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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2012-04-18 13:00:10
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As Political action group Dogs Against Romney throw everything they can at Mitt Romney for putting his former (circa early 1980s) dog in a kennel on the roof of his car when he would take his 7 member family on vacations, conservatives point out that in his autobiography Obama tells tales of actually eating dog meat while he was growing up across the world. Officials from Dogs Against Romney have called the move "desperate".

I can't stop laughing... I have officially reached my saturation level in american political theater and its only April.
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By Asura.Daleterrence 2012-04-18 13:01:48
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This will end well.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-04-18 13:19:01
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Welcome to politics, where campaigns are more "look what he did!" than they are of "this is what I will do when I become president"
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By Jetackuu 2012-04-18 13:22:35
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because animal cruelty = eating an animal.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-04-18 13:30:23
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I would never, ever, ever, consider putting my dog in a kennel on the roof of a car.

But. Just about every day in the summer, I see dogs in the beds of pickup trucks. (Shoot, see plenty of kids, too.) Neither case offers any real protection in any kind of accident outside of extreme slow speeds (that wouldn't hurt anyone anyway.) But the back of a pickup is unsafe even in sudden starts/stops. And, according to the story, Romney strapped the kennel to the roof rack and built a special windscreen for it. So while I'm disagreeing with what he did, to me, I've seen worse hundreds of times, and I don't see what the gigantic deal is.

As far as the dog-meat goes... well, that dog died so someone could eat it. No one actually killed Romney's dog (to my knowledge.) But then again, I love me some cow, so...

Cerberus.Kalyna said: »
Welcome to politics, where campaigns are more "look what he did!" than they are of "this is what I will do when I become president"

At least we know that Seamus rode on the roof and that Obama had some dog meat. "If elected, I will..." just seems to always be dreams/lies anyway.
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By Drjones 2012-04-18 13:30:31
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This seems like an appropriate place for this: http://hankforsenate.com/Default.aspx

^ Seriously considering voting for that candidate too.
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By Asura.Daleterrence 2012-04-18 13:36:07
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Drjones said: »
This seems like an appropriate place for this: http://hankforsenate.com/Default.aspx

^ Seriously considering voting for that candidate too.

So, first I like; ":|"

Then I clicked the link and :D'd
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By Ragnarok.Eluveitie 2012-04-18 13:37:46
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This kind of crap is why i quit voting for anything/anyone 10+ years ago.
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By Lakshmi.Jesi 2012-04-18 13:50:25
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Ragnarok.Eluveitie said: »
This kind of crap is why i quit voting for anything/anyone 10+ years ago.

You sure it's not just because you are lazy?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-04-18 13:53:44
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I plan on eating some pork later tonight so does that constitute animal cruelty?

I mean pigs are soooooo cute you couldn't possibly eat th.....BACON!
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By Jetackuu 2012-04-18 13:54:46
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
I plan on eating some pork later tonight so does that constitute animal cruelty?

I mean pigs are soooooo cute you couldn't possibly eat th.....BACON!


mmm Bacon, oh noes PETA may come after me...
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2012-04-18 14:09:43
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I mean people let their dogs roam free in the back of a pickup truck driving down the highway, not really cruel. People also put their dogs in kennels in the cargo holds of planes when they fly, also not really cruel.

How is putting one in a kennel on top of your loaded car (remember 7 people are riding inside it) cruel?
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By Sylph.Siccmade 2012-04-18 14:14:42
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I know some people who came to the U.S. from Micronesia and one guy talked about eating dog as it is apparently at least somewhat commonplace. We were having some drinks and walking my pal's dog to the store and this dude started making gestures and talking like the dog looked delicious.

He was kidding of course but it was pretty gross and creepy /cultureshock.
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2012-04-18 14:16:18
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Savvy politicians must also consider that these stories actually appeal to the small, but possibly significant, dog-hating/dog-abusing/dog-eating voter population. :p

By denying these events took place, Obama and Romney might be missing out on that potential block of voters. It's understandable that for now they just want to down-play it all to appear more moderate in their dog-related platforms. ^_-
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2012-04-18 14:21:27
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Fenrir.Schutz said: »
Savvy politicians must also consider that these stories actually appeal to the small, but possibly significant, dog-hating/dog-abusing/dog-eating voter population. :p

By denying these events took place, Obama and Romney might be missing out on that potential block of voters. It's understandable that for now they just want to down-play it all to appear more moderate in their dog-related platforms. ^_-

you know, there is probably someone in some campaign corner that got paid today (probably 100s of dollars) for crafting an analysis quite similar to that.

have you ever considered a newfound career in politics?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-04-18 14:41:06
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
I mean people let their dogs roam free in the back of a pickup truck driving down the highway, not really cruel. People also put their dogs in kennels in the cargo holds of planes when they fly, also not really cruel.

How is putting one in a kennel on top of your loaded car (remember 7 people are riding inside it) cruel?

