The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage

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By Odin.Llewelyn 2015-02-19 02:02:19
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Too OP. Please nerf.
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Does not affect Double Attack or Auto Refresh
Thanks!

For srs, though, curious if that includes Triple Attack since it's technically gained through setting DA.
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By Odin.Brocovich 2015-02-19 02:06:22
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Shiva.Larrymc said: »
O M G

Can I be reading this Blue job gift correctly?
"Job Trait Bonus" Increase Job Traits gained from equipped blue magic by 1. Does not effect Gilfinder, Double Attack, or Auto Refresh.

Did we just get *every* job trait boosted by 1 tier???

Just tested with accuracy and attack bonus... got 22 for only setting tier 1 traits... so looks like we get +1 to all the traits.
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2015-02-19 02:06:50
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Shiva.Larrymc said: »
Did we just get *every* job trait boosted by 1 tier???
The way I interpreted it was like Accuracy Bonus I would just gain 1 more accuracy, not grant us Accuracy Bonus II. Compared to most gifts, increasing by another whole tier would be pretty huge.
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2015-02-19 02:07:51
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Odin.Brocovich said: »
Just tested with accuracy and attack bonus... got 22 for only setting tier 1 traits... so looks like we get +1 to all the traits.
Well, then. That's pretty good. Should see if that includes Dual Wield!
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2015-02-19 02:16:33
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Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Should see if that includes Dual Wield!
Tested myself. Yes, we can get Dual Wield V now.
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By Odin.Brocovich 2015-02-19 02:23:32
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Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Should see if that includes Dual Wield!
Tested myself. Yes, we can get Dual Wield V now.

was about to post my test results... rly nice for things like salvage or dynamis.
guess we get critical attack bonus II too... wonder how it works for triple attack

one thing i just noticed when removing all store TP for my test:
looks like we need only 4 trait points to activate the job trait now
just removed fantod and still had store TP with only sudden lunge... and got counter trait with only o. counterstance
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By Shiva.Zykei 2015-02-19 02:26:51
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Odin.Brocovich said: »
Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Should see if that includes Dual Wield!
Tested myself. Yes, we can get Dual Wield V now.

was about to post my test results... rly nice for things like salvage or dynamis.
guess we get critical attack bonus II too... wonder how it works for triple attack

one thing i just noticed when removing all store TP for my test:
looks like we need only 4 trait points to activate the job trait now
just removed fantod and still had store TP with only sudden lunge... and got counter trait with only o. counterstance
Wut 4 points?!

Either way this seems wayyyy too good compare to everyone's gifts lol.

I'm playing with STP4 atm... Tiz/bura 78TP per hit - 156 a round before multihits...
Are we samurai now?!/s
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By Sylph.Traxus 2015-02-19 02:28:00
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It probably just gives you +8 trait points as long as you have one relevant spell set.
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By Odin.Brocovich 2015-02-19 02:32:44
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just did some tests with other traits... looks like it doesn't work with other traits... killer traits (4) didn't give the traits, however sudden lunge alone gave me store TP

TP without any store TP: 58 TP
TP with only sudden lunge: 63 TP
TP with sudden + fantod: 66 TP
TP with sudden + fantod + tail slap: 66 TP
TP with sudden,fantod,tail slap, sickle slash: 69 TP
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By Odin.Brocovich 2015-02-19 02:34:03
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Sylph.Traxus said: »
It probably just gives you +8 trait points as long as you have one relevant spell set.

this could be possible, ya
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By Shiva.Larrymc 2015-02-19 02:35:50
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I just confirmed this behavior by testing the Accuracy job trait & <checkparam>

4 job trait points, give you the Tier 1 version of the trait.
8 gives you Tier 2 version
16 gives you Tier 3 version
24 gives you Tier 4 version
32 gives you Tier 5 version

Edit: Up to the cap of the trait. Does not work on traits capped at Tier 1 perhaps like killer traits?
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By Sylph.Traxus 2015-02-19 02:36:21
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Odin.Brocovich said: »
just did some tests with other traits... looks like it doesn't work with other traits...

Did you try with any other traits? Killer stuff might just be capped at t1 and not work with the gift.
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By Odin.Brocovich 2015-02-19 02:37:55
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looks like it only work with spells with multiple traits tho
killer effects and rapid shot didn't work for me
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By Shiva.Larrymc 2015-02-19 02:42:43
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Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Too OP. Please nerf.
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Does not affect Double Attack or Auto Refresh
Thanks!

For srs, though, curious if that includes Triple Attack since it's technically gained through setting DA.

Triple Attack T1 is 5%
Triple Attack T2 is 6%

Not remotely overpowered.
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By Shiva.Larrymc 2015-02-19 02:57:50
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Tested Tourbillion on Ashen Tiger in Kamihr Drifts in melee gear, nothing special, no added blue accuracy.

