Random Question Thread (FFXI Related)

Even if it's pricy, buying regular equipment is a one and done. Hoxne Ampulla is more like a subscription. In the long run it will cost you more than a kraken club.

Comments like this only demonstrate how detached some peoples FFXI reality is from the one of the average joe.

That's not really a problem with the ampulla as much as the player attitude. If someone's asking for R25+ nyame to do an event or whatever other silly req, that still has a time/economic value. For the cost of one path C rostam (another silly shout req), you could buy the ampulla and repeat every ody v25 where it applies until you cleared it. You'd probably have gil leftover, too.

I know exactly zero people who are buying gil to fund their ampulla addiction. My impression is that it's mostly used by serious endgame players who are already getting 1.5mil a day from segment farms and people who are stuck on the ladder. Gearing one new job costs more than using the ampulla for months would.

Yes, gil sinks are good for RMT. It's possible the Ampulla ranks highly on them, but I suspect it's less than you think. The 1.1m npc mats that go into damn near every useful synth and many upgrades are probably 5x the sink ampulla is on a serverwide basis. It's still an extra sink, and I still like that. But, to be clear, gil sinks are also beneficial for most players.. do you want them to avoid things that help you because they also help RMT?

Put another way: if it didn't consume gil but was on the rarity of kraken club and cost nearly a billion gil would you still complain about it? It's a very powerful item that provides creep allowing players to complete content they would've failed damage checks on previously. You can get immediate access to it for only ~50m and use it for ages before you get anywhere near that price.

The problem isnt the whales burning their gil, what people do with their gil is their own business, its when the PuG's start demanding it like ML50 or a stage 5 prime.

I've joined plenty of groups, statics, 9b runs, segment farms, climbs, with everyone from high end players to complete newbs. The mindset among the vast majority is that using ampulla is still kinda taboo "DUDE YOU'RE PAYING FOR DAMAGE???? GAAAASSSP", and nobody has yet even mentioned it in any groups or shouts I have ever seen. I haven't even seen scrubs who could benefit heavily from it use it. Everyone still believe it "drains your gil and you'll end up with zero" (categorically untrue, fake.news, broke numbers down, it's very little money spent per event, compared to food/meds you pay for).

I've never seen a single shout for ml50 or stage 5 prime, and I'm on Asura.

I don't think we're going to ever get to the point where people demand it in shouts, it's a tool for those who want to enjoy the increase, but it's not a measure of anything the average player would be interested in splurging on. I've also never seen a single shout for kraken club job in all my years playing. It's just not gonna happen (there will be one idiot that does, but that's an idiot who is getting carried anyways).

Going back to the Ashera vs Limbus body for BRD, I was 0/250+ on Gin, plus god knows how many trove attempts with friends.
Got limbus body, Ashera dropped the next day in trove. lol

Working as intended.

Imagine the reverse effect:

You go to fight a V25 xevioso. You tell your teammate they should use a hoxne ampulla. They refuse to use it because they don't want to spend the gil. You time out at 3%.

Don't you think you'd feel like the ultimate dumbass for not spending 200k on a win? Or wouldn't you be pissed that this moron threw away your win to save himself the cost of like...a stack of grape daifuku+1?

It's not wife changing money, people.

It's the same thing as people using NQ food and refusing to eat panacea because you have a WHM. Well, when you wipe you can blame it on their cheapness.

I'm sure there are people using it on segments. ***, I used it for a mythic WS trial. Some people have more gil than they need. I don't see how that's in any way relevant to your decisions though. Nobody's forcing you to use hoxne on segments or limbus runs just because the Joneses did.

In cases like that if youre really so tight for cash, just pool some money as a group, same as the guy who spent/made the aoe food to use for an event. Team game

Mail order bride?

We all have access to the Asura shout panel. We’ve seen the ML50 and/or S5 prime requirements. They may be fewer and further between, likely because the majority of the players who can meet those requirements don't need PuGs, but to say its never happened is a weak attempt at gaslighting.

People VASTLY overestimate how much money you spend with Hoxne Ampulla for normal content. I was in a discord with my old static who felt "spending a mil for a 9b run is not worth it to me". They were wildly off. The cost is much less than the stack of Panaceas you're required to bring to heal yourselves.

In a typical PUG Sortie 8b run, I see a drop in like 150k~240k depending on how weak the other DDs are. If I have to clear the entire D-boss room because I'm waiting for the others (may as well get metal), or if the bosses take longer (B/H fetters running away etc) due to others not being as strong or the other DD dies, the price could be on the higher end. If everyone is pulling their weight, the cost is quite low/reasonable. You don't really swing that much to drain like a mil per event, most damage nowadays are your WS, and you get a handful in per boss.

In my last Apollyon, I had like 100+ WS on DRG. 100k gil for the WS part of your damage. I don't have a way to parse how many melee swings and jumps were done, but the total upper end was like 350k or something. I might do 3 Sorties a week and 3-6 climbs a week. Segments maybe 4x a month. (I don't use ampulla in swart farming). Peculiar Foes once per month if I remember to pop ampulla on NIN or whatever. Total cost at the end of the month is something like 5m that I never notice because it's covered in a month of sparks or one vd ambu or 2-3 seg runs or half a stack of swarts I sell 3x a month.

Now I don't need the extra damage for random trash content, especially Limbus. But I choose to use the ampulla because it's fun (more damage is fun). I wouldn't advocate people who are hard up for gil to use it, but I also don't think it's nearly as expensive if used on an as-needed basis either. Ironically, if more people in a group are using Hoxne Ampulla, each individual person spends less gil. And if you are a struggling player looking to improve your damage, you could argue Ampulla would boost their damage a lot (though chances are if they are struggling, they can't afford the on-demand cost).

*And for all of the complaining about how terrible and boring Limbus is, you'd think people would want to get it over with faster. I'll gladly pay virtual currency to be done Limbus 45 seconds sooner, so I can head on over to the bathroom, cover up the walls and blow my brains out for suffering through that nonsense. ***, I'd pop Ampulla 10x a climb if it meant I could stack bonuses and get 100% QA and be done climbs quicker.

Sit in town at my desk while working all day shout watching, and I have never seen a ML50 shout for anything. But if there was one asking for those requirements, it's almost immediately met with shouts trolling the person.

Now, you see plenty of "Prime DD" "Nyame R25+" shouts, but those are mostly buzz words intended to filter out certain players, and even those are minimal (most shouting for that are advanced players who don't want to waste time, so I get it).

ML50/Stage5 prime is not something a normal PUG party leader can reasonably shout for, because then why are you shouting instead of pulling players from your discord groups? I don't see those shouts, and I'm online every single day reading logs deciding which shouts I could join; that's not gaslighting. What's gaslighting is saying you can catch those "fewer and further" in between ML50/St5 prime shouts through a shout portal that's constantly inundated with RMT shouts non-stop.

This is what I see in my log for nearly all shouts during the day (i filter all RMT activity so I only see legitimate shouts):



I'm impressed people can read these logs and catch the few ML50 st5 prime shouts between this garbled mess.