I'm no dog whisperer but an animal in a crate going 60 mph down the freeway might be pretty terrified with all the shaking, vibration and wind up top there. Worse, with no option to get out panic sets in. Yeah, dogs can panic just like humans.

Sure, a dog may stick its head out the window to catch a breeze but it also has the option to stop. As I recall Romney's dog ***itself because it was scared and Romney's answer was to stop, clean up the mess and continue driving? Pretty stupid and thoughtless move for an animal you profess to love and care for.

I give Romney the benefit of the doubt regarding his actions on this dog issue because he's said far more damaging things but I can see where people get the "cruelty" argument from.

Even on planes certain breeds are not accepted and with Romney wealth he couldn't secure a flight for the dog or rent a bigger car that could fit the dog inside? Cmon, you're Mitt-freakin-Romney for crying out loud.
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By Ragnarok.Kongming 2012-04-18 15:04:21
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I think taking your dog on your family vacations is pretty absurd as it is. You know he has the money for it, and they have animal kennel places to watch your dog while you're gone (and quite fancy ones at that) for precisely this reason.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2012-04-18 15:11:16
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Sure, a dog may stick its head out the window to catch a breeze but it also has the option to stop. As I recall Romney's dog ***itself because it was scared and Romney's answer was to stop, clean up the mess and continue driving? Pretty stupid and thoughtless move for an animal you profess to love and care for.

A) The story is reported that his dog got sick on one particular occasion and that was due to eating raw turkey some time prior to the embarkation. Romney stats he did this on numerous occasions. The sickness wasn't caused by being on top of the car.

B) Romney's own accounting (what else should we go by?) is that the dog loved being on top of the car, is that really so hard to believe? Or rather is it more convenient to disbelieve it because of ones own political beliefs?

C) However "cruel" it is to take a dog with you on vacation that way, how can one deny the cruelty involved with EATING them?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2012-04-18 15:12:07
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Ragnarok.Kongming said: »
I think taking your dog on your family vacations is pretty absurd as it is. You know he has the money for it, and they have animal kennel places to watch your dog while you're gone (and quite fancy ones at that) for precisely this reason.

I don't believe they had very many fancy kennels back in 1983
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-04-18 15:14:17
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Ragnarok.Kongming said: »
I think taking your dog on your family vacations is pretty absurd as it is. You know he has the money for it, and they have animal kennel places to watch your dog while you're gone (and quite fancy ones at that) for precisely this reason.

He probably took the dog because the kids wanted their furry friend along with them and that's fine normal family adventure stuff.

But he couldn't rent an SUV to transport them all inside? I'm all for managing personal finances and being cheap but this is Mitt Romney, the guy that makes thousand dollar bets we're talking about here.

Have Anne drive alongside in one of the Cadillacs or something?

I just chalk this up to a stupid decision on his part. We all have our herpaderp moments.
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By Bahamut.Nixak 2012-04-18 15:18:32
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By Jetackuu 2012-04-18 15:18:32
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Sure, a dog may stick its head out the window to catch a breeze but it also has the option to stop. As I recall Romney's dog ***itself because it was scared and Romney's answer was to stop, clean up the mess and continue driving? Pretty stupid and thoughtless move for an animal you profess to love and care for.

A) The story is reported that his dog got sick on one particular occasion and that was due to eating raw turkey some time prior to the embarkation. Romney stats he did this on numerous occasions. The sickness wasn't caused by being on top of the car.

B) Romney's own accounting (what else should we go by?) is that the dog loved being on top of the car, is that really so hard to believe? Or rather is it more convenient to disbelieve it because of ones own political beliefs?

C) However "cruel" it is to take a dog with you on vacation that way, how can one deny the cruelty involved with EATING them?

how is it cruel to eat animals?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2012-04-18 15:23:27
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Ragnarok.Kongming said: »
I think taking your dog on your family vacations is pretty absurd as it is. You know he has the money for it, and they have animal kennel places to watch your dog while you're gone (and quite fancy ones at that) for precisely this reason.

He probably took the dog because the kids wanted their furry friend along with them and that's fine normal family adventure stuff.

But he couldn't rent an SUV to transport them all inside? I'm all for managing personal finances and being cheap but this is Mitt Romney, the guy that makes thousand dollar bets we're talking about here.

Have Anne drive alongside in one of the Cadillacs or something?

I just chalk this up to a stupid decision on his part. We all have our herpaderp moments.

I don't think Mitt Romney had the wealth he had today back in 1983. And I don't even think there were big huge SUVs back then either.

...and if you think it's the notion of taking your dog away with you on vacations is absurd, how can you think its reasonable to take an additional car along JUST for the dog?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-04-18 15:25:48
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
A) The story is reported that his dog got sick on one particular occasion and that was due to eating raw turkey some time prior to the embarkation. Romney stats he did this on numerous occasions. The sickness wasn't caused by being on top of the car.

B) Romney's own accounting (what else should we go by?) is that the dog loved being on top of the car, is that really so hard to believe? Or rather is it more convenient to disbelieve it because of ones own political beliefs?

