[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades

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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-13 12:51:38
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Sylph.Sukasaroth said: »
I'm pretty stoked for my Amanomurakumo. So many people told me to just get a Masamune but I didn't and held out. Going to pay off in the end for me.


Assuming no boost to Fudo at 99 and 30% ODD for both. 99 Amano should beat everything but Masamune 99.

As capped att Kaiten will be SAMs best WS, uncapped will still be Shoha.
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By Ragnarok.Kongming 2012-01-13 12:57:27
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Cerberus.Cahlum said: »
well I always said bahamut/meteor on claustrum, weakna on mjollnir and massacre elegy on horn would make the staff useful atleast xD
Novelties at best. You don't expect meteor to be actually useful do you?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-13 13:16:29
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Relics and Mythics are definitely getting a nice boost here, and a lv 99 mythic or relic (mythics being ahead ofc) will be the top dogs once again relatively undisputed. Empyreans, I must say, really don't look to be worth the hassle of upgrading if the stats listed there are the absolute result of the 95 and 99 trials... even with that afterglow, given the probable difficulty in upgrading them and the fact that it's likely a sphere and thus doesn't work on yourself.
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By Phoenix.Missescakes 2012-01-13 13:22:02
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saddness for Brd ; ;and SE fix ur typo demmit also ... massacre elegy wru ; ; ?
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By Sylph.Yajirobe 2012-01-13 13:27:44
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Here's something fun.

Kenkonken 99 looks like you're a haxor.


Kenfaustken!
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2012-01-13 13:28:44
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I was laughing pretty hard at that when I saw it on the test server. XP
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By Sylph.Yajirobe 2012-01-13 13:32:38
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It's funny, I have to use Plastic Surgeon to notice it out of combat ; ;
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By Fenrir.Loraley 2012-01-13 13:45:44
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Phoenix.Missescakes said: »
saddness for Brd ; ;and SE fix ur typo demmit also ... massacre elegy wru ; ; ?

This. I don't have a Gjallarhorn, but I was still hoping it would get something awesome. :( In the meantime, I'll continue collecting a bajillion plates in hopes of eventually getting 4 songs on my harp...
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2012-01-13 13:47:39
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Well, relic afterglow is next to worthless, so I'll probably just go for 99 Spharai and keep them stage 1.
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By Asura.Echandra 2012-01-13 13:54:46
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Since SE has decimated the need for a larger shell with all this lowman push, it's going to be interesting where we go from here. Releasing this, should be the norm: tons of people get drawn in at living the dream, get sucked in, and maybe shouting for a PuG in port jeuno we'll see people get this done? I see 99 relics stage 1 being the stopping point just like most stop at 90 empyrean.


"Afterglow" When I saw that all I could think of was:
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By Creecreelo 2012-01-13 13:59:12
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I do wonder if SE actually will implement Massacre Elegy for Brd; they highly alluded to it a while ago.

Considering Gjallarhorn/Daurdabla don't get Afterglows... I wonder what the point of completing a Stage 2 trial (if they even get them?) would be. I fear though Gjallarhorn's Stage 2 upgrade will possibly give it Massacre Elegy. >.<

They did mention something at the end of the post about equipment specific mage spells, which could possibly include Massacre Elegy, but Idk. x.x

If anything, Massacre Elegy will probably end up being a part of Brd's second 2hr or w/e. X.X

Afterglow doesn't stack with other Aftermath effects, right? If so, then wow... lol
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-13 14:58:10
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Fixed:


Empyrean Weapons

Trial No. Item Name DMG / Delay Attributes
3590 Daurdabla Rare Ex Singing skill +20 String instrument skill +20Increases song effect duration by 30%Grants two additional song effects
4452 Ochain Rare Ex DEF:40 VIT+25 Coverts 35% of damage taken to MP upon successful block
Afterglow (Reduces physical damage taken)
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-13 15:02:49
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The afterglow effects are pointless, their effort:reward ratio is around 10000000000000000000000000000:.0001, to put it into perspective, Mythic afterglow is +15 attack.

My advice to all: Forget about afterglow.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-01-13 15:03:28
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Ouch.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-13 15:05:20
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
The afterglow effects are pointless, their effort:reward ratio is around 10000000000000000000000000000:.0001, to put it into perspective, Mythic afterglow is +15 attack.

My advice to all: Forget about afterglow.
It's only 15 attack? >.>
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-01-13 15:06:24
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I think it's best we stop complaining about the afterglow versions before they gimp the normal 99s and put some of those stats on the afterglow trials. :(
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-01-13 15:08:05
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Sylph.Sukasaroth said: »
I'm pretty stoked for my Amanomurakumo. So many people told me to just get a Masamune but I didn't and held out. Going to pay off in the end for me.


Assuming no boost to Fudo at 99 and 30% ODD for both. 99 Amano should beat everything but Masamune 99.

