I have, but I don't appreciate the insinuation that the entire South functions the same way as little, po-dunk towns.
I find it humorous that you flame up when people insult the South in the same conversation where we explain that atheists face issues. It's the same damn thing, and you often criticize atheists for voicing the same damn thing you just did.
Yeah...Not really upset, but whatever. I think I've already said I believe in a walking, talking Three Musketeers bar that shits smoked salmon in another thread. I put my faith in that every month. :)
Poor poor atheists. It must have been so horrible to be captured from your homeland by Spaniards then sold off to the colonist of the budding United States. Whole families ripped apart! Oh the oppression! I can't imagine what horrible infringements on civil rights you must have suffered. Were you not allowed to drink from the same fountain? I'm sorry you were seated in the back of the bus.
Nope. We don't take kindly to your kind 'round these parts, boy. Now git!
Come on, Sparth. Seriously?
Those blacks in the 50's and 60's weren't sold and you know it: you're making what I think is called a false dichotomy.
In the 50's and 60's blacks that attempted to move into white areas were run out of the area. Their property was vandalized. Their funerals for their leaders were picketed. They were treated as second class citizens.
Though not as widespread as the anti-black racism, to say that there isn't racism against atheists is laughable.
I think this is the parallel that he was trying to make. Notice no one ever said slavery, just the civil rights issues that occurred in the 50s and 60s.
others can do what they like but i will say that this total war on any sort of a show of faith by the media and the atheists is pissing me off. you don't believe fine, but don't intrude on my RIGHT to pray if i choose to. i won't try to make you pray so leave me alone if i choose to pray.
that's why i enjoyed seeing tebow succeed (course that didn't work out so well for him yesterday). there's nothing the atheist groups can do about him doing it.
can anyone explain to me why it pisses people who don't believe off so much if others do believe?
The reason atheists dislike theist so much is because they are always pushing some belief or condoning and demonizing others because of something. Also on the note about how media is biased against religion is incorrect, or at least when it pertains to United states since all the big news networks love to endorse religion and talk down to those who disbelieve(go ahead and youtube bill from fox and any debate he has had with Richard Dawkins). Another problem atheist have with theist is the way they try to reason why religion is needed for morality and for all things practical atheists hate it when our taxes are used to fund beliefs in schools or else where.
I'll agree that there are theists that try to push their beliefs on others but I'd have to say (and this is mostly from my experience on these boards) that Atheists do the same. There isn't a religious thread on these boards that doesn't have someone talking about how religion is destroying and they should do away with it and how terrible it is.
Okay, one side tries to reason that theology is needed for those things and the other tries to reason it does not. and?
As for tax dollars funding beliefs in schools... I don't know where you are from but here in Illinois religion and the like is not allowed in public schools. I think the only issue we have had is that god is mentioned in the pledge of allegiance. I love how most days public school teachers (at least in the city) are decried for not being wonderful teachers and the next they are teaching theology in schools. I'm not particularly sure where the tax dollars are funding theological beliefs elsewhere as you say.
Yes, atheist do try to convince others that religion is wrong, but their argument is one based upon scientific facts that can be observed and recorded as oppose to using the writings of barbarians 2000 years ago. In order to not try and reinvent the wheel sort of speak, watch this video.
As far as money being used to support beliefs look at the debate on teaching creationism or evolution in public schools.
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others? Personally I say they teach evolution in class rooms. If people want creationism to be taught to their children they can enroll them in a class outside of school that offers it. That's what they do here at least. Kids from public school would attend C.C.D. and stuff like that wasn't taught in public schools. Where else do these funds go to that supports theological beliefs?
Edit: classes in public schools should be educating our children to function in the world we live in. regardless if someone believes that creationism is the truth or not it has no scientific application in society and therefore should only be taught if it was requested and takes place outside of the public school.
Also, creationism and intelligent design can suck it. I mean that in the most respectful way.
No one should persecute your right to teach what you want in your churches, private schools or anything of the like but for the love of god (pun intended) keep it out of our classrooms.
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others? Personally I say they teach evolution in class rooms. If people want creationism to be taught to their children they can enroll them in a class outside of school that offers it. That's what they do here at least. Kids from public school would attend C.C.D. and stuff like that wasn't taught in public schools. Where else do these funds go to that supports theological beliefs?
Evolution is scientifically credible, observable, replicable and proven to exist. The theory part, as I'm to understand, is how it happens and how it happened before, because we're still studying and it takes a long time for things to change.