C) However "cruel" it is to take a dog with you on vacation that way, how can one deny the cruelty involved with EATING them?

What part of "I give Mitt Romney the benefit of the doubt" isn't ringing in here? He made a stupid decision to put his dog on top of the roof and it has become news. This could have all been averted had he just rented a bigger vehicle but he didn't and so the stupid decision happened. Who cares? I certainly am not making a big stink of this and it's ***tier politics to say the least.

Next we'll be discussing how Obama frequently leaves the toilet seat up on Air Force One and thus hates women.

Also, spare me the stupidity of EATING (your caps, not mine) a dog when it wasn't Obamas' pet to begin with and he happened to be a boy at that. In Indonesia eating dog is quite normal and we don't typically judge people on their actions as a child do we?

Unless we're looking to do anything to dirty up the other side.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2012-04-18 15:25:50
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Is our nation so *** dense, that with the myriad problems we have, we focus on what some old *** did to his dog in the *** 80's?
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By Asura.Ina 2012-04-18 15:25:57
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Sure, a dog may stick its head out the window to catch a breeze but it also has the option to stop. As I recall Romney's dog ***itself because it was scared and Romney's answer was to stop, clean up the mess and continue driving? Pretty stupid and thoughtless move for an animal you profess to love and care for.

A) The story is reported that his dog got sick on one particular occasion and that was due to eating raw turkey some time prior to the embarkation. Romney stats he did this on numerous occasions. The sickness wasn't caused by being on top of the car.

B) Romney's own accounting (what else should we go by?) is that the dog loved being on top of the car, is that really so hard to believe? Or rather is it more convenient to disbelieve it because of ones own political beliefs?

C) However "cruel" it is to take a dog with you on vacation that way, how can one deny the cruelty involved with EATING them?
The US culture is not the only one in the world you know, theres some out there that would probably look at keeping pets as cruel. In india (I think) cows are sacred we eat them regularly here. I personally could not bring myself to eat dog, but that doesn't meen I should look down on those who do.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2012-04-18 15:30:18
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Jetackuu said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Sure, a dog may stick its head out the window to catch a breeze but it also has the option to stop. As I recall Romney's dog ***itself because it was scared and Romney's answer was to stop, clean up the mess and continue driving? Pretty stupid and thoughtless move for an animal you profess to love and care for.

A) The story is reported that his dog got sick on one particular occasion and that was due to eating raw turkey some time prior to the embarkation. Romney stats he did this on numerous occasions. The sickness wasn't caused by being on top of the car.

B) Romney's own accounting (what else should we go by?) is that the dog loved being on top of the car, is that really so hard to believe? Or rather is it more convenient to disbelieve it because of ones own political beliefs?

C) However "cruel" it is to take a dog with you on vacation that way, how can one deny the cruelty involved with EATING them?

how is it cruel to eat animals?

I don't think its very cruel to slaughter animals myself, but I don't think its at all cruel to transport them on top of a car in a kennel either. However if one associates pain or suffering with cruelty which is why people would have you believe Mitt Romney is cruel then one must logically assume any animal slaughtered for feed goes through an at least equal if not higher degree of pain and suffering when its killed.

You don't really buy any of the "Humanely" killed BS do you?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-04-18 15:33:07
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You realize there is a difference between an animal you voluntarily sign up to take care of and run of the mill animals that are raised to be eaten right?
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By Jetackuu 2012-04-18 15:33:32
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doesn't matter how it was killed, eating it isn't cruel.

Doesn't matter if how it died was cruel or not, now if you're saying he killed the dog, and tossed it on the grill, you'd have a case.

As for people and animals in cars, most of the people I know ride around with a lose animal in the car, and as far as I'm concerned they all need their damn head examined.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2012-04-18 15:35:35
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Asura.Ina said: »
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Sure, a dog may stick its head out the window to catch a breeze but it also has the option to stop. As I recall Romney's dog ***itself because it was scared and Romney's answer was to stop, clean up the mess and continue driving? Pretty stupid and thoughtless move for an animal you profess to love and care for.

A) The story is reported that his dog got sick on one particular occasion and that was due to eating raw turkey some time prior to the embarkation. Romney stats he did this on numerous occasions. The sickness wasn't caused by being on top of the car.

B) Romney's own accounting (what else should we go by?) is that the dog loved being on top of the car, is that really so hard to believe? Or rather is it more convenient to disbelieve it because of ones own political beliefs?

C) However "cruel" it is to take a dog with you on vacation that way, how can one deny the cruelty involved with EATING them?
The US culture is not the only one in the world you know, theres some out there that would probably look at keeping pets as cruel. In india (I think) cows are sacred we eat them regularly here. I personally could not bring myself to eat dog, but that doesn't meen I should look down on those who do.

But you'll look down on a guy who put his dog in a kennel on top of his car? Maybe its his culture to do so.
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