As capped att Kaiten will be SAMs best WS, uncapped will still be Shoha.
How do you figure 99 Masamune to be ahead of 99 Amano?
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By Lakshmi.Odude 2012-01-13 15:58:03
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Amano and Masamune Lv.99 will have the same base DMG? Meanwhile the Kogarasumaru gets slapped with DMG:128? I wonder if that's another typo.


Great Katanas

Trial No. Item Name DMG / Delay Attributes
3578 Amanomurakumo Rare Ex
DMG:132
Delay:437
Accuracy+40 "Tachi: Kaiten"(+40%) Additional effect: Weakens attacks
Increased chance of dealing extra damage
Afterglow (Increases Accuracy and Ranged Accuracy)
3419 Masamune Rare Ex
DMG:132
Delay:437
STR+20 "Tachi: Fudo"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
Afterglow (Increases critical hit rate)


I'm curious why Taint thinks Masamune Lv.99 would out perform Amano Lv.99 as well.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-01-13 15:59:10
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I think he may have typoed and meant Kogarasumaru and riding Lvl3 aftermath shoha spam.
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By Sylph.Sukasaroth 2012-01-13 16:03:53
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Even though. I still wont get a Masamune. I guess I just don't really like it that much.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-13 16:09:50
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Lakshmi.Odude said: »
Amano and Masamune Lv.99 will have the same base DMG? Meanwhile the Kogarasumaru gets slapped with DMG:128? I wonder if that's another typo. Great Katanas
Trial No. Item Name DMG / Delay Attributes
3578 Amanomurakumo Rare Ex DMG:132 Delay:437 Accuracy+40 "Tachi: Kaiten"(+40%) Additional effect: Weakens attacks Increased chance of dealing extra damage Afterglow (Increases Accuracy and Ranged Accuracy)
3419 Masamune Rare Ex DMG:132 Delay:437 STR+20 "Tachi: Fudo" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage Afterglow (Increases critical hit rate)
I'm curious why Taint thinks Masamune Lv.99 would out perform Amano Lv.99 as well.



I altered the DPS calculator for the 99 verions. Put ODD at 30% for each. Amano is 2.5 damage at 15% for 95 but it should put them close.

Same base damage, Masamune has +20str(15att), Amano has 40acc. Kaiten with 40% damage boost beats Fudo with capped Attack but Fudo caps attack earlier. (obviously) fSTR and WSC favor Masamune as well.

Against high Def mobs Shoha is beating both Fudo and Kaiten and Masamune has a clear Shoha damage advantage.

Its a great move for Amano IMO and 99 Amano will be better then 90 Masamune where most people will be stuck, its also better then 95 Masamune.

Mythic would smash them both btw
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-01-13 16:18:06
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By Lakshmi.Odude 2012-01-13 16:21:31
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Is there a Google Docs friendly version of the Damage Calc? Or is there a new version I've not been using? Won't actually do any of the calculations for me.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2012-01-13 16:22:02
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One must first obtain Daurdabla.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2012-01-13 16:26:27
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Against high Def mobs Shoha is beating both Fudo and Kaiten and Masamune has a clear Shoha damage advantage.

Have to keep in mind that it becomes 30% odd vs 0% in this scenario
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-01-13 16:27:14
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Accuracy may be relevant in these situations as well, which would tip things towards amano.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2012-01-13 16:30:41
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Amano may be easier to obtain as well, if only the stage 2 are ridiculous to do,

Amano would be a straight trip to the 99 and lol @ acc sphere afterglow, so wouldn't have to worry about it anymore after that and could avoid the metal plate stage of the 95 emp
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-13 16:34:59
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Amano may be easier to obtain as well, if only the stage 2 are ridiculous to do, Amano would be a straight trip to the 99 and lol @ acc sphere afterglow, so wouldn't have to worry about it anymore after that and could avoid the metal plate stage of the 95 emp
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Against high Def mobs Shoha is beating both Fudo and Kaiten and Masamune has a clear Shoha damage advantage.
Have to keep in mind that it becomes 30% odd vs 0% in this scenario


Not going to argue into the unknown but there is little reason not to keep AM up on SAM, TP is very easy to come by and Masamune can reach 50% ODD as well.

ACC shouldn't be a huge concern on SAM, easy to work with gear sets, it can use WAR sub, has 60%+ Zanshin and doesn't lose a lot from Shoha if you had to swap foods for ACC.

Although it is ofcourse a situational factor the STR/att from Masamune is always a factor.

Amano should be much easier to get to 99, I'm strongly considering selling all my plates for one.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-01-13 16:38:47
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Worth losing out on 3 shoha in a low pdif situation though? ***'s situational obviously, but I don't really see masamune having any advantage besides starting a fight with 300 TP. How would TP bonus compare to all this? Since you are comparing situations that shoha will beat out kaiten.
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