Creationism has no scientific credibility outside of bible scholars.
Why the *** is there any question as to if that crock of ***should be taught in a science classroom?
I'm not watching an hour and 17 min video. I can barely get through the 2-3min ones, lol.
I know it's long, but Sam Harris so delightfully eloquent, composed, and magnetic that it's worth it. He and Dawkins take difficult to understand concepts and lay them out in ways that people can just understand (though not as well as Neil deGrasse Tyson, no one can beat him).
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others? Personally I say they teach evolution in class rooms. If people want creationism to be taught to their children they can enroll them in a class outside of school that offers it. That's what they do here at least. Kids from public school would attend C.C.D. and stuff like that wasn't taught in public schools. Where else do these funds go to that supports theological beliefs?
Evolution is scientifically credible, observable, replicable and proven to exist. The theory part, as I'm to understand, is how it happens and how it happened before, because we're still studying and it takes a long time for things to change.
Creationism has no scientific credibility outside of bible scholars.
Why the *** is there any question as to if that crock of ***should be taught in a science classroom?
Did you even read my post? past the first line that is.
I have, but I don't appreciate the insinuation that the entire South functions the same way as little, po-dunk towns.
I find it humorous that you flame up when people insult the South in the same conversation where we explain that atheists face issues. It's the same damn thing, and you often criticize atheists for voicing the same damn thing you just did.
Yeah...Not really upset, but whatever. I think I've already said I believe in a walking, talking Three Musketeers bar that shits smoked salmon in another thread. I put my faith in that every month. :)
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others? Personally I say they teach evolution in class rooms. If people want creationism to be taught to their children they can enroll them in a class outside of school that offers it. That's what they do here at least. Kids from public school would attend C.C.D. and stuff like that wasn't taught in public schools. Where else do these funds go to that supports theological beliefs?
Evolution is scientifically credible, observable, replicable and proven to exist. The theory part, as I'm to understand, is how it happens and how it happened before, because we're still studying and it takes a long time for things to change.
Creationism has no scientific credibility outside of bible scholars.
Why the *** is there any question as to if that crock of ***should be taught in a science classroom?
Did you even read my post? past the first line that is.
I should have only quoted this line, to be fair:
Quote:
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others?
It seemed like you were saying that because he deemed evolution the right one that he was forcing it on others. Not gonna lie, your post is confusing me a bit. I read that as you agreeing that evolution is right, but that we can't just say 'this is right'. Hence why I spoke about evidence and credibility.
Evolution is scientifically credible, observable, replicable and proven to exist. The theory part, as I'm to understand, is how it happens and how it happened before, because we're still studying and it takes a long time for things to change.
Creationism has no scientific credibility outside of bible scholars.
Why the *** is there any question as to if that crock of ***should be taught in a science classroom?
Speaking of theories....I hate the card people pull with the good ol religious "EVOLUTION IS JUST A THEORY"
In terms of science a theory is pretty much as good as it gets. It takes a crap load of testing, observations, more testing, and peer reviewing by the scientific community to get to that level.
Gravitation is a theory, but if you want to prove me wrong and float above my house and poop on my roof be my guest.
I'm not watching an hour and 17 min video. I can barely get through the 2-3min ones, lol.
I know it's long, but Sam Harris so delightfully eloquent, composed, and magnetic that it's worth it. He and Dawkins take difficult to understand concepts and lay them out in ways that people can just understand (though not as well as Neil deGrasse Tyson, no one can beat him).
I don't really know who any of those people are, until recently Dawkins..
I like that neat little video Stephen Hawking made about how god is not necessary to create the universe.
others can do what they like but i will say that this total war on any sort of a show of faith by the media and the atheists is pissing me off. you don't believe fine, but don't intrude on my RIGHT to pray if i choose to. i won't try to make you pray so leave me alone if i choose to pray.
that's why i enjoyed seeing tebow succeed (course that didn't work out so well for him yesterday). there's nothing the atheist groups can do about him doing it.
can anyone explain to me why it pisses people who don't believe off so much if others do believe?
The reason atheists dislike theist so much is because they are always pushing some belief or condoning and demonizing others because of something. Also on the note about how media is biased against religion is incorrect, or at least when it pertains to United states since all the big news networks love to endorse religion and talk down to those who disbelieve(go ahead and youtube bill from fox and any debate he has had with Richard Dawkins). Another problem atheist have with theist is the way they try to reason why religion is needed for morality and for all things practical atheists hate it when our taxes are used to fund beliefs in schools or else where.
