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By Siren.Mosin 2013-02-25 12:31:48
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Carbuncle.Sterling said: »
Due to the large amount of magic mobs my friends have been needing kills on lately I've started working on a set of pet magic defense bonus axes. Has anyone completed these and tried them out yet? I know Gooey is a good pet for magic mobs but I still find him getting his rear handed to him often enough to warrant making these.

I made them.

was it worth it?

idk.

sure as hell helped me solo jailer of faith 40+ times. unfortunately I haven't took them out since. :/

I guess all I have been doing on bst lately is dyna, so usefulness since is kind of hard to say. performance wise, I wasn't let down I guess.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2013-02-25 14:01:29
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sets im using with my current gear options, they are all situational swap between them when needed. the x2 astalfo are pet pdt x2 and the 3rd one is dex/acc

here

im still undecided on making a guttler or just waiting to see how they adjust mythics and going after aymur
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By Valefor.Houppelande 2013-02-25 14:15:11
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
im still undecided
NO U ETC
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-02-25 14:37:46
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Who said they were adjusting mythics?
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By Valefor.Endoq 2013-02-25 14:40:41
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Phoenix.Kaparu said: »
Who said they were adjusting mythics?
as far as i know they wont ever be fixed to match their difficulty to obtain, im just holding my breath is all.....
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-02-25 14:48:36
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Salvage2.0 was the only conceivable "fix"

Waiting for people to finish it/Adoulin to get here is about the worst possible decision you can make

If you want one, make it now
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By Shiva.Paulu 2013-02-25 15:07:22
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Now is gonna be the best time to buy alex while people are spamming salvage2 for their plans. Once the first few waves of people finish their gear the supply will slowly dwindle again.
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-02-25 15:14:10
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On the flip side, it seems that a bunch of folks on my server thought the same thing and are now making mythics, so when they are done, supply could go up. Alex prices on my server have only gone down by about 2k since Salvage2 came out... seems hard to guess where the price will land.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-02-25 15:39:32
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Supply likely will go back to what it was pre-update around the time that Adoulin debuts. Between people finishing up with Salvage gear and shiny new distractions, this influx of currency probably won't last
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By Siren.Attaxia 2013-02-27 06:10:16
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Ramaza said: »
Decided to post it in here instead of making a new thread.



This is kinda what I'm aiming for right now; never been a fan of the hybrid thing. The Astolfo is a STR Astolfo. Thoughts?
DA+11% Ganelon is a better offhand for Guttler than STR Astolfo.

A Dual wield build is great for maximum DD potential when /NIN but a good DA/Haste build works better with /DNC which is generally the preferred subjob for BST. If you find yourself using /DNC all the time you would be better off with a Augmented Armadaberk, Twilight belt and Ferine+2 feet.

While you may not be a fan of Hybrid sets, they are necessary to maximise combined master/pet damage output in situations where your targets are on the low side (e.x EP Dyna, Salvage V1).
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By Valefor.Lisamarie 2013-02-27 09:18:28
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Take off double attack gear if you're using KClub.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2013-02-27 10:12:08
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Valefor.Lisamarie said: »
Take off double attack gear if you're using KClub.
this off the double attack page on wiki confuses me...
" Kraken Club is never affected by Double Attack if its "Attacks 2 to 8 Times" effect proc's, though it will increase the amount of hits per round"
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By Siren.Attaxia 2013-02-27 10:37:56
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Because if Kraken Club's effect doesn't proc (i.e hits once), it can double attack, thus increasing hits per round slightly. Because Kraken Clubs effect procs very often, the effect of double attack on gear is greatly diminished compared to using two "normal" weapons.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-02-27 11:50:05
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Keep Brutal on with Guttler
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By Ramaza 2013-02-27 15:03:31
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Siren.Attaxia said: »
Ramaza said: »
Decided to post it in here instead of making a new thread.



This is kinda what I'm aiming for right now; never been a fan of the hybrid thing. The Astolfo is a STR Astolfo. Thoughts?
DA+11% Ganelon is a better offhand for Guttler than STR Astolfo.

A Dual wield build is great for maximum DD potential when /NIN but a good DA/Haste build works better with /DNC which is generally the preferred subjob for BST. If you find yourself using /DNC all the time you would be better off with a Augmented Armadaberk, Twilight belt and Ferine+2 feet.