1) It landed.
2) It lasted 90 seconds.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2015-02-19 03:50:36
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extremely strong gift. opens up a lot of set points/slots and possibilities.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2015-02-19 03:51:49
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also, 90s is max at 1000TP. it goes up to 2 mins at 3000. unsurprisingly, this should mean every broken spell now works. 33% DEF down mmm


also #2, doubt triple attack is affected. Treasure Hunter, which is a product of Gilfinder, isn't. Triple Attack probably the same deal. Not that it matters, things like acc bonus, crit attack bonus, dual wield, and store tp being affected is already monumental.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2015-02-19 04:01:14
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heh, pretty cool. Let's just all be clear this is not overpowered and is what BLU deserves, right guys? Be happy and no braggy so that we'll keep these updates.
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By Odin.Brocovich 2015-02-19 04:16:47
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
heh, pretty cool. Let's just all be clear this is not overpowered and is what BLU deserves, right guys? Be happy and no braggy so that we'll keep these updates.

Well, after our single-hit-WS-DD-overlords got 2 WS-DMG +10% pieces we don't have to think about BLU being overpowered...
Even more Rudras/Fudo only....

Edit: looks like the WS-DMG is a misstranslation.
they work like they used to do
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2015-02-19 04:26:44
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The issue with the following blue magic spells wherein the accuracy of their additional effects was incorrect.
Wild Oats / Sandspin / Hecatomb Wave / Maelstrom / Barbed Crescent / Tourbillion



you have no idea how happy I am to see this under Resolved Issues after 3 years
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2015-02-19 08:47:24
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I'm liking this cheap Counter Trait, 2 points for Asuran Claws for a 10% counter? I'll take it.
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By Siren.Kyte 2015-02-19 08:54:50
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Hrrrm, debating on spending the points I saved up on CA SC% or Unbridled buff duration (i.e. Harden Shell).
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2015-02-19 09:10:50
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I'd say Chain Affinity. 10% boost to an already short duration buff isn't much. Only other duration buff is to Verve for a 10% boost to its 15 minute Aquaveil and to that short duration attack/mab boost. Maybe if we had more buffs there it would be worthwhile but right now it just seems meh.
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By Sylph.Traxus 2015-02-19 09:13:45
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If the UL damage gift works on UW that could be pretty good.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2015-02-19 09:17:05
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Yeah, the verbiage makes it sound like it does.

"Increases the damage dealt by blue magic usable under the effects of Unbridled Learning."

All those spells usable from Unbridled Learning are also usable in Wisdom. I've got it 10/10 if anyone wants me to test it out. Not sure what spell/mob best to use to test it though.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2015-02-19 09:22:01
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Well, just tried on Bight Uragnite outside of Adoulin with UL and UW while it was out of its shell. Both hit for 6265 so I'm going to guess it applies to UL and UW.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-02-19 09:26:33
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UL damage is good especially for Uproot, as that's our strongest nuke(does 6k+ with clubs for 88mp compared to 5.8 with crashing thunder for like 3x the cost).
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By Sylph.Traxus 2015-02-19 09:28:55
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Well, just tried on Bight Uragnite outside of Adoulin with UL and UW while it was out of its shell. Both hit for 6265 so I'm going to guess it applies to UL and UW.

Either that or the JP doesn't work at all!

Can anyone check if fast cast now goes to t3 (15>20%), or store TP to t4 (20>25)?

Skillchain bonus and magic burst bonus still need to be tested as well (they never were), but that seems like a pain in the ***.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2015-02-19 09:40:51
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Well, just tried on Bight Uragnite outside of Adoulin with UL and UW while it was out of its shell. Both hit for 6265 so I'm going to guess it applies to UL and UW.

Either that or the JP doesn't work at all!

Can anyone check if fast cast now goes to t3 (15>20%), or store TP to t4 (20>25)?

Skillchain bonus and magic burst bonus still need to be tested as well (they never were), but that seems like a pain in the ***.

Reraise Recast:
No Fast Cast 1:00
Just Wind Breath 0:58
Wind + Bad Breath 0:57
Previous + Flutter 0:55
Previous + Sub-Zero 0:55
Previous + Auroral Drape 0:54


So yeah, 4 tiers, not sure if it's still 0.5 for the first tier or not.

No STP 73
Just Fantod 80
Sudden Lunge + Fantod 83
Previous + Diffusion Ray 87
Previous + Tail Slap + Sickle Slash 91
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By Sylph.Traxus 2015-02-19 09:54:10
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Those are the numbers you'd expect for 5/10/15/20% fast cast so yeah we still start at sub t1.
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