Farsha Question

STR and MND have the same weight to improve Cloudsplitter, So whichever gear gives you the most of BOTH added together. For Example, crudulis belt gives 5str and 5 mnd. You would have to get greater than 10 STR or 10 MND to top it w/ a single stat.

I have not looked at newer gear, but I have an old set here...



There are probably a few improvements. I just haven't been interested in cloudsplitter for awhile. It looks cool.. but thats about it...

You will want M.atk > STR/MND for the most part. Xilk's set is pretty spot on.
Thunder on gear is about resists, and does nothing for Cloudsplitter.

BTW, get ready for disappointment. Without M.Atk atmas in abyssea, this WS does worse damage than Primal Rend. The aftermath is cool though if you manage to throw one off at 300 TP now and then.

If you want to use cloudsplitter, Xilk's set is very good start. Personally, I would use Farsha for Rampage or Ruinator. Cloudsplitter is terrible outside of Abyssea.

You know, based on the fact that Cloudsplitter is a crappy weaponskill, wouldn't it be better for most Beastmasters to instead make a "Strength" based Astolfo for their main hand weapon?

Unless a Bst takes Farsha past 95 (and I'm sure none/few will), the level 99 Astolfo has the same base damage as a level 90 Farsha.

Astolfo 99, DPS: 1609 DMG:74 Delay:276 STR +11, Atk +22
LV 99 WAR BST

Farsha 90, DPS: 1609 DMG:74 Delay:276 STR+10 MND+10 "Cloudsplitter" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
LV 90 WAR BST


So, easier axe gain 1 Str, gain 22 atk, lose 10 mnd (weaker potential reward) and lose Cloudsplitter (Abyssea only WS).

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I was planning on doing a Farsha but I'm pretty certain I won't know based on this realization and what's been said of the weaponskill.

I do 2k outside abyssea w/ ruinator. the ODD proc's do not make up 1000 damage in my testing.

Your pretty much right, i tell every bst no matter how much progress ur on doing farsha stop wasting ur time and just do relic if u must have relic/emp/mythic. If ur just looking for dmg do str and da axe.

I was making a Farsha then stopped when I noticed how horrible Cloudsplitter was. I played around with a 90 Farsha on the test server (since 95-99 are impossible for me to get currently) and compared it to a 99 -PDT axe, and Ruinator 5/5 and Rampage consistently did higher than Cloudsplitter by 2-4 times damage outside Abyssea. Inside Abyssea you will have to stack atmas that BST normally doesn't use to make it worthwhile.

I decided to save my time and just go with 99 -PDT axes though I'm sure the STR/Atk axes would be better. In dynamis now Ruinator with -PDT axes can take out most mobs from 40-50% at just 100% tp. More than enough for my bst farming needs and my pets live longer.

I was always slow working on farsha. I have it 1/2 way thru bukhis trials, and I don't think I'll finish it.

I started guttler also, and It would be a worthwhile axe, but after comparing farsha, aymur and guttler on test server, all I want is aymur. Hoping changes in nyzul and salvage will make it more feasible, and I'm just saving up for it and making sure I have the other pre-reqs done.

the level 99 fire axe is actually slightly better than farsha for ruinator. they have the exact same damage and delay, but the fire axe has 1 more str... and you might get attack w/ it also.

Even if you want to brew cloudsplitter... it will probably beat primal rend in brew... probably.. maybe I'll dink w/ that for kicks on test server sometime.. but its not that huge of a difference... shucks if you stack your killer traits right for brew, you are getting into the 60k range on primal anyway. is there a huge difference in taking down an nm in 2 brew ws vs 3?

I'm still sending in suggestions daily to improve cloudsplitter.
I know SE has said they won't change it or alter it, but if enough people complain they will change it.
So anyone who has or is interested in this axe should go to the suggestions area and submit a suggestion to reconsider altering Cloudsplitter:

Suggestions

The only thing right about Farsha is its name, its "Far" from being worth anything close to Aymur or Guttler and both "sha"t all over the damn weapon.
It has potential but I think because WAR can set higher numbers and utilize the ODD better they don't want to give it too much of a boost.
In all honesty if you are a diehard fan of golden axes or like collecting show pieces, Farsha is the axe for you, because thats exactly what it is, a golden axe show piece.

