OAT.
2-4 doesn't have a good enough spread to justify its aweful damage.
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OAT or 2-4 magian?
OAT.
2-4 doesn't have a good enough spread to justify its aweful damage. Shiva.Cloudie said: » have seen previous post about the OAT being awesome Where? Everything I've seen and read has supported the fact that those weps are terrible. Offline
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oat weapons kinda suck, I have the 2-4 scythe, and the proc rate isnt that good, idk why i worked on 2-4hit scythe, i guess I was bored, but the only use ive gotten out of it is having infinite mp using entropy as drk/rdm......
as for gsword resolution build, youd probably be better off with the double attack(not oat) gsword, or the wsdmg gsword
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I always heard OaT were really good. From what I remember the polearm one was currently one of the best for drg. Dagger one can't be that bad, seen quite a few thfs, dncs, and brds with them.
Only real good OAT weps imo are the single handed ones, especially sword if you have excalibur. but thats just my opinion, havent tried and of the 2h ones like GK and so on
OaT GS is best GS to do. nuff said. anybody saying otherwise hasn't seen the math.
mortontony1 said: » I always heard OaT were really good. From what I remember the polearm one was currently one of the best for drg. Dagger one can't be that bad, seen quite a few thfs, dncs, and brds with them. I think Twilight dagger is better sub dagger though.... Leviathan.Phenomena said: » OaT GS is best GS to do. nuff said. anybody saying otherwise hasn't seen the math. I've heard very good things about OaT poles and such
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: » mortontony1 said: » I always heard OaT were really good. From what I remember the polearm one was currently one of the best for drg. Dagger one can't be that bad, seen quite a few thfs, dncs, and brds with them. I think Twilight dagger is better sub dagger though.... yeah the delays better anyhoo, same with the dmg Offline
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: » OaT GS is best GS to do. nuff said. anybody saying otherwise hasn't seen the math. Uhm... Last I heard TP Bonus GS was beating Caladbolg... mortontony1 said: » I always heard OaT were really good. From what I remember the polearm one was currently one of the best for drg. Dagger one can't be that bad, seen quite a few thfs, dncs, and brds with them. Sylph.Sagiaurex said: » Only real good OAT weps imo are the single handed ones, especially sword if you have excalibur. but thats just my opinion, havent tried and of the 2h ones like GK and so on Fitali said: » Leviathan.Phenomena said: » OaT GS is best GS to do. nuff said. anybody saying otherwise hasn't seen the math. Uhm... Last I heard TP Bonus GS was beating Caladbolg... first who said anythign about calad? second that will be changing. since SE is gimping save tp. i think calad will pull ahead. and i dont know where but i know there was a thread about resolution and returner posted info on why OaT GS was superior. shouldnt be hard to find. Offline
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: » Fitali said: » Leviathan.Phenomena said: » OaT GS is best GS to do. nuff said. anybody saying otherwise hasn't seen the math. Uhm... Last I heard TP Bonus GS was beating Caladbolg... first who said anythign about calad? second that will be changing. since SE is gimping save tp. i think calad will pull ahead. and i dont know where but i know there was a thread about resolution and returner posted info on why OaT GS was superior. shouldnt be hard to find. Was talking about TP Bonus: 100 not Store TP. Fitali said: » Leviathan.Phenomena said: » Fitali said: » Leviathan.Phenomena said: » OaT GS is best GS to do. nuff said. anybody saying otherwise hasn't seen the math. Uhm... Last I heard TP Bonus GS was beating Caladbolg... first who said anythign about calad? second that will be changing. since SE is gimping save tp. i think calad will pull ahead. and i dont know where but i know there was a thread about resolution and returner posted info on why OaT GS was superior. shouldnt be hard to find. Was talking about TP Bonus: 100 not Store TP. Fitali said: » Leviathan.Phenomena said: » Fitali said: » Leviathan.Phenomena said: » OaT GS is best GS to do. nuff said. anybody saying otherwise hasn't seen the math. Uhm... Last I heard TP Bonus GS was beating Caladbolg... first who said anythign about calad? second that will be changing. since SE is gimping save tp. i think calad will pull ahead. and i dont know where but i know there was a thread about resolution and returner posted info on why OaT GS was superior. shouldnt be hard to find. Was talking about TP Bonus: 100 not Store TP. ok i got that as well. but as i said that is changing. and why quote me? i was talking about OaT GS. =o which i believe will remain on top. this of course is vs 90 calad. i would think 95/99 would win Edit: ty night my thoughts exactly. Offline
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Well then which performs better, TP Bonus +100 or OAT
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » That was kind of my statement, I thought the order was TP Bonus 100 > Caladbolg > OAT I dont get how tp Bonus is good.....
