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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-19 15:25:44
That doesn't prove value in life, it just proves survival instincts. Value in life is when you are walking down the street and you see a man has fallen off his bike and broken his leg and is bleeding. You do everything in your power to call an ambulance and get him to the hospital, or if you are a nurse or doctor, begin treatment on the spot.
Dinosaurs, and many other animals, only view life as worthwhile as your contribution and ability. Case and point, a female lion is with her cubs and one falls out of a tree and breaks it's leg, the mother doesn't drag the cub to safety in hopes that he will recover, she resigns to it's fate and leaves him to die.
That's value in your opinion.
Value as defined by the dictionary:
relative worth, merit, or importance
All animals are capable of valuing their lives and that's why dinosaurs were able to survive as long as they did. It may not have been conscious but a survival instinct is still a value to an animal.
Further we're learning much about how animals think from experimentation. Mice are capable of empathy and jealousy which is a far cry from the soulless automata that religious belief claimed lay behind the fur, scales and feathers for centuries. There is still much we don't know about animals but we do know they value life.
http://www.keio.ac.jp/en/press_releases/2011/pdf/110804_2e.pdf
How much varies from species to species.
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By Nevill 2012-01-19 15:25:45
If you aren't calling someone arrogant, why is it even in there. Just makes no sense. Redundant statements are redundant ; )
Its like saying a bunch of stuff contributing to the thread, and then saying
OOh, by the way, arrogance is silly.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 15:26:07
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »The planet? yes
Because there's been no external factor mucking everything up? Even the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs wasn't big enough to turn the planet back into a molten state.
And because the living creatures here haven't mucked it up on their own accord yet.
I'm not sure if I'm really grasping your point.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 15:26:35
I find it hilarious that one part of a bronze-age myth is labeled as a myth, but the other part? Real. That ***totally happened.
Also, by comparison, we're not that fragile. When you take into account that the entire populous of the world would be wiped out by even the slightest diversion on a universal scale, it becomes very clear. Earth is, on average, 287 Kelvin. 0 Kelvin is -460 degrees. The human body can only maintain a temperature of 105~108 (internal temperature) degrees before it starts to cook, and 70 degrees before it again begins to die. We use tools to survive those limits, and so do animals, animals are just born with them. That's like... nothing when you consider that kelvin goes to 10^32. The point between life and death on the kelvin scale for humans is around a 15 point sweet-spot out of 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. We are infinitely small by comparison - the aspect ratio is phenomenal in all things, and it is pure arrogance to think we are something special when you consider the size, and massive variance that the universal-system we live in presents.
it seems more like the whole equation is balanced just perfect for us.
Not really. Considering that other planets have been found within the habitable zone as well.
You could say we got lucky, but not really.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-01-19 15:28:09
If you aren't calling someone arrogant, why is it even in there. Just makes no sense. Redundant statements are redundant ; )
Its like saying a bunch of stuff contributing to the thread, and then saying
OOh, by the way, arrogance is silly. We were arrogant to write off life as we did before. It ties into my "original estimates" statement. Human arrogance has gleaned over many things to support its own point of view.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 15:32:09
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »The planet? yes
Because there's been no external factor mucking everything up? Even the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs wasn't big enough to turn the planet back into a molten state.
And because the living creatures here haven't mucked it up on their own accord yet.
I'm not sure if I'm really grasping your point. You have a star that is constantly expanding and dying. A planet in which the surface is changing daily (I'll give you the fact that the surface is only 2% of the entire mass of the planet). We have a moon large enough in comparison to our planet that it actually changes our orbit over time. All of these things could single handedly much up the devices in place that keep us in the "ideal zone". The fact that all of them, including many things I didn't name, are happening at the same time just amazes me.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 15:33:35
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »The planet? yes
Because there's been no external factor mucking everything up? Even the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs wasn't big enough to turn the planet back into a molten state.
And because the living creatures here haven't mucked it up on their own accord yet.
I'm not sure if I'm really grasping your point. You have a star that is constantly expanding and dying. A planet in which the surface is changing daily (I'll give you the fact that the surface is only 2% of the entire mass of the planet). We have a moon large enough in comparison to our planet that it actually changes our orbit over time. All of these things could single handedly much up the devices in place that keep us in the "ideal zone". The fact that all of them, including many things I didn't name, are happening at the same time just amazes me.
I'm still not seeing your point. Sooner or later the Earth will be uninhabitable.