While you may not be a fan of Hybrid sets, they are necessary to maximise combined master/pet damage output in situations where your targets are on the low side (e.x EP Dyna, Salvage V1).

Not really building this set for /DNC as I rarely use the subjob for anything other than dynamis, solo and salvage 1, which I don't do so much these days. This was more a higher end set for monsters that actually fight back. And I find that focusing on a decent master build for myself is better than hybrid sets for EP/DC anyway since I seem to proc on the 2nd-3rd cycle of JA procs for dynamis >>> WS >>> Snarl >>>> let a Familiar'd falcorr with augmented +2 Mst. trousers clean up the rest while I move on to the next 1.

I'll try plugging in some more stuff to the Motenten spread sheets and see what I get. I haven't finished my Ganelon yet, and I don't own a K.club.
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By Otomis 2013-03-07 11:42:29
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Ramaza said: »
Decided to post it in here instead of making a new thread.



This is kinda what I'm aiming for right now; never been a fan of the hybrid thing. The Astolfo is a STR Astolfo. Thoughts?
Siren.Attaxia said: »
Augmented Armadaberk, Twilight belt and Ferine+2 feet.
Armadaberk(Perfect Aug +6 STP, +3 DBL)

Aye, this set will pull ahead of Skadi+1 Body set.

However you will gain about near same DPS results in a haste set using:
Sigyn Body + Sigyn Head + Twilight Belt. If you do not already have a perfectly Augmented Armadaberk. Not having the - Eva as well as enhanced with a little subtle blow Saves more tp to use WS - Saves pet food in the long run if pet is tanking.

EDIT: Hagneia Stone will also give you a nice boost: did sets using DC nightmare mobs as a base.

Then again this sets beats the other 2 by forcing crit rate.
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By Ragnarok.Hatberg 2013-03-08 07:45:27
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I've been trying to model theoretical max TP and WS sets based on fodder mobs based on DPS spreadsheet and was able to generate the following sets based on solo gameplay.

TP Max Outside (Killer Off)

TP Max Outside (Killer On)

WS Ruinator Outside (Killer Off)

WS Ruinator Outside (Killer On)


Unfortunately the spreadsheet does not take into consideration:
- AF3+2 bonus
- Pet DPS (And as such, the importance of Ferine Necklace and Moepapa Stone)

Does anyone know if it's actually worth it to use Ferine/Moepapa or AF3+2 instead of the above mentioned items for overall DPS? Are there any other general flaws in the above sets that I'm failing to see?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Scruffyballs 2013-03-08 09:45:38
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I keep seeing master TP sets being posted, but for over all DPS wouldn't a Hybrid give you more?

Something like:
Anwig w/ haste, Moepapa, Skadi hands+1
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Sigyn's Visor, Twilight Belt, Nomkahpa
(difference being something like, 14pet haste, 3 str, -vs- 2 triple attack, 5 dbl attack)

Also, for offhand axes.
Gutter - STR Astolfo, DA Ganelon, OAT, OA4, Something else?
STR Astolfo - ''
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By Cerberus.Bikpik 2013-03-08 10:16:43
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Ragnarok.Hatberg said: »
I've been trying to model theoretical max TP and WS sets based on fodder mobs based on DPS spreadsheet and was able to generate the following sets based on solo gameplay.

TP Max Outside (Killer Off)

TP Max Outside (Killer On)

WS Ruinator Outside (Killer Off)

WS Ruinator Outside (Killer On)


Unfortunately the spreadsheet does not take into consideration:
- AF3+2 bonus
- Pet DPS (And as such, the importance of Ferine Necklace and Moepapa Stone)

Does anyone know if it's actually worth it to use Ferine/Moepapa or AF3+2 instead of the above mentioned items for overall DPS? Are there any other general flaws in the above sets that I'm failing to see?

I was playing around with that too, and I actually get higher DPS switching in Toci's and HQ head for TP:


and using this set for WS



DA axe mainhand fire axe sub, using DC dyna mobs for target
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By Ragnarok.Hatberg 2013-03-08 10:17:44
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Quetzalcoatl.Scruffyballs said: »
I keep seeing master TP sets being posted, but for over all DPS wouldn't a Hybrid give you more?