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: » I dont get how tp Bonus is good..... i wish i knew how to explain it... maybe ill go track and quote returner Offline
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: » I dont get how tp Bonus is good..... Me neither 0_o But my friend has TP Bonus 100 and 90 Caladbolg and he says for resolution it destroys Caladbolg with Aftermath. Ragnarok.Returner said: » Attack penalty is 8%, not 40% anymore. Also, OAT is good because the delay is much higher meaning it is easier to 6 hit and possibly 5 hit if accuracy isn't a concern. On top of that, you are OATing 40% of the time, so your WS frequency is alot higher. I will agree with you on the part that VW is all about temp item and atmacite, so you will pretty much be WSing all the time regardless since with save tp, regain atmacite, and monarch's drink, you will rarely even TP, making hit build and OAT less productive. However, there is also another side of the argument. If you are rarely TPing, the ODD also becomes less of a factor. So it is a double edged sword. In addition, lvl 85 Caladbolg is 109 base damage, lvl 99 OAT is 104 base damage. You are not WSing much harder with Caladbolg when using resolution. At best, thanks to the high WSC of resolution, the difference on base damage is really small in the WS formula (in this case, approximately 2% if even that, from the 5 base damage). The point is really, if you are not bringing Caladbolg beyond lvl 90, OAT is your best bet. I have a Caladbolg at lvl 90, so I am not really sour graping this whole thing. that should shed some light Fitali said: » Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: » I dont get how tp Bonus is good..... Me neither 0_o But my friend has TP Bonus 100 and 90 Caladbolg and he says for resolution it destroys Caladbolg with Aftermath. The ws may but that doesnt mean his overall dmg beat 90 calad. but it might idk. i havent cared on tp bonus since OaT is better. calads aftermath doesnt work on ws. on normal hits. so in VW when u WS nonstop TP bonus outdoes calad Offline
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: » Ragnarok.Returner said: » Attack penalty is 8%, not 40% anymore. Also, OAT is good because the delay is much higher meaning it is easier to 6 hit and possibly 5 hit if accuracy isn't a concern. On top of that, you are OATing 40% of the time, so your WS frequency is alot higher. I will agree with you on the part that VW is all about temp item and atmacite, so you will pretty much be WSing all the time regardless since with save tp, regain atmacite, and monarch's drink, you will rarely even TP, making hit build and OAT less productive. However, there is also another side of the argument. If you are rarely TPing, the ODD also becomes less of a factor. So it is a double edged sword. In addition, lvl 85 Caladbolg is 109 base damage, lvl 99 OAT is 104 base damage. You are not WSing much harder with Caladbolg when using resolution. At best, thanks to the high WSC of resolution, the difference on base damage is really small in the WS formula (in this case, approximately 2% if even that, from the 5 base damage). The point is really, if you are not bringing Caladbolg beyond lvl 90, OAT is your best bet. I have a Caladbolg at lvl 90, so I am not really sour graping this whole thing. that should shed some light I'm still not understanding how OAT would beat TP Bonus 100 for Resolution. Not trying to be a ***, I just literally don't understand. From everyone I know with TP Bonus 100 GS they say it is the *** Mcgee. Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: » I dont get how tp Bonus is good..... Fitali said: » That was kind of my statement, I thought the order was TP Bonus 100 > Caladbolg > OAT |
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