We just gotta hope we're off this rock by then.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 15:35:16
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »The planet? yes
Because there's been no external factor mucking everything up? Even the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs wasn't big enough to turn the planet back into a molten state.
And because the living creatures here haven't mucked it up on their own accord yet.
I'm not sure if I'm really grasping your point. You have a star that is constantly expanding and dying. A planet in which the surface is changing daily (I'll give you the fact that the surface is only 2% of the entire mass of the planet). We have a moon large enough in comparison to our planet that it actually changes our orbit over time. All of these things could single handedly much up the devices in place that keep us in the "ideal zone". The fact that all of them, including many things I didn't name, are happening at the same time just amazes me.
I'm still not seeing your point. Sooner or later the Earth will be uninhabitable.
We just gotta hope we're off this rock by then. It's been proven that matter is unable to travel the speed of light or faster, so there will be no place within travelling distance to inhabit after the earth isn't. Where does that leave us?
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-01-19 15:37:37
We're clever creatures. Creating a sustainable habitat in space for a long period of time, given the time and conviction, isn't a far stretch. The only thing that would personally worry me is the attrition that happens in space. I'm not familiar with it enough to pose a guess as to if its an unknown or known variable.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-19 15:38:11
Sorry about the delay. Busy busy today.
This is my personal outlook on it. I mean, I sway back in forth so much. I just refuse to believe that if there is a God that He would be such a vengeful and spiteful being.
If you subscribe to that then the people of the OT were liars? Maybe God really was as vengeful and wrathful as they claim but who knows? No one has any evidence to back anything up.
Quote: I prescribe to the notion that maybe, if there was a creator, it would be more "hands-off". I think that evolution, the Big Bang, etc. could be the set in place to keep human beings questioning their existence and their place in the universe. We have evolved this brain capacity that is far removed from other creatures within the animal kingdom. If our God is an all-knowing and intelligent being and we were created in His image, why wouldn't He put in place intellectual and profound obstacles for us conquer?
A hands-off God is not Christianity or any of its incarnations and you've ventured into the realm of pantheism, extraterrestrial origins (cue the Ancient Aliens dude), a simulated universe or a neverending cycle of universal booms created at one point by a God that has long since abandoned the project. Perhaps the universe was created by a malevolent entity, why would we not consider the possibility if we were being honest with ourselves?
They all hold equal possibility of being true but without evidence again we're back at square one of "we don't know". I think many people forget that there are atheists who reject the concept of mainstream religion but do actually believe this universe was created by an advanced civilization with such technology that they would be Gods compared to us.
Am I in that camp? No, but they have as much evidence as mainstream theists.
Quote: Like I said before, there's just so much that has been warped in Biblical texts by man that it's for me hard to completely build a solid belief system around it.
If the text is corrupted and the entity refuses to interfere (with evidence, physical irrefutable evidence) then what can we infer about this entity?
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 15:41:08
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »The planet? yes
Because there's been no external factor mucking everything up? Even the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs wasn't big enough to turn the planet back into a molten state.
And because the living creatures here haven't mucked it up on their own accord yet.
I'm not sure if I'm really grasping your point. You have a star that is constantly expanding and dying. A planet in which the surface is changing daily (I'll give you the fact that the surface is only 2% of the entire mass of the planet). We have a moon large enough in comparison to our planet that it actually changes our orbit over time. All of these things could single handedly much up the devices in place that keep us in the "ideal zone". The fact that all of them, including many things I didn't name, are happening at the same time just amazes me.
Yes it is cool. But, given the scope of the entire universe, it is unlikely that the Earth is somehow unique in this regard. The fact that we have already found other goldilocks planets proves this.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 15:41:32
We're clever creatures. Creating a sustainable habitat in space for a long period of time, given the time and conviction, isn't a far stretch. The only thing that would personally worry me is the attrition that happens in space. I'm not familiar with it enough to pose a guess as to if its an unknown or known variable. You don't have constantly changing soil in space. Our ability to grow food would quickly die without the natural process of erosion and an ecosystem with weather.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 15:42:51
We're clever creatures. Creating a sustainable habitat in space for a long period of time, given the time and conviction, isn't a far stretch. The only thing that would personally worry me is the attrition that happens in space. I'm not familiar with it enough to pose a guess as to if its an unknown or known variable. You don't have constantly changing soil in space. Our ability to grow food would quickly die without the natural process of erosion and an ecosystem with weather.
Not really. Hydroponics is an awesome, albeit relatively unknown, technique.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 15:43:12
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »The planet? yes
Because there's been no external factor mucking everything up? Even the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs wasn't big enough to turn the planet back into a molten state.