Something like:
Anwig w/ haste, Moepapa, Skadi hands+1
vs
Sigyn's Visor, Twilight Belt, Nomkahpa
(difference being something like, 14pet haste, 3 str, -vs- 2 triple attack, 5 dbl attack)

Also, for offhand axes.
Gutter - STR Astolfo, DA Ganelon, OAT, OA4, Something else?
STR Astolfo - ''

I would say that Anwig Salade wouldn't beat Sigyn's Visor, even though the displayed sets are 3% over haste cap.

If you would incorporate Moepapa Stone and Ferine Necklace you, the actual trade off would be:
+4 accuracy
+7 attack
-5 double attack
+2 pet: double attack
(master haste still stays at cap)

My gut feeling is that 5 master double attack is more valuable, especially as your axes get better. (I've calculated the set versus my own weapons: Ganelon DA + Astolfos STR).
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By Ragnarok.Hatberg 2013-03-08 10:25:06
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Cerberus.Bikpik said: »
I was playing around with that too, and I actually get higher DPS switching in Toci's and HQ head for TP:


and using this set for WS



DA axe mainhand fire axe sub, using DC dyna mobs for target

I seem to have missed Cheruski Needle in the sheet, which is a definite upgrade on WS. Spreadsheet didn't take Toci Set Bonus into account, I'll try to compare this addition to different monster targets.
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By Cerberus.Bikpik 2013-03-08 10:32:18
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Ragnarok.Hatberg said: »

I seem to have missed Cheruski Needle in the sheet, which is a definite upgrade on WS. Spreadsheet didn't take Toci Set Bonus into account, I'll try to compare this addition to different monster targets.

On the data tab, you can put in stats manually, well I think that's what it's used for anyways, I put in 3% under TA
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By Chimerawizard 2013-03-08 10:39:24
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Cheruski Needle > Flame Sachetbeaten
want to say you have ruinator back pieces switched

TP sets, <3 that the piece I got rated down so much for is in that set.
Skadi +1 pants have haste+6 on them so I would be curious how that maths out on the spreadsheet with that added on.
I would personally prefer a rancor collar so long as I am not tanking, does that beat rancor on paper if you include the dps of WSs?

I definately prefer a hybrid set with pet: 17% haste (27 with familiar active). I normally use twilight torque since I tank more than my pet. here's what i've come up with so far. (don't actually have, just dream set)
I have stp+6 & dbl.atk+2 armada atm and broken computer so I can't play, so when empy+2 body not active, I don't know which is better:
Armada, Skadi+1, Sigyn, Toci's or Porthos...


edit:
another thought

When Ferine body +2 active, what is the best food to use?
red curry bun or w/e cookie has killer effect +12% (6% damage to normal mobs, 4% to NMs)

Decided 5% master > 4% pet haste
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By Quetzalcoatl.Falkirk 2013-03-08 10:54:36
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Red Curry Bun.

For your non-Killer effect body choices, I'm seeing this vs Dynamis DC:
Porthos Byrnie > Armadaberk (3% DA, 6 STP) > Sigyn's Cuirie > Armadaberk (2% DA, 6 STP) > Skadi's Cuirie +1 > Toci's Harness > Ferine Gausape +2
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By Siren.Attaxia 2013-03-13 12:29:21
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
reward
Your set contains 58% Reward potency, the cap is 50%.

The two most sensible/practical Reward sets:
Disregard TP gain

(Astolfo is MDB with MND+11)

TP loss not wanted

In either case, you could swap in Twilight mail or alternatively Kirin's osode if there are no status ailments on your pet to boost your potency a little.

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I keep seeing master TP sets being posted, but for over all DPS wouldn't a Hybrid give you more?
Like many, many gear set ups in FFXI it is situational which comes out on top. In the case of Master/pet hybrid VS master focused builds the effectiveness of each respective build is determined by comparing your damage relative to your pet. The two main considerations should be:

1, The buffs you have
2, Target enemy levels

We know that when you are fighting EP targets in Dyna your pet will greatly out-damage you. We also know that if you are in voidwatch in the BRD and COR party you will greatly out-damage your pet. What we don't know is at what exact point in mob levels or buffs active that you will need to swap pet/master hybrid gear in order to maximise master/pet DD potential. As such, for situations where you can't be certain, the "simplest" way to find out would be to parse using a consistent reference and thereafter use your own judgement based on your findings.