I'll agree that there are theists that try to push their beliefs on others but I'd have to say (and this is mostly from my experience on these boards) that Atheists do the same. There isn't a religious thread on these boards that doesn't have someone talking about how religion is destroying and they should do away with it and how terrible it is.
Okay, one side tries to reason that theology is needed for those things and the other tries to reason it does not. and?
As for tax dollars funding beliefs in schools... I don't know where you are from but here in Illinois religion and the like is not allowed in public schools. I think the only issue we have had is that god is mentioned in the pledge of allegiance. I love how most days public school teachers (at least in the city) are decried for not being wonderful teachers and the next they are teaching theology in schools. I'm not particularly sure where the tax dollars are funding theological beliefs elsewhere as you say.
Yes, atheist do try to convince others that religion is wrong, but their argument is one based upon scientific facts that can be observed and recorded as oppose to using the writings of barbarians 2000 years ago. In order to not try and reinvent the wheel sort of speak, watch this video.
As far as money being used to support beliefs look at the debate on teaching creationism or evolution in public schools.
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others? Personally I say they teach evolution in class rooms. If people want creationism to be taught to their children they can enroll them in a class outside of school that offers it. That's what they do here at least. Kids from public school would attend C.C.D. and stuff like that wasn't taught in public schools. Where else do these funds go to that supports theological beliefs?
No atheist is forcing anything on others until it becomes an issue of lawmaking and most importantly the handling of money. Also to one way theological beliefs are being pushed through taxes is by marriage and the benefits it receives in the US where gay marriage is banned in many states due to religious reasons. As for proof that married couples receive benefits here ya go.
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others? Personally I say they teach evolution in class rooms. If people want creationism to be taught to their children they can enroll them in a class outside of school that offers it. That's what they do here at least. Kids from public school would attend C.C.D. and stuff like that wasn't taught in public schools. Where else do these funds go to that supports theological beliefs?
Evolution is scientifically credible, observable, replicable and proven to exist. The theory part, as I'm to understand, is how it happens and how it happened before, because we're still studying and it takes a long time for things to change.
Creationism has no scientific credibility outside of bible scholars.
Why the *** is there any question as to if that crock of ***should be taught in a science classroom?
Did you even read my post? past the first line that is.
I should have only quoted this line, to be fair:
Quote:
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others?
It seemed like you were saying that because he deemed evolution the right one that he was forcing it on others. Not gonna lie, your post is confusing me a bit. I read that as you agreeing that evolution is right, but that we can't just say 'this is right'. Hence why I spoke about evidence and credibility.
My point is that personal belief and what we teach in schools is something completely different. In schools we should teach our children what they need to learn to function in society. Creationism has no place in public schools as it has no applicability in science or our understanding of it.
Personal belief however is a completely different thing. You can't try to force something on someone because you believe that is what they should believe too. That goes both ways.
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others? Personally I say they teach evolution in class rooms. If people want creationism to be taught to their children they can enroll them in a class outside of school that offers it. That's what they do here at least. Kids from public school would attend C.C.D. and stuff like that wasn't taught in public schools. Where else do these funds go to that supports theological beliefs?
Evolution is scientifically credible, observable, replicable and proven to exist. The theory part, as I'm to understand, is how it happens and how it happened before, because we're still studying and it takes a long time for things to change.
Creationism has no scientific credibility outside of bible scholars.
Why the *** is there any question as to if that crock of ***should be taught in a science classroom?
Did you even read my post? past the first line that is.
I should have only quoted this line, to be fair:
Quote:
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others?
It seemed like you were saying that because he deemed evolution the right one that he was forcing it on others. Not gonna lie, your post is confusing me a bit. I read that as you agreeing that evolution is right, but that we can't just say 'this is right'. Hence why I spoke about evidence and credibility.
My point is that personal belief and what we teach in schools is something completely different. In schools we should teach our children what they need to learn to function in society. Creationism has no place in public schools as it has no applicability in science or our understanding of it.
Personal belief however is a completely different thing. You can't try to force something on someone because you believe that is what they should believe too. That goes both ways.
They teach atheism or mock religion in school classrooms?
I'm not watching an hour and 17 min video. I can barely get through the 2-3min ones, lol.
I know it's long, but Sam Harris so delightfully eloquent, composed, and magnetic that it's worth it. He and Dawkins take difficult to understand concepts and lay them out in ways that people can just understand (though not as well as Neil deGrasse Tyson, no one can beat him).