And because the living creatures here haven't mucked it up on their own accord yet.
I'm not sure if I'm really grasping your point. You have a star that is constantly expanding and dying. A planet in which the surface is changing daily (I'll give you the fact that the surface is only 2% of the entire mass of the planet). We have a moon large enough in comparison to our planet that it actually changes our orbit over time. All of these things could single handedly much up the devices in place that keep us in the "ideal zone". The fact that all of them, including many things I didn't name, are happening at the same time just amazes me.
I'm still not seeing your point. Sooner or later the Earth will be uninhabitable.
We just gotta hope we're off this rock by then. It's been proven that matter is unable to travel the speed of light or faster, so there will be no place within travelling distance to inhabit after the earth isn't. Where does that leave us?
Why do you think the speed of light is a limitation on travel?
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 15:43:54
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »The planet? yes
Because there's been no external factor mucking everything up? Even the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs wasn't big enough to turn the planet back into a molten state.
And because the living creatures here haven't mucked it up on their own accord yet.
I'm not sure if I'm really grasping your point. You have a star that is constantly expanding and dying. A planet in which the surface is changing daily (I'll give you the fact that the surface is only 2% of the entire mass of the planet). We have a moon large enough in comparison to our planet that it actually changes our orbit over time. All of these things could single handedly much up the devices in place that keep us in the "ideal zone". The fact that all of them, including many things I didn't name, are happening at the same time just amazes me.
Yes it is cool. But, given the scope of the entire universe, it is unlikely that the Earth is somehow unique in this regard. The fact that we have already found other goldilocks planets proves this. We have no way of knowing just how long they've been in the zone for sustaining life either, or whether they have water vapor on them to support life. That variable we can only answer by doing an analysis of the physical soil of the planet. We are long since removed from getting anything there to do so.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-01-19 15:45:07
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: » My sentiment exactly. Why, even with near infinite odds (never ending universe etc etc), would so many things line up to support life for as long as it has. The universe is pretty big. It was bound to happen sooner or later, I suppose. I say again, though: the puddle fit into the pothole.
What? Water pools in a basin = massive statistical anomoly of the perfection of our situation to support life.
Matches ignite so cold fusion should be simple, amirite?
Hoyle's Fallacy is disregarded because it "no biologist imagines that complex structures arise in a single step". The implication that the likelihood of all this being coincidence is more likely if you look at the statistics of each step happening, does not convince me Hoyle was wrong. A 1 in 10^32 occurance happening a bajillion times in sequence is not better odds to me than 10^320000000000. Etc. You can compare that to "Lint fit the pocket" or whatever though.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 15:45:16
Two things.
1. The Bible never says we are the only planet with life or that God created. It also never says he never created other life or other planets. They would just simply be irrelevant to our belief.
2. If God is a possibility, since it cannot be disproved, then that means it is a possibility that a malevolent being like the devil could plant or corrupt evidence against God or to make it appear as if He is not real.
The wager between them is that man is capable of ruling himself, God says we cannot and will eventually fall without his intervention.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 15:45:46
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »The planet? yes
Because there's been no external factor mucking everything up? Even the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs wasn't big enough to turn the planet back into a molten state.
And because the living creatures here haven't mucked it up on their own accord yet.
I'm not sure if I'm really grasping your point. You have a star that is constantly expanding and dying. A planet in which the surface is changing daily (I'll give you the fact that the surface is only 2% of the entire mass of the planet). We have a moon large enough in comparison to our planet that it actually changes our orbit over time. All of these things could single handedly much up the devices in place that keep us in the "ideal zone". The fact that all of them, including many things I didn't name, are happening at the same time just amazes me.
I'm still not seeing your point. Sooner or later the Earth will be uninhabitable.
We just gotta hope we're off this rock by then. It's been proven that matter is unable to travel the speed of light or faster, so there will be no place within travelling distance to inhabit after the earth isn't. Where does that leave us?
Why do you think the speed of light is a limitation on travel? Matter cannot move at the speed of light. It becomes no longer matter at that point. Since matter cannot be destroyed, speeds and time are warped to where we can never actually reach that speed.