It's interesting how there are many different conclusions for maximum potential TP sets. I personally can't get any of the mentioned TP sets to beat these on the spreadsheet:

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By Otomis 2013-03-16 00:47:35
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@Siren.Attaxia

Not sure many Bst are dropping 250+M on Feet there. But in long run hybrid set probably best as you stated. Speaking of which (staying under items worth 20+ Mil, As Avg player I do not think spends gil like this), What is the best hybrid set for Bst? Esp. For being most effective in dyna. I personally farm Thf but have considered putting some work into mule on his Bst for days when I might farm it 2x. Interested in input for maximizing his out put on Bst. Currently in close to the crappiest gear you could see on a Bst I can do about 160 on mule. I know it is horrid >.>
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By Siren.Attaxia 2013-03-16 04:14:48
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Otomis said: »
Not sure many Bst are dropping 250+M on Feet there.
Not many, you're correct. But when you consider how many 99 Guttlers there are it's really not much different in terms of gil:dmg, especially since Huginn feet - unlike Guttler - can be used by different jobs. Regardless, I was putting some ideas forward for a theoretical maximum TP set, difficulty in obtaining items in the set is irrelevant.

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Armada feet can be augmented with up to 4% pet haste

This is probably your best bet for a Hybrid set. Another important part of a Hybrid set - and for non-hybrid sets for that matter - is Monster Trousers +2. Augmented, they give 10% haste to pet for 40mins when you use Familiar. Creating a set like this one and owning a pair of Monster trousers will give a total of 27% pet haste 23% master haste.

Bare in mind that using this set and fighting EPs your pet will be doing alot of damage, heel may be necessary in order to stop your pet killing targets before you can stagger them. A second stagger mule as THF or DNC is extremely useful in ensuring that you can stagger them without the use of such measures, if this is not an option, you may be better off on DCs.

I'd be interested to see what sort of currency #s solo BST can put out since the pet TH nerf, I doubt it would be more efficient than certain other jobs solo but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Falkirk 2013-03-16 07:04:44
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Siren.Attaxia said: »
Another important part of a Hybrid set - and for non-hybrid sets for that matter - is Monster Trousers +2. Augmented, they give 10% haste to pet for 40mins when you use Familiar.

Just wanted to say that this is a common misconception - the 10% Haste lasts for the full duration of the jug pet, similar to the 10% HP boost. The "40 minutes" only relates to the increased Charm Duration that familiar gives. :)

Nice set, and thank you for pointing out that Cheruski Needle is a superior ammo option over Hagneia. Didn't realize that. ^^ Cheers~
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By Siren.Attaxia 2013-03-16 07:24:35
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Quetzalcoatl.Falkirk said: »
Siren.Attaxia said: »
Another important part of a Hybrid set - and for non-hybrid sets for that matter - is Monster Trousers +2. Augmented, they give 10% haste to pet for 40mins when you use Familiar.

Just wanted to say that this is a common misconception - the 10% Haste lasts for the full duration of the jug pet, similar to the 10% HP boost. The "40 minutes" only relates to the increased Charm Duration that familiar gives. :)
I had secretly hoped that this was the case, but (wrongly) assumed otherwise, thank you for this info!
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By Cerberus.Bikpik 2013-03-16 07:28:50
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Quetzalcoatl.Falkirk said: »
Siren.Attaxia said: »
Another important part of a Hybrid set - and for non-hybrid sets for that matter - is Monster Trousers +2. Augmented, they give 10% haste to pet for 40mins when you use Familiar.

Just wanted to say that this is a common misconception - the 10% Haste lasts for the full duration of the jug pet, similar to the 10% HP boost. The "40 minutes" only relates to the increased Charm Duration that familiar gives. :)

Nice set, and thank you for pointing out that Cheruski Needle is a superior ammo option over Hagneia. Didn't realize that. ^^ Cheers~

Do you need to leave them on or just for familiar?
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