I don't really know who any of those people are, until recently Dawkins..
I like that neat little video Stephen Hawking made about how god is not necessary to create the universe.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is like the modern day Bill Nye, I guess. Astrophysicist, head of the Hayden Planetarium, has a funny mustache and explains things really well. Also wears cool hats.
Richard Dawkins is a world famous evolutionary biologist and author, famous for being one of the leading voices in 'new atheism', being known as one of the four horsemen of atheism for his active role in the atheist community.
Sam Harris is a renowned neuroscientist and head of Project Reason. He is very outspoken in showing that science can determine morals and is also a voice in new-atheism. He is also known as one of the four horsemen of atheism.
Other prominent figures at the moment include:
Christopher Hitchens (Hitch), who passed away a few weeks ago. Another horsemen of atheism, he was a professional journalist and the most vocal anti-theist of new atheism. Even throughout his deteriorating health due to esophageal cancer he remained a prominent anti-theist and debated ferociously about the evils of religion. One of his most widely spread quotations is "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence", which is colloquially being seen more and more as "Hitchen's Razor".
Daniel Dennet, I do not know as much about, is the final horsemen of atheism and is focused on the philosophy of mind and science.
Other famous and outspoken figures in the atheist community are Penn Jillette and P.Z. Meyers.
Why does this thread title have Christians in it. Anyone who pulls anyone, gay or straight, from a wheelchair is not a Christian.
And for Jessica Ahlquist. I went to school at Cranston West and we had many, many non-believing students back then who never once were bothered or even realized there was a prayer in the auditorium. So why is it a big deal now? Because some teen tot (and I can say this since I know her personally through my brother) thinks she is going to make a name for herself and be recognized as this great conqueror. Take the banner down for all I care, I don't think I, as a Christian, ever read it, but don't act like this isn't just some big public media display for a headline and some recognition and probably a nice college essay.
others can do what they like but i will say that this total war on any sort of a show of faith by the media and the atheists is pissing me off. you don't believe fine, but don't intrude on my RIGHT to pray if i choose to. i won't try to make you pray so leave me alone if i choose to pray.
that's why i enjoyed seeing tebow succeed (course that didn't work out so well for him yesterday). there's nothing the atheist groups can do about him doing it.
can anyone explain to me why it pisses people who don't believe off so much if others do believe?
The reason atheists dislike theist so much is because they are always pushing some belief or condoning and demonizing others because of something. Also on the note about how media is biased against religion is incorrect, or at least when it pertains to United states since all the big news networks love to endorse religion and talk down to those who disbelieve(go ahead and youtube bill from fox and any debate he has had with Richard Dawkins). Another problem atheist have with theist is the way they try to reason why religion is needed for morality and for all things practical atheists hate it when our taxes are used to fund beliefs in schools or else where.
I'll agree that there are theists that try to push their beliefs on others but I'd have to say (and this is mostly from my experience on these boards) that Atheists do the same. There isn't a religious thread on these boards that doesn't have someone talking about how religion is destroying and they should do away with it and how terrible it is.
Okay, one side tries to reason that theology is needed for those things and the other tries to reason it does not. and?
As for tax dollars funding beliefs in schools... I don't know where you are from but here in Illinois religion and the like is not allowed in public schools. I think the only issue we have had is that god is mentioned in the pledge of allegiance. I love how most days public school teachers (at least in the city) are decried for not being wonderful teachers and the next they are teaching theology in schools. I'm not particularly sure where the tax dollars are funding theological beliefs elsewhere as you say.
Yes, atheist do try to convince others that religion is wrong, but their argument is one based upon scientific facts that can be observed and recorded as oppose to using the writings of barbarians 2000 years ago. In order to not try and reinvent the wheel sort of speak, watch this video.
As far as money being used to support beliefs look at the debate on teaching creationism or evolution in public schools.
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others? Personally I say they teach evolution in class rooms. If people want creationism to be taught to their children they can enroll them in a class outside of school that offers it. That's what they do here at least. Kids from public school would attend C.C.D. and stuff like that wasn't taught in public schools. Where else do these funds go to that supports theological beliefs?
No atheist is forcing anything on others until it becomes an issue of lawmaking and most importantly the handling of money. Also to one way theological beliefs are being pushed through taxes is by marriage and the benefits it receives in the US where gay marriage is banned in many states due to religious reasons. As for proof that married couples receive benefits here ya go.
