The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage

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By Asura.Fitali 2013-04-17 03:22:30
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Is Thurandaut body worth it at all if I only have AF3+2? I don't have any Thaumas and I don't have Toci's... I cap haste just fine with AF3+2. Would it be worth it to buy the Thurandaut body for the extra Str and attack when TPing? Also it is inferior to AF body for str spells right?
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By Moozie 2013-04-17 07:47:30
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i thought he bound them to the function keys.

so, we went 2/4 last night, one short of 5. we got to 76 on the first run, and I died because my macros wouldn't fire off.

won the second and 3rd one, and the fourth one we got to 71, but in the 60s we got floor jumps of 2, 3, and 5 in a row, so 61 to 63, to 66, to 71. Also got screwed by a lamp floor that was same time, but we hadn't located the 5 lamp.

we would have no issues getting to 80 and winning every time if the game didn't troll us constantly with several low jumps per run.

It would be worth the cost of buying and running a full god pop for red legs, right? I tried a kirin pop set, and got 3 shining cloths.
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By Gimp 2013-04-17 08:26:17
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Asura.Fitali said: »
Is Thurandaut body worth it at all if I only have AF3+2? I don't have any Thaumas and I don't have Toci's... I cap haste just fine with AF3+2. Would it be worth it to buy the Thurandaut body for the extra Str and attack when TPing? Also it is inferior to AF body for str spells right?

It's fine for tping if you don't need the refresh or the acc how often you'll need af3+2 depends on your mp usage (which is the event and if you have an almace) and acc of course. Can just swap back into emp body whenever you do need it's something you'll have to gauge yourself.

whether or not to buy it or not is up to you but should make sure you buy gloves before body

Body should be inferior to most things for phsyical casting except heavy strike
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By Ragnarok.Phettyx 2013-04-17 12:48:44
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Just a quick question for Sanguine blade pants. I haven't been able to do meebles so until then which is better the MAB +4 from my Shanotto pants or Orvail's +16 Int?
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2013-04-17 16:49:56
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Ragnarok.Phettyx said: »
Just a quick question for Sanguine blade pants. I haven't been able to do meebles so until then which is better the MAB +4 from my Shanotto pants or Orvail's +16 Int?
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2013-04-18 11:57:14
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85-90 is NOT as bad as people make it out to be. Dhorme is an easy NM to duo, and all you need for Apademak is a good stunner.

Supposedly. <_<

I'm just brewing all of my Apademaks. Pop, stun, Sanguine Blade.

Cool thing to note: Temporal Shift works to stun. It has a long recast though.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-18 11:59:40
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Apad is the most god awful 90 empy NM to ever exist, seriously. Dhorme isn't "hard" but it's annoying as ***to pop (or mega expensive). Apad itself is just best brewed if you don't plan on exploiting height glitches.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2013-04-18 12:04:44
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He is soloable on BLU w/o height difference or brew. Might just want to grab ascetics/stalwarts before you fight him just to help out. It's tedious but its possible if you don't have tons of cruors to blow on brews or friends to help.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-18 12:10:06
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
He is soloable on BLU w/o height difference or brew. Might just want to grab ascetics/stalwarts before you fight him just to help out. It's tedious but its possible if you don't have tons of cruors to blow on brews or friends to help.

You gotta be REALLY good to do that though I'd wager. But also, you'd have to job change after every Dhorme too no? I doubt /war is the sub you want for apad, and you need red stagger for dhorme for sure, or you're wasting massive gil/time.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-04-18 12:14:00
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
Apad is the most god awful 90 empy NM to ever exist, seriously. Dhorme isn't "hard" but it's annoying as ***to pop (or mega expensive). Apad itself is just best brewed if you don't plan on exploiting height glitches.

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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-18 12:15:49
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Apad is the most god awful 90 empy NM to ever exist, seriously. Dhorme isn't "hard" but it's annoying as ***to pop (or mega expensive). Apad itself is just best brewed if you don't plan on exploiting height glitches.

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I'm sorry I really don't understand the relevance, but ok sure.
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By Ragnarok.Arcalimo 2013-04-18 12:16:33
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I was stuck on Apademak for a good while but after i got the point it was the easiest of the trials to me and now i prefer it over the majority of the trial NMs lol

If you have a healer and you bring it to the cliff you don't even need stun, it becomes a complete joke and always died under 5 mins as thf/drk, never had the change to recast last resort.

Buying the pops was the best thing i could do, with a single dyna run you could buy about 10 pops so it's not that bad and it really speeds up the trial.

The most annoying part of it was changing from nin to thf after every two dhormes, well even dhorme was more annoying that apademak itself.
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By Siren.Kyte 2013-04-18 12:20:10
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Apad is the most god awful 90 empy NM to ever exist, seriously. Dhorme isn't "hard" but it's annoying as ***to pop (or mega expensive). Apad itself is just best brewed if you don't plan on exploiting height glitches.

azdaja's endoom says hi

I'm sorry I really don't understand the relevance, but ok sure.