EDIT: I explained that incorrectly. As matter approaches the speed of light, our mass increases exponentially towards infinity. In order to reach the speed of light, the mass of matter would be infinite, requiring infinite energy to accelerate. There isn't enough energy in the universe to force matter at that speed.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 15:46:27
I'm saying that just because the puddle fits in the pothole--which happens because the pothole is an ideal condition for the puddle--doesn't mean that someone put the pothole there so the puddle could exist.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 15:48:44
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »I'm saying that just because the puddle fits in the pothole--which happens because the pothole is an ideal condition for the puddle--doesn't mean that someone put the pothole there so the puddle could exist. A pothole is also an anomaly in what should be a road and (disregard towns that have terrible maintenance) gets fixed. Why then, out of a chaotic rest of the universe, has our 'pothole' not been 'fixed'
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 15:49:35
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »I'm saying that just because the puddle fits in the pothole--which happens because the pothole is an ideal condition for the puddle--doesn't mean that someone put the pothole there so the puddle could exist. A pothole is also an anomaly in what should be a road and (disregard towns that have terrible maintenance) gets fixed. Why then, out of a chaotic rest of the universe, has our 'pothole' not been 'fixed'
God has run into some red tape with the supreme being department of transportation.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 15:51:35
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »The planet? yes
Because there's been no external factor mucking everything up? Even the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs wasn't big enough to turn the planet back into a molten state.
And because the living creatures here haven't mucked it up on their own accord yet.
I'm not sure if I'm really grasping your point. You have a star that is constantly expanding and dying. A planet in which the surface is changing daily (I'll give you the fact that the surface is only 2% of the entire mass of the planet). We have a moon large enough in comparison to our planet that it actually changes our orbit over time. All of these things could single handedly much up the devices in place that keep us in the "ideal zone". The fact that all of them, including many things I didn't name, are happening at the same time just amazes me.
I'm still not seeing your point. Sooner or later the Earth will be uninhabitable.
We just gotta hope we're off this rock by then. It's been proven that matter is unable to travel the speed of light or faster, so there will be no place within travelling distance to inhabit after the earth isn't. Where does that leave us?
Why do you think the speed of light is a limitation on travel? Matter cannot move at the speed of light. It becomes no longer matter at that point. Since matter cannot be destroyed, speeds and time are warped to where we can never actually reach that speed. If we somehow broke that rule, the matter that made up the person travelling would no longer be matter.
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light?
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 15:53:48
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light? Nothing wrong with it, but as a percentage, the closer you get to light, the greater the energy needed. Also, in order to have mass approach infinity, atoms would have to expand. At that point you really aren't travelling, you are just expanding across the universe only to contract to a point in which you stop. It would be devastating to a life force.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 15:54:19
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »The planet? yes
Because there's been no external factor mucking everything up? Even the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs wasn't big enough to turn the planet back into a molten state.
And because the living creatures here haven't mucked it up on their own accord yet.
I'm not sure if I'm really grasping your point. You have a star that is constantly expanding and dying. A planet in which the surface is changing daily (I'll give you the fact that the surface is only 2% of the entire mass of the planet). We have a moon large enough in comparison to our planet that it actually changes our orbit over time. All of these things could single handedly much up the devices in place that keep us in the "ideal zone". The fact that all of them, including many things I didn't name, are happening at the same time just amazes me.
I'm still not seeing your point. Sooner or later the Earth will be uninhabitable.
We just gotta hope we're off this rock by then. It's been proven that matter is unable to travel the speed of light or faster, so there will be no place within travelling distance to inhabit after the earth isn't. Where does that leave us?
Why do you think the speed of light is a limitation on travel? Matter cannot move at the speed of light. It becomes no longer matter at that point. Since matter cannot be destroyed, speeds and time are warped to where we can never actually reach that speed. If we somehow broke that rule, the matter that made up the person travelling would no longer be matter.
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light?
Nothing, but there was a movie in which this was addressed, and I can't remember what it was, where the ship starts off for the new planet with the civilization, and people live on the ship and generations after generations reproduce and live on and eventually they make it there, but it's like the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great whatever grandkids.
That does leave to a very real problem though. It's a shot in the dark, because there is no guarantee the planet isn't already inhabited or will even exist when you arrive.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 15:54:44
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »I'm saying that just because the puddle fits in the pothole--which happens because the pothole is an ideal condition for the puddle--doesn't mean that someone put the pothole there so the puddle could exist. A pothole is also an anomaly in what should be a road and (disregard towns that have terrible maintenance) gets fixed. Why then, out of a chaotic rest of the universe, has our 'pothole' not been 'fixed'
B/c the Earth isnt broken. It is the way it is b/c it happened that way and life began and adapted to the conditions that existed.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 15:55:27
Even if it were broken, the universe doesn't really have anything that would be going around to fix it...
