Lv.99 MNK TP Set

TP


Shijin


Victory Smite - Tantra Body when impetus is up


Chakra

Why aren't you TPing in Rajas Ring?

If I had to guess: Buyer's remorse

Wearing on in his profile at least.

it's true that Spharai 99 is better than vereng?
just saw someone comment about it saying that

Assuming 440 hand-to-hand skill and 366 delay, with at least two attacks per round (guaranteed), DPS math for these would seem to be:
60/366*(3+floor(440*.11)+52) = ~16.88 per fist, or ~33.76 DPS total.

no

What Austar said.

The math can get close with impetus down, but smite wins with impetus up by far.

Well, not quite. With top-end gear like Toci's Harness for Shijin Spiral, Spharai ties with Vere while Impetus is up if you can make use of the attack difference. It has a small edge with Impetus down.

This is complicated by two factors: How easy it is to maintain aftermath (eg: running between mobs; this negatively impacts Vere), and how easy it is to cap attack (eg: Berserk+Stalwart's+Chaos in VW; this negatively impacts Spharai). Both of those factors can fluctuate a great deal.

Overall, the best you could really say is that the two weapons could be considered roughly on par with each other, but that one or the other may have an edge depending on the situation or content.

I was saying no to his dps formula.

I'm using your spreadsheet Motenten and I'm assuming sets similar to ones posted (including toci's set), but still have Vere 90 ahead with impetus up. I'm assuming using Spharai 99 using Shijin, which is only close if you leave the ODD Rate field left in (which might be it?).

Otherwise I'm overlooking something.

edit:
Ok I noticed I forgot to add toci's 3% set bonus for ws too, but playing with all the gear, best I could come up with is (assuming /WAR, Red Curry Bun, Berserk, Impetus, Haste):


Of course I need to mess with this for higher tier mobs. Very quickly using the same sets and adding atmacites for Pil/Qilin though, looking like same pattern.

you play with terrible people etc

This^

We've still learned nothing.

Since the original question was:


I actually assumed both 99 Spharai and 99 Vere.


With those buffs, even without Dia, Vere will be hitting capped attack on Dynamis mobs. I did specify "as long as you can make use of the difference in attack". And you generally wouldn't be going /war to Dynamis anyway. Switch subjob to /dnc (which will remove Berserk from the equation), and Spharai easily pulls ahead of the 90 Vere, and is slightly behind 99 Vere with Impetus up, slightly ahead with Impetus down:

With Impetus:
Spharai: 279.557
Vere 99: 289.759
Vere 90: 270.169

Without Impetus:
Spharai: 255.138
Vere 99: 248.951
Vere 90: 231.954

Overall average still favors Vere99 a bit in this case (1.35% ahead), but that's before factoring in any loss of aftermath. 80% aftermath uptime (which will be negatively affected not only by time between mobs, but by TP spent on steps) leads to Vere99 and Spharai99 being tied. A great deal of the difference there could also be made up by the +counter on Spharai, where an extra 0.5% to 1.0% would be fairly easy from the +13 counter rate on them.

Change mob to Pil, return to /war, and add Stalwart's (also changed gear a bit, so slightly different base):

With Impetus:
Spharai: 224.398
Vere 99: 240.765
Vere 90: 223.526

Without Impetus (and Berserk down as well, assuming kept in sync):
Spharai: 172.072
Vere 99: 171.025
Vere 90: 158.469


In this case we're again bumping against the attack cap with Spharai, limiting it, while at the same time the crits of Smite are worth a lot more due to high level correction. So here we have several factors favoring Vere, but Spharai 99 still easily beats Vere 90, while Vere 99 wins over Spharai.

lol

I heard you can counter mobs that aren't looking at you or via AoE attacks.

I also heard critws don't perform better on high level mobs

Prove it and show your work, or leave.

That's already accounted for (at least for my comparison; Irika might have forgotten on his). 12% triple damage is entered as 24% ODD, which is mathematically the same thing.

Something very wrong with your Vere mnk then.

Solid proof you got there.

If you care enough about mnk and are not fighting extreme def mobs that need a crit ws to boost pdif, Spharai impetus down, Vere impetus up. Done.

Unfortunately, math is how this game works.