Married people do receive benefits. Not all married people are theists though. This practice does not discriminate against atheists. Also, not everyone LGBT community are atheists. So in fact it does not include people that are both theist and atheist. Would that not be equally leaving out and including both theists and atheists? Personally I don't understand why they just don't let it happen now. It's going to happen eventually and there's no real reason to keep it up. I can't really agree with your argument that it goes to support a theological belief though. Discrimination against gays, sadly enough that the discrimination exists, is not solely theological.
My point is that personal belief and what we teach in schools is something completely different. In schools we should teach our children what they need to learn to function in society. Creationism has no place in public schools as it has no applicability in science or our understanding of it.
Personal belief however is a completely different thing. You can't try to force something on someone because you believe that is what they should believe too. That goes both ways.
Then I apologize for entirely missing your point. I understand now, thank you.
Just to make sure things stay peaceful here, I offer my christmas chocobo. He is wearing a santa hat which shows he's got the holiday spirit, but he is also..a *** chocobo.
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others? Personally I say they teach evolution in class rooms. If people want creationism to be taught to their children they can enroll them in a class outside of school that offers it. That's what they do here at least. Kids from public school would attend C.C.D. and stuff like that wasn't taught in public schools. Where else do these funds go to that supports theological beliefs?
Evolution is scientifically credible, observable, replicable and proven to exist. The theory part, as I'm to understand, is how it happens and how it happened before, because we're still studying and it takes a long time for things to change.
Creationism has no scientific credibility outside of bible scholars.
Why the *** is there any question as to if that crock of ***should be taught in a science classroom?
Did you even read my post? past the first line that is.
I should have only quoted this line, to be fair:
Quote:
Oh I see... Since you deem your argument to be the right one then it is okay to force that on others?
It seemed like you were saying that because he deemed evolution the right one that he was forcing it on others. Not gonna lie, your post is confusing me a bit. I read that as you agreeing that evolution is right, but that we can't just say 'this is right'. Hence why I spoke about evidence and credibility.
My point is that personal belief and what we teach in schools is something completely different. In schools we should teach our children what they need to learn to function in society. Creationism has no place in public schools as it has no applicability in science or our understanding of it.
Personal belief however is a completely different thing. You can't try to force something on someone because you believe that is what they should believe too. That goes both ways.
They teach atheism or mock religion in school classrooms?
I wouldn't consider teaching evolution as teaching atheism. I would consider it a part of a science class.
Personal belief resides outside of classes. Theist or atheistic beliefs should be left at the door when you walk into school and the focus should be on education to better society.
I have, but I don't appreciate the insinuation that the entire South functions the same way as little, po-dunk towns.
I find it humorous that you flame up when people insult the South in the same conversation where we explain that atheists face issues. It's the same damn thing, and you often criticize atheists for voicing the same damn thing you just did.
Yeah...Not really upset, but whatever. I think I've already said I believe in a walking, talking Three Musketeers bar that shits smoked salmon in another thread. I put my faith in that every month. :)
Night, all!
I've never seen you so close minded before... :\
Sorry. Tired, but I can't sleep. A little on the anxious side about this week. Meh...*** it!
Could be worse. This could be my philosophy...
EDIT: Haven't thought about this episode in a while. I forgot how much I liked it.
Why does this thread title have Christians in it. Anyone who pulls anyone, gay or straight, from a wheelchair is not a Christian.
And for Jessica Ahlquist. I went to school at Cranston West and we had many, many non-believing students back then who never once were bothered or even realized there was a prayer in the auditorium. So why is it a big deal now?Because some teen tot (and I can say this since I know her personally through my brother) thinks she is going to make a name for herself and be recognized as this great conqueror.Take the banner down for all I care, I don't think I, as a Christian, ever read it, but don't act like this isn't just some big public media display for a headline and some recognition and probably a nice college essay.
Oh no you *** don't, that's a HUGE No True Scotsman.
Because it's a violation of the Constitution. How the *** is that not a big deal? You don't get it, do you? A public school is for the people. ALL THE PEOPLE. Not just your privileged, Christian ***.
You don't understand what was going on, that right there shows it. And as a Christian, I bet your brother is also a Christian and is one of those people threatening her at the moment. No wonder you're calling her a teen tot. Go look at one of her speeches, or her writing, and see that you are not dealing with some teenage tot.
The first plea was to take the religious components out. The school board refused. Take that for what it's worth.