I'd be more intrested on wtf se was thinking when they decided bst needed mab ws on emp and mythic weapon.

As an aside, I'd just like to say how bad it hurts to see the amount of 85 Farshas wielded. Similar to so many other weapons and armor, people get what I call hard2get syndrome. These are the same players that rock Ridill THF, Kclub MNK, and Sattva ring PLD. I understand it wasn't easy to get, but that doesn't mean its even remotely good :(

It's not a matter of hard2get, it's more on the lines of not worth bothering.

Edit: nvm, I understood what you put now lol

Every time I see this....



I think this...

hello ppl long time no see~ hows it going :D

I have a 85 Farsha and it'll most likely stay like that. I love the axe, sadly the WS suxs so much. Lol.

I know it hasn't been mentioned, but BST didn't really have an amber WS for Abyssea unless you consider Primal Rend. In my opinion, Cloudsplitter is a better amber WS. So as far as amber farming goes, its useful. Meaning... There is one more use for the weapon.

I just don't see many... if any... getting this weapon to 95 or 99. Ergo, the STR and DA axe are still your best bets for overall damage.

Why wouldn't you consider Primal Rend?

Except that cloudsplitter is NOT better than primal rend.

Cloudspliter has 2 advantages over primal rend.

1. Aftermath is better damage from farsha than having none.

2. When brewing' cloudplitter gets more damage being 300% to.

However, one shouldn't be waiting to 300% to WS, unless you are doing primal w/ aymur.

Also, if you are going for amber the aftermath from farsha might last until 2 hits on the next mob, if you are lucky.

If you are at a vanilla 100% to w/out aymur then primal rend will outperform cloud splitter. Also' you can easily do ~1200 to 1500 from rend' which is nice damage for a kill shot and no special atma.


Also' guttler is a better did Axe than DA Axe + star Axe.

Low dmg compared to Cloudsplitter... otherwise... its the only amber you have for axe. Can switch to scythe but then you lose a lot of overall dmg.

Please show me your numbers.

Everything I see shows cloud splitter and primal rend close in damage, but primal wins unless you are at 300% tp, then clodsplitter pulls ahead. You keep saying that primal is weaker, but that is opposite if what I see in both calculated and tested comparisons.

As a backup for amber I would use aeolian edge on dagger...

Your forgetting to remember cloudsplitter on farsha u get aftermath double dmg hits, so even if primal spiked more ws dmg over time its dmg would be lower overtime. which put cloudsplitter way ahead of primal and also if you only tping 300% would put cloudsplitter+aftermath, especially in abby(capped crit/multi att) above the usefulness of ruinator.

I have finally found out the potential of Farsha after playing around with it inside abyssea.

1. It is a tool strictly for amber farming on WAR.
-The reason behind is WAR can use retaliation to gain TP fast
enough to self skillchain. Also should always carry a WHM for
cureskin like always when hoarding mobs

2. It is an excellent brew weapon depending on the mob obviously.

I still haven't found any real use of Farsha outside of abyssea.

doesnt the Nyzul Weaponskill give Amber? its magic based.

yes Primal Rend is light-based

uhm no. Cloudsplitter w/ aftermath is NEVER better than Ruinator in aby. (Frankly, if full crit atma dd build, I"d be using rampage in aby anyway.)

well I guess if you are brewing, but aside from that niche, its its not even close.

I forget nothing about the aftermath. The aftermath is only a slight advantage over primal. Its not a big one at all. It doesn't last long at 100% tp. The only practical uses for cloudsplitter are magical ws for amber kill (in which you lose most your aftermath while finding a new prey), or maybe you want to make easier skillchains with it. I found that fun, but its a toy, a gimmick. Its not a DD discussion if thats your focus.

It is the best for brewing on bst, but I really don't think it was worth it for a brew WS when Primal is almost as good.

If you are waiting till 300% tp for the aftermath you are losing more damage in fewer WS's.