted. Whats changed oh thats right kids arent held accountable in ways that matter to them.
Phoenix.Ragmar said: »
And these same teenage bullies are the 6 year old bullies who weren't dealt with. 50 years ago corporal punishment was allowed in school, are you going to sit here and tell me society is in a better place today than 50 years ago (womens rights and ethinc inequallity aside). I know you didn't have kids knifed or shot in school, girls werent raped, teachers were assaulted. Whats changed oh thats right kids arent held accountable in ways that matter to them.
I absolutely will. If you think atrocities didn't occur 50 years ago you are gravely mistaken.
Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Yeah cause I'm sure this teacher decided this was the best course of action the very first time little Billy bullied a classmate. I mean right that sounds like a teacher. I'm sure this teacher, who is remember educated in early childhood development, never tried any of the more traditional approaches and if they did after they failed I'm sure they didn't go to the principal. This is the problem people like you assume the worst rather than look at the obvious. Teachers, aside from sexual predators, don't go to 4 years of schooling and continuing education every year to be able to abuse kids in school. Unlike many parents, teachers actually choose to spend their time with children... I'm sure this teacher saw what many people in the field see and thats other children being completely destroyed by the situation and just got fed up with inaction.
Like I said racial/gender issues aside 50 years ago our society was in a far better place than today.
I'm very sure I don't want to leave that decision up to 1 or 2 individuals who aren't the kids parents. Nor do I think having the rest of the class smack the kid anything but asinine.
And nobody in a position of power, other than sexual predators, have ever abused their power.
I'd like to hear some examples of non gender/racial issues that our society was worse off with 50 years ago vs today.
Phoenix.Ragmar said: »
I'd like to hear some examples of non gender/racial issues that our society was worse off with 50 years ago vs today.
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I'm waiting for him to say it has to be from EXACTLY 50 years ago
I like how you assume parents are even capable to make the best choices simply because they are parents and therefore hold the right to choose.
Phoenix.Ragmar said: »
I like how you assume parents are even capable to make the best choices simply because they are parents and therefore hold the right to choose.
Did I miss something? I didn't see him say that anywhere <_<
So you're saying the Salem witch trials were equall or worse than lets say the level of crime in Akron Ohio? Try again.
Phoenix.Ragmar said: »
So you're saying the Salem witch trials were equall or worse than lets say the level of crime in Akron Ohio? Try again.
If you peruse the article, you will notice that in addition to a section on the riots in 2009, there is another section outlining the riots in 1968, 44 years ago.
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Phoenix.Ragmar said: »
I'd like to hear some examples of non gender/racial issues that our society was worse off with 50 years ago vs today.
You're implying these same issues don't still exist today in various forms. Sure we might share drinking fountains but there are still huge social economic gaps in predominantly ethnic areas. Women may vote but they still arent making similar wags to male counterparts in the same position with the same experience.
Phoenix.Ragmar said: »
Like I said racial/gender issues aside 50 years ago our society was in a far better place than today.
Phoenix.Ragmar said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Phoenix.Ragmar said: »
I'd like to hear some examples of non gender/racial issues that our society was worse off with 50 years ago vs today.
You're implying these same issues don't still exist today in various forms. Sure we might share drinking fountains but there are still huge social economic gaps in predominantly ethnic areas. Women may vote but they still arent making similar wags to male counterparts in the same position with the same experience.
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