Unless..
Maybe that's our purpose :P
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-19 15:56:39
Value only exists in the mind and once the mind is gone the concept of value is lost.
Your atoms existed before they were you. They exist after you. You're just a spot along the way for them, but we dont add to them or take away.
Once we are gone and forgotten by the universe our having ever existed at all becomes absolutely meaningless.
My atoms existed before me and will exist after I'm fertilizer for the ground. I will continue 'exist' (in the atomic sense) as whatever my components go onto becoming. Though I may only be 'a spot on the way', it's fascinating to know that I could go on to become just about anything. That's value from my perspective correct and to whatever beings that come long after man who reach that same realization.
Again, its not the ideal afterlife where I'm bathed in bliss but that's the cycle of life for you.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 15:57:29
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light? Nothing wrong with it, but as a percentage, the closer you get to light, the greater the energy needed. Also, in order to have mass approach infinity, atoms would have to expand. At that point you really aren't travelling, you are just expanding across the universe only to contract to a point in which you stop. It would be devastating to a life force.
No problem on the energy part. Dark Matter Engines say hi ^^
Also, you assume it would be devastating to a life force right? Since we havent sent anything that fast yet its only a guess.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 15:58:35
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light? Nothing wrong with it, but as a percentage, the closer you get to light, the greater the energy needed. Also, in order to have mass approach infinity, atoms would have to expand. At that point you really aren't travelling, you are just expanding across the universe only to contract to a point in which you stop. It would be devastating to a life force.
No problem on the energy part. Dark Matter Engines say hi ^^
Also, you assume it would be devastating to a life force right? Since we havent sent anything that fast yet its only a guess.
Not only that, but as I'm to understand airplanes also used to be pretty harsh on the body, and rockets too, but we've developed technology to make the process easier on us.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 15:59:16
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light? Nothing wrong with it, but as a percentage, the closer you get to light, the greater the energy needed. Also, in order to have mass approach infinity, atoms would have to expand. At that point you really aren't travelling, you are just expanding across the universe only to contract to a point in which you stop. It would be devastating to a life force.
No problem on the energy part. Dark Matter Engines say hi ^^
Also, you assume it would be devastating to a life force right? Since we havent sent anything that fast yet its only a guess.
I would say it's a fairly accurate guess, considering we couldn't even survive a re-entry into our own atmosphere which would be much, much, much less of an energetic event.
These are commandments in the Bible for Christians to act in our world. They were part of a lesson at my church two Sundays ago. I am not a fan of the 'if God weren't real' hypothetical situation myself, but taking that stance, let's look at the following.
Quote: James 1:27-Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. Quote: Ephesians 4:32-Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Quote: Matthew 7:1-4-Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Quote: Acts 2:43-44-Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Quote: Galatians 5:22-23-But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Now, with those verses stated; I am no supporter of taking things out of context to obscure the truth of a passage, as you all know. I am not taking these things out of context to prove some hair brained, conjured truth. No, I am picking these verses as a challenge to all whom may read this that call themselves Christians. Do these things in your daily walk. If you do nothing else, do these things out of Love. Pure, unbiased, selfless love.
I think it is fairly safe to assume that theists and non theists alike can agree that if all proclaimed Christians did these simple tasks; cared for the orphaned and widowed, sold their possessions to take care of the needy, be kind and forgiving, be non-judgmental, and produce the fruits of the spirit: that each Christian would leave this world a better place than they came into it. Remove entirely the possibility of God's existence, or an eternal life. Simply look at those works, and the innate selflessness built into them. Would this world not be better?
With that said, here is my basis for the love message I have been so adamant about lately. It is also the basis in which I tie every facet of my belief and life unto.
Quote: 1 Corinthians 13-If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
This is the second covenant God created with man. It is no longer about following certain, strict rules for fear of hell. It is about a lifestyle that all thoughts and actions are derived from love. Doing things out of love for others makes those things not a sin. It is no longer the action, but the reason behind the action. 1 Corinthians goes on a few more verses to discuss love further. I think it would be good for theists and non alike to at least read up until 13:13.
I plead to you, community of FFXIAH, to hold me accountable to all things of these verses in what I do and say on here. If I am outside of the realm of these, please let me know and I will apologize and correct accordingly. I challenge all other Christians to stick to these tenants as well, and you can bet that I will (out of love) hold you accountable.
If you tl;dr, I'm sorry it wasn't worth your time. If you did read, I am open to your thoughts and criticisms.
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