He means that Azdaja has more of a ***-you move than Apademak, making it possibly the more awful of the two.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-18 12:23:26
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Siren.Kyte said: »
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Apad is the most god awful 90 empy NM to ever exist, seriously. Dhorme isn't "hard" but it's annoying as ***to pop (or mega expensive). Apad itself is just best brewed if you don't plan on exploiting height glitches.

azdaja's endoom says hi

I'm sorry I really don't understand the relevance, but ok sure.

He means that Azdaja has more of a ***-you move than Apademak, making it possibly the more awful of the two.

Oh ok. I've literally never had problems with Azdaja when we did it with groups. We always just steam rolled through it, but Apad can be cunty if somebody misses a single stun you can wipe.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-04-18 12:23:33
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I've done all my Empyrean NMs on NIN so he's always been a pansy to me. ;/
 
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2013-04-18 13:23:54
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It's necessary to be competitive. CdC is still typically the better weaponskill choice.

Requiescat is really damn close though. :<
 
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-04-18 14:00:31
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Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
I've done all my Empyrean NMs on NIN so he's always been a pansy to me. ;/

qft, the ki path is the only real difficulty for apa, and its just the competition.

apa has one painful move that he can't even use unless you screw up, but he can be a pain occasionally.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-04-18 14:02:47
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Apademak is a complete joke if you bring a reliable form of stun...there really isn't any reason to miss a stun.
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By Ragnarok.Arcalimo 2013-04-18 14:11:46
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That is the cliff, you can heal from there and you never get hit with anything, so you just have to toss a cure 4 or 5 after every spell/tp move.

Is not about missing the stun, is about him resisting it, when your source of stun is a whm/blm or a DD /blm or /drk there is a good chance that he may resist 1 or 2 stuns per fight, in those situations he is still a joke pulling it there, as don't really need stun at all, it just makes the fight smoother.
 
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-04-18 14:18:03
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I thought SE removed the X/Y advantages to monster tp moves?

Either way, there never was a reason to do it that way anyway if you could stun, if it starts to resist stun, the fight more or likely went on for too long anyway.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-04-18 14:18:11
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
Apademak is a complete joke if you bring a reliable form of stun...there really isn't any reason to miss a stun.


pulling him to that cliff is the key, there really aren't many mobs in abby that you can't just position right and tp burn.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-04-18 14:24:26
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the cliff is a waste of time
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2013-04-18 14:24:49
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
He is soloable on BLU w/o height difference or brew. Might just want to grab ascetics/stalwarts before you fight him just to help out. It's tedious but its possible if you don't have tons of cruors to blow on brews or friends to help.

You gotta be REALLY good to do that though I'd wager. But also, you'd have to job change after every Dhorme too no? I doubt /war is the sub you want for apad, and you need red stagger for dhorme for sure, or you're wasting massive gil/time.

It is tedious but its better than nothing .
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By Ragnarok.Arcalimo 2013-04-18 14:29:36
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When i did them my mule had 0 dark magic skill and no Merciless Matriarch atma so missing a stun was more than normal.
Of course if you have better resources it's even easier, but in that cliff I could go with the whm naked with just MM atma and I would still succeed, and thats why he is joke, you don't really need anything special to win.
Also, it takes like 20 seconds to pull him there so I didn't see a reason to do it the hard way.
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By Gimp 2013-04-18 14:40:24
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Asura.Kaitaru said: »
Asura.Lokimaru said: »
It's necessary to be competitive. CdC is still typically the better weaponskill choice.

Requiescat is really damn close though. :<
Between the two I feel the ODD on almace is more competitive, I may consider trying to 99 it but I just want to have fun with the new exp and get some minor to medium upgrades while waiting for FFXIV 2.0 This game just stopped being as appealing to me after abyssea. Just nothing better to play...

In my opinion with this post and your first in this thread not really sure you'd enjoy doing it then you'd up and go for ff14 (which there is nothing wrong with) but personally I don't like to waste time with things I'm not sure I'll like, if I do it then I do it. Maybe you really don't want it and that's fine, I think what we work on and have should reflect what we want out of the job and the game.

Understand that most people don't use Almace properly and that you're decision to make one shouldn't be based off of what you see and it's not a big deal if you don't make one. I can't really say whether or not it's an investment because I'm not sure how far you wanna go with the weapon and there are powerful alternatives to the 85 and 90 weapons just released.

That was probably a lot more subjective and philosophical than intended but I hope that helps
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By Moozie 2013-04-18 15:51:49
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I am going to guess that sudden lunge/head butt doesn't work on apademek.

I was using sudden lunge on glavoid yesterday, and he didn't do a lot of anything.
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