The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage

You can easily setup a skillchain with 1 other DD.

Yeah, and the SC in question is usually off of Expiacion lol.

Easily can, very true, but still don't

That's like effort, or something.

Yup quick in 2017 just got back and have no Odyssey gears, a few or hercules that's about it and only AG Almace (haven't even upgrade)

From what I read so far Almace might not even worth upgrading? (if i am planning to get a Tizona)

Worth is subjective and Tizona is the more useful weapon regardless of DPS which doesn't matter as much as people like to pretend anyways.

It's still a nice offhand for Tizona when you can't use Thibron, but I definitely do not recommend R15ing it over R15ing Tizona and maxing out the CDC/Expiacion weapon skill gear slots first. Even when CDC is better, I just still manage to outperform my Almace set-up with my Tizona set-up. And once you have that Malignance gear farmed up (that should be one of your highest priorities), you are just going to struggle to rationalize dropping it for an Almace set-up in higher level content. That's not to mention the insane mana regeneration it also adds for solo content.

I answered your question about the gear right beside your question. You said to post gear or link. I posted gear, then you wrote to give you link too, so I did. You never asked about uncapped attack gear and since you had link, I assumed you would figure it out yourself, since it's normal Expiacion set known and used for years.
So I'm really not sure what you mean by me not wanting to tell you what I use. I answered your every question asap (I'm from EU so any break in my responses is because I'm probably sleeping).

What's the avg tp and damage for attack capped Expiacion in your sims and what fSTR?

Usually you never answer my question about which gear you're using or any other variables and I got sick of trying to get an answer from you.

I use random values between 1000 and 1250 for all three weapon skills. Your set with 345 VIT puts me at 12 dSTR for 4 fSTR

You use ranodm between 1000 and 1250? You are not simulating real number of hits with random variable based on QA/TA/DA and tp per hit? If you just random between 1000 and 1250, thats why you have cdc winning. Real avg for Expiacion is higher than 1125.

Seems to be somewhere between 1000 and 1250 to me. But I can use the same value every time like a spreadsheet does if you'd like.

You also have stronger songs with Tizona/Thibron than you do Almace.

Yea i think the unlimited MP is very handy when soloing. Sometimes I wonder if i should really work on Tizona or should get RMEA for another job now that I have the almace...

Think Tizona shines just as much in group content. You're bringing a lot of utility as a BLU. If they wanted just a DD, a lot of jobs do more damage than BLU.

Man, make a goddamn Tizona. I waited years because I said "I will never make a mythic, fk that process" and was lowkey galka jelly every time someone came on here bragging about how good it was. I decided to make one at the beginning of last year and its an absolute game-changer for BLU. You will.not.regret.making.this.weapon. It is so damn fun, versatile, and just feels "right" as the sword BLU should always wield.

Make one and come back in a month and tell me if everything I stated above isn't true.

Again, using your spreadsheet after I made all the variables equal between all sets, using the gear you already had for uncapped attack with the exception of req which I used this for reference:


Almace doing CDC > CDC has 5368.718 DPS and Tizona/Thib doing Req > Expiacion has 5143.750 DPS

And also for reference, again, using the gear you already had in there, Expiacion has an average of 1180 TP before gear, Requiescat has an average of 1214, and CDC has an average of 1193.

So it isn't a question of my program vs your edits, this is all with your edited spreadsheet.


Edit: For curiosity sake, I swapped to Jhakri +2 head after updating the stats to +2 and including the additional 7 SC bonus, brings it up to 5226.137

My sheet shows ~3% lead for Req>Exp With Tizona/Thibron over cdc>cdc Almace/Zan if you assume 14k Requiescat. I already posted you numbers on previous page, so I have no idea why you are trying to use my sheet against me lol.

First of all, it isn't yours. You didn't make it, you just edit it.
Second of all, every time I use my own program I have to fight to get information out of you. And again, I just use the same stuff you had in already, so I don't know how you're getting a different result unless you changed something again without mentioning it, like you have a habit of doing. Either that or you didn't change something for one set like you do for another set, for example, your songs are using separate values.

Maybe they are factoring for the amount you are dead while trying to TP effectively with an Almace and not using malignance.

Holy ***Austar you are playing such a weak cards now. Not my sheet? Do you really try to tell me that by saying "my sheet" I try to say I made it. Everyone and their mothers know its just edited, so gtfo with such low blows.

I gave you link to sheet, you can make a copy and use it yourself. If you assume I dont use this EDITED BY ME SHEET THAT SOMEONE ELSE MADE and everything in there is the same then you assume wrong. I gave you numbers and gear I used to get those numbers on previous page.

Capped attack, capped accuracy in TP, 56%accuracy on Thibron during Expiacion. AM3 for both. 250 vit/agi target.

14k Requiescat
44276 Expiacion
51360 Darkness
4614x2=9228 white damage
Total 118,864

30561x2=61122 CDCx2
35450 Light
10920x2=21840 white damage
Total 118,412

So Tizona having marginally more damage in total cycle and having slightly higher WS frequency.

Tizona TP

Expiacion set

Almace TP

CDC

EDIT: Gleti's are all R20, since we have no confirmation that R30 will be ever available.

And I'm using the same tool this time so you can't use that as an excuse. So what you're saying now is, the spreadsheet is wrong and doesn't calculate cycle damage or TP gain properly? Because that's giving me the results I posted. Including TP phase damage, tp/rounds, etc. So it's either that or you changed something after you gave me a link to the capped attack setup you were using. Which is why you're so annoying to deal with, because you can't stay consistent or mention what you changed.

When I used the same gear you just posted, I had the result I posted on the previous page, where I also posted the req set I used for capped attack.

Maybe I missed something since I don't really play anymore. But, why are you using Gleti for Expiacion anyway? Besides maybe the body. Unless the significant amount of attack pushes it ahead of the wsd pieces

How can I change something? When I gave you link, you should make a copy for yourself to snapshot setting you wanted to save/use. I havent made a special copy for you and linked it for you, I linked you my own copy. Are you expecting me to not change anything in my version of sheet? I use it all the time and change things all the time for myself. I gave you all the details you need, so you can set it yourself in your own copy.

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/30626/the-beast-within-a-guide-to-blue-mage/402/#3568720

Which is exactly what I did. But I can't edit it unless I make a copy myself, so if you changed anything in the link and have a different result, I can't see that, so I don't know what you did to get a different result. The only thing I did was make two copies, copy TP sets from 1 to 2, and in the case of CDC, copied WS set 1 to WS set 2. I changed WS set 2 on the Tizona setup to req and posted the gear I used for both situations. The only other thing I did was verify spell sets and buffs were the same, since there was disparities there. So the fact you're getting a different result means you either changed something or believe the spreadsheet is wrong since you insist on the numbers that exclude TP speed.

Perhaps this should be taken to DMs with the hopes of finding a solution. Maybe send Simon your current spreadsheet and identify the differences there. This aggressive back and forth is useless.

Ahh, but DM augments. Mha hart, mah sole

This is bringing me back to the days that I used to argue with you like this Atoreis. Good times.

It wasnt really aggressive beside that low blow about "my sheet". Every time I posted some updated sheet on this forum I have never claimed I made it. Its exactly opposite I many times wrote that I only fixed/updated it. Only things I released with addition of "by SimonSes" are sheets I did by myself like nin hybrid calc or rng and cor ranged white damage calcs.

Yeah I personally also use DM herc head :P

Yeah, I have a 9% on head and feet. Have a weird 5% and 3 TA on body

There aint nothing aggressive about this discussion, stop da feels and let them air